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Re: kieyah's program page October 12 2007, 6:28 PM
magnets and massager arrived today. will be adding that to my routine. I don't plan to do the tenctures. I am already doing a boobie batter at night.
Found my original tape measure and confirmed my measurements. actually at 38" bust right now but will wait for official measure in on cycle day 5.
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Re: kieyah's program page October 18 2007, 11:00 PM
After about a week, I am not really using the massager. After a while it gets irritating to my sensitive skin. I am still doing "some" massaging on my own (very lazily)
But I have found a way to use the magnets everyday. I knew using the NBA method would be too time consuming (5 times a day). So I didn't even try that. Instead I am taking the growth technique and just using that all by itself. I have attached the magnets to a sports bra and now just leave them there and I wear this at night while sleeping. If I happen to be home without the kids for a while and not on the pc, then I use it for a bit during the day too. Otherwise that is it. Becaue they are really too strong of magnets to just leave in a bra all day if you go out. Stuff literally gets grabbed by the magnets and sticks to them. That would be hard to explain! They can also damage electronic devices so have to stay away. The nba method mentions you should also avoid other people while wearing them.
I already notice quite a difference. Not sure if it is growth so much as shape. They are higher and closer together. I can tell they have grown a bit which normally I don't really notice. But now I can see growth near the cleavage line (between the breasts) all the way from top to bottom. I don't seem to be growing in the outter breasts so much. And my right is now overtaking the left again. My right has always bit slightly bigger. But with herbs alone the left was growing faster. This method with the magnets is convenient and seems to be working so I intend to continue this way. I do plan to put cvs magnets on some other location be cause I notice I feel short of breath at first when putting them on. I have ordered more magnets and may experiment with using more near the outter breasts to see if that gives them a boost. I have really narrow boned and narrow breasts(close together). I don't need more there! I will probably concentrate my massage more there too.
To anyone else considering magnets- do not use the nail polish method mentioned to mark them! They get stuck together and then the paint ends up coming off eventually. I just used a knife or scissor and scratched an "N" on the negative side. This helps me to remember and it doesn't come off.
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Re: kieyah's program page October 23 2007, 1:20 AM
I have been taking a break from herbs for about a week. I have had bad pms and so decided to let myself cycle. I will update measurements and pics on cycle day 5 later this week. I can really see a difference though! can't wait to compare pics!
still doing these things during my break:
skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.
still massaging with evoo, sp, wy, fg at night when I remember. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.
wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and just added another set to outter breasts (straight across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep.
slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again
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Re: kieyah's program page October 25 2007, 9:53 PM
It's time to measure in. I was having really bad PMS so decided to let myself cycle and this is cycle day 5. I have sent in updated pics which should be posted soon. I have been taking a break from herbs and will start back up today.
Here is last month's measurements for comparison:
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")
This month's measurements:
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28 (down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (down 1/4")
looks like my fat is shifting upwards
so far!
ok well the pics aren't as obvious as I had hoped, but I did lose some volume with AF. And haven't gained much which is to be expected since I am taking a break form herbs. But I can definately tell they are higher and fuller toward the center cleavage line. So basically up and closer together at least that is how it looks to me. I know they are not closer together but they are only filling out in the center (inner breast). My nipples are super ITCHY today! Wonder if I could be allergic to nickle plating of the magnets? Probably not because the sides where I put the other magnets are not itchy (at least not yet). I am also leaking a slight clear fluid not from the nipple where I'd be leaking if I where lactating but right beside the right nipple. You can kind of see in my pic that the right nipple (left in photo) has a red area well that is leaking if I squeeze it. Not sure if it is a pimple or what. But otherwise If I squeeze the actual nipple, no leaking there. so could be a pimple from the evoo. I am also getting enlarged pores around my areolas. I did that when I was pregnant and breastfeeding, so wonder if this means I will start to lactate soon? gosh I hope not but I will be monitoring this.
starting yasmin today
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (sometimes...I often skip this now)
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 1000mg total)
2 Licorice root about 1000mg total
2 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
I feel pretty good about these doses now. except for one thing. not sure what it is yet.
skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.
going to give boobie batter a rest for now. Maybe this will stop the chest pimples. I will continue to use it occationally before a shower so that the oil won't all soak in. evoo, sp, wy, fg. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.
wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and another set to outter breasts (across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep attached to a sports bra.
slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again
I am adding another sports bra under the one that has the magnets. This will protect my skin from touching the actual magnets in case I am allergic to the nickle plating.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 1 2007, 3:29 AM
the nipple pimple is gone. Over the past week I stopped using the boobie batter and also wore a sports bra inside the sports bra with the magnets on it just in case I have an allergy to the nickle plating on the magnets. my skin has cleared and the nipple itchies have stopped so for now I will continue using two sports bras. these bras are quite loose so I don't see any problem in using two.
I just measured myself, and normally at this point in my cycle any losses would have been regained plus a little. but not only have I not regained it, looks like I lost a bit more. I don't know if this may have anything to do with the fact that they seem to be shifting upwards or if it is from the break from herbs. I do think the left looks a bit smaller.
Adding to routine: progesterone cream once a day, hops 500mg, goat's rue 500mg, and I may add back in the boobie mask. I will also remove the added magnets on the outter sides since so far no progress from this. Maybe it was too much?
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5 htp, timings November 13 2007, 10:44 AM
Hi Kieyah,
first of all, apologies for posting on your page, I hope you don't mind, please say if you do! But I thought it a good wasy of getting in touch.
Thanks for replying aout 5htp. I was wondering about it anyay because I seem prone to becoming more low in winter, which is tough on everyone - like permanent pmt. But now I see that the timing of programmes may be important for success i am wondering if it would help with that too. Have you checked out that thread? If not please do and let me know what you think. It's depressing in itself to think I might have started my programme at entirely the wrong time of year to have any effect but I hope the 5htp might counteract the lack of serotonin. By the way I haven't noticed fat going on in winter before (at least, no more than can be explained by eating more puddings!) so I hope this might work to my benefit. I'd really apreciate hearing your take on this. By the way your boobs look really good. But them I'd be happy to look like your starting picture! Like you I breasfed (2 kids, one year each) but I'm older than you (36). My kids are 6 and 8 now.
Thanks for any advice. You know how it is when you are new and desperate for boobs!!
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:17 PM
I don't mind posting here at all. I think it is great that we can all ask questions and compare notes.
I have been doing some form of nbe for a long time if you count bb machine, is about a year and a half. but if you mean when did I start routinely taking herbs was in early July. On the 5HTP my bottle said to only take one a day, they are 100mg, but you can safely take up to 400mg daily. I needed 200mg daily. just wanted to let you know you can take more if needed. give it 2 weeks and if you don't notice improvement try taking one more.
I'm not sure if timing has much to do with mine. I started herbs in the summer with fenugreek and sp and gained in my tummy, hips, thighs. cut out sp and that helped but whe i switched off fg to fennel seems to be much better now. so for me as far as gaining on the lower half I actually gained more there during the summer months and am losing there now even though I don't exercise and havent' lost any pounds. So I know something must be making my fat shift. no sure if credit is from switching to fennel, taking various stress reducing herbs or if skin brushing has anything to do with it. I do feel strongly that skin brushing has at least some to do with it, because since I stopped doing it the past two weeks some of my hip fat has come back. I have neither gained nore lost any weight. I am starting to take pictures of this area (though I'm not posting them) just so I can compare and be sure it is not just all in my head.
Another thing I must mention is that I started out with large breasts when I was young, each child I breastfed sucked more and more fat out of my boobs until they were half their original size. so that may have a lot to do with why I respond so quickly to everything I try, because they have already been much larger than they are now. Maybe that makes them more sensitive. What I am trying to say is that my results are probably not typical of the average person.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:51 PM
ran out of 5HTP, gonna see how I do without it. Still taking st johns wort. also out of melatonin, will look into getting more. added progesterone cream (wild yam)and 2 pumpkin seed oil a day (2000mg total daily), seeing some improvement in acne but have been forgetting my herbs a lot this past week.
moving magnets more toward the outer half of nipples (half on/half off) in hopes of stimulating growth more toward the outter side. don't need any more inner boobs! they are so full on the inner half and yet not rounded on the outside, kinda strange. also occationally wearing magnets in my bra during the day. I found that if I use a contoured molded cup bra the magnets are not attracted to metals around me unless I actually touch to it. I think i will experiment with this for a week and see if any change or if it makes me stall. still don't do anything but positive polarities all night/day.
Note to self: Really, really got to quit caffeine! Come on, you can do it! You've done it before, you don't need that stuff. it's affecting your herbs absorption. Just stop already! Very bad stuff. And water, water, water...good stuff, drink water NOT sodas! You know you should, just do it
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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 3:01 AM
I have been pretty lazy and haven't been taking my herbs regularly in quite a long while. I am restarting my program today. Upping some of my dosages in hopes of prompting more growth after my loss from the wrong polarities with the magnets. After today's measurements I see that I actually gained back what I had lost! even though I haven't been taking my herbs. The magnet therapy must be kicking in now.
AM
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
2 fennel seed 1000mg total
1 st. johns wort
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 fenugreek 500mg
1 green tea about 350mg
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)
PM
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (going to really try to stick with this now)
3-5 Papaya Enzyme (running low on these)
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 hops 500mg
1 melatonin
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)
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This month's measurements:
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.6 (very slight increase)
waist = 28 (same
fattest part around hips = 35 (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (same)
still haven't given up caffeine...yet
(edited to take out some of the ======='s, can't stand how it widens the screen driving me crazy!)
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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 4:18 AM
also taking 1 red clover daily
also need to add i just started drinking soymilk again, gonna be diligent on the gelatin. but still not drinking enough water, still not massaging, still not doing boobie batter, no heating pad, very little protein intake, don't use massager anymore, no skin brushing.....I've been bad!
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Re: kieyah's program page December 2 2007, 6:22 PM
been taking a few days break from the magnets, still taking my herbs daily so not missing that anymore. still getting aches. left is getting bigger than right again (when I'm not doing any nbe my right has always been bigger).
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Re: kieyah's program page December 7 2007, 2:01 PM
I am increasing my dose of fg, fennel, hops, and gr each to about 1500mg total daily (similar to wu's dose).
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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2007, 4:27 AM
This month's measurements:
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36
fattest part around thigh = 23
Woohoo! I finally hit the even 38". total gained since starting herbs: 3 inches
I am noticing another change in shape. they are starting to fill out at top and bottom of nipple. which makes them appear shorter or smaller from the side but actually they are fuller up top and slightly on bottoms. I think they look a bit less close together too. Will probably be able to tell more when there is more growth to see. this month only quarter inch growth. not noticing any more inner growth so I must have been right about it being from wearing the magnets at night. I have not been wearing magnets at night at all anymore, and only wear them during the day a few days a week. I have been really bad about not taking my herbs everyday too. really bad on the caffeine past few weeks.
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Great Progress! December 29 2007, 3:07 PM
It's me again, I haven't been to the web site in a while. I took 2 months of PM and saw no gain so I am back to herbs. I am taking about 3000 each of hops, fennel and FG daily and I am seeing some growth again so obviously that is what works for me. I am looking to fill in the tops as you are doing, and raise these girls back up some. I can see your progress and I have hope I can do the same. I know it is going to take time. I just HATE swallowing SO many pills 3 times a day!
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Forgot to say December 30 2007, 2:57 PM
I have noticed a huge difference also in my lips since taking the Max Life Collagen. WOW a difference I can see and feel. I am very excited about it. I sent a family photo to a family member this Christmas and I have not seen her in years, she told me "you never age" That felt great....................I think all the vitamins, herbs and supplements could be paying off in not just NBE. Are you still taking the collagen? I really like the Max Life from Twin Labs.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 30 2007, 8:01 PM
oh, I have been just terrible about not taking all those pills every day. Mostly I forget, sometimes I just don't have time, and other times I have a sore throat from the cold winter air. I have increased my doses but it is still very low dose so I think I am going to try taking all of them at night. I usually remember at night but often in the morning when i'm trying to get ready and out the door I just don't take the time to do it. I have also not been wearing the magnets every day. I will be really surprized if i have any more growth this month.
Another thing i might try emptying all the capsules into the gelatin drink and gulp it all down real fast. i still hate the taste of the gelatin so I usually gulp it down fast anyway. Eve did not use capsules so I don't see why it would make a difference in results. it just probably taste horrible. but that would give me another option when I don't feel like choking down so many pills.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 2:20 AM
I forgot to answer your collagen question. I do still have them in my pills to take at night but honestly I haven't been taking them in several weeks. The past few months have a pattern of 1-2 weeks a month of really taking my herbs on time, followed by 2-3 weeks of nothing. I am so bad! I am going to try for a week or two to take everyting at night (all herbs/pills once a day including collagen). and if I can't even keep up with that I will try just the magnets all by themselves again and give herbs another break.
Have you tried magnets? I think the reason i am filling out up top so much lately is from them. If I end up quitting herbs for a while I may find out. and I really think the collagen and gelatin makes me retain more of my growth so that i don't lose most of it when my period comes.
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Re: Kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 3:02 AM
Sounds like going from the frying pan into the fire...when you get tired of taking so many pills ...just go to drinking down some awful tasting concoction! haha The Knox Nutrajoint doesn't have any taste...at least not supposed to and I don't taste anything when I put it in my coffee.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 12:53 PM
Where do you get the magnets from? I don't know much about them.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 2 2008, 3:59 AM
here are the ones I use: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DA2
They are really cheap, but if you aready have some strong magnets you might want to try those first. Another girl used some she had that were for crafts and they seem to be working for her.
hahaa mango! yeah maybe the taste will be so horrible I will be glad to go back to choking down the pills! I have never tried the nutrajoint. I may have to try it. too bad I bought about a 6 month supply of the knox for nails. it is orange flavored. i just hate the sugar free sweeteners. I hate the taste of diet sodas too. yuck! but that's just me. I have been seeing on ebay some gelatin powder from NOW that is tasteless. Maybe it is like the nutrajoint.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2008, 4:46 AM
ok so for the past two days I have managed to make myself choke down all the pills at night. i think this is easier for me than spreading it out 2-3 times a day.
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Dong quai root about 530mg
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 Valerian root
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2008, 1:58 PM
switching from jasmin to orthotricyclene. also since I tend to be really lazy about taking pills during end and beginning of cycle, I am going to try out taking 1-2 week breaks during this time (which is basically what I've been doing, just unintended until now) and see how that goes.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2008, 2:27 AM
today I start ortho and will do two week cycle of herbs all taken at the same time at night.
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg (to counteract the acne I get from herbs)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page January 16 2008, 3:18 AM
This month's measurements:
1/15/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36.5
fattest part around thigh = 23
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Re: kieyah's program page January 18 2008, 2:17 AM
Kieyah you may not have growth this month BUT those girls don't sag like they did in the first pics. They are fuller NO doubt about it. I have been at it for 5 months now and I do notice a difference in mine also. Much fuller and a lot less jiggle and sag. You have made a difference no doubt. I never cared if I grew or not, I wanted to get less sag and raise the girls back up. It seems to be working so far.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 9:17 PM
How is your routine going? Do you have a program page? Yeah, the shape has changed for sure. but I am going for growth more than that. So having no growth in a months time is a bit sad for me. though certainly not surprising since i have been getting really sick of taking so many pills and terrible about not taking them. I even slowed down the magnets to only 3 days a week. So it's no wonder. I'm considering taking a full break again and maybe try something else for a while. Taking all these pill is really getting hard for me. Lately I find myself gagging on them and they have come back up a few times, not fun
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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 10:50 PM
Hi Kieyah,
I really sympathise with the pill swallowing, I've always had trouble with pills and just can't do the big capsules at all. Have you thought about opening them? I've taken loose powdered herbs and although the smell when you open the jar is disgusting you take such a tiny dose that you can't taste it if you just mix it in your food or some yoghurt, porridge, cereal, custard etc. I also find it easier to swallow something nasty than a big tasteless capsule so just mixing the powder with some sugar and lemon juice in a teaspoon and swallowing is better than gulping down the pills. Hope you find something that suits you x
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Re: kieyah's program page January 20 2008, 3:26 AM
No I haven't tried that yet, thanks Louise. I do need to give that a try I guess before I give up. I was thinking a while back about maybe mixing the powder in with the gelatin drink mix, but thought it would be too disgusting. It is super sweet and orange flavored. I hate the taste though, but it might be easier to gulp down than a bunch of pills. I think I will give it a try tonight and see how it goes. Does the taste make you gag? my pills are 00 size too. Maybe that is why. They didn't use to bother me though.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 21 2008, 2:57 AM
well swallowing the powder didn't work for me. I think I'm gonna take a break from herbs for a while. For now I will continue the magnets alone.
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Re: kieyah's program page February 20 2008, 10:45 PM
Done with my break for now. I have ordered wonderup and it arrived today so gonna give that a try for a while. Less pills to choke down. Gonna try to continue with gelatin and collagen. I also still seem to be getting some breakouts lately even with no herbs in my body so I might try taking the pumpkin seed oil again if I can manage not to choke. For now gonna try this:
1 women's multivitamin
6 Wonder-up per day
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:35 AM
gonna just do 4 wonderup per day
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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:55 AM
I am officially 32DD/34D
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Re: kieyah's program page February 25 2008, 8:12 PM
32E rather, most 34D's are a bit small in the cup and I hang out a bit. Less on the E's I think these are more full-coverage. I don't like overhang.
Holey crap they are soooooo sore today!
forgot to put in pre-wu measurments
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
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Re: kieyah's program page February 29 2008, 3:41 AM
well for the past few days they have been so incredibly sore and swollen. but today they actually look bigger. looks like they are growing outwards now. whereas before (individual herbs) they were mostly filling in along the tops and before that was the center (clevage area). so not much difference in terms of inches. needless to say I am very pleased with the change.
also since I have gotten new bras I haven't been using the magnets. don't know if that made any difference or not. But I think I will continue without them for now as long as I continue to have progress without them. I have also added progesterone cream once a day during last 1-2 weeks of cycle(to help with pms). I started this while on my break. So wondering if that might have made me more sensitive to the wu and helped it to work better. also I am still on orthotri and no pumpkinseed.
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Break and Wonderup March 8 2008, 8:33 PM
Don't know if you knew but I took a break about the same time as you. It has been a month now. I lost quite a bit and the fullness I had is gone. I feel deflated. My husband is deflated also if you know what I mean, he keeps asking when I will start back. Wow MEN! I will be very anxious to see how the WU works for you. I would love to try it myself but I am in the US and do not know how to get it. I would love to be able to take less pills. Keep me posted!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 8 2008, 9:04 PM
Vortexhealth ship WU to US, lots of girls have used it - I think it takes about 1-2 weeks depending where you live.
Kieyah, thanks for your continued help x
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 3:43 AM
yes, I live in US and ordered through vortex. only took about a week. I think it is working for me a little already but time will tell. Tomorrow will be cycle day 5 so will measure in then. I don't think I've actually grown yet, just fullness but I can see it so I'm hopeful
I actually had quite a bit of swelling before my cycle this time around and it's been since I was teen since I've had that much cycle swelling (I was coming out of my new bras). not sure if that means anything but wanted to make note of it. I also don't seem to have much acne problem with WU (so far) like I did on individual herbs even though it clearly states on the bottle that WU contains fenugreek and I'm not taking pumpkinseed oil or any androgen blockers. I wonder if WU contains any androgen blockers? of course it could just be too early to tell...
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 1:22 PM
I also responded well herbs so hopefully if you do with WU I would also. I was taking a HANDful of herbs 3 times a day. It was hard to do. I need to start back on something soon, but I want to take Milk Thistle for a liver cleanse first. Thanks so much for letting me know I can order from the US. Did you just use a credit card and what is the cost?
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 8:57 PM
I paid with cc. they take paypal, international money orders, & credit cards. These are definatly easier to take than a whole handful of herbs at a time. I was so sick of doing that. These are just two pills three times a day. I have only been taking twice a day. If that gives me any results I will stick with that to make the bottle last longer. I did not order the cream but if you do please let me know how it works for you.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 9:29 PM
This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.25"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
I only just started WU about 2 weeks ago. so will be very curious to see how it goes after a full month. I had some wonderful cycle swelling this month just like when i was a teen. Wonder if that means anything and if this is due to the WU, progesterone cream, the ortho-tri, or even a combo of all of these. But I think it might mean I've finally hit the right hormone level for me since this is how my boobs acted in my teens. I will try to stick with this routine. Now that I'm not doing individual herbs maybe i won't be so tempted to wonder off and try new things. It is so easy to just pop two pills morning and night and that's it. no queeziness or gagging so far. I can do this!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 10:15 PM
Kieyah - are you taking combined BCP + progesterone cream?
I never have had any cycle swelling (apart from my usual small waist disappearing!) and don't think I had swelling or soreness when I was developing but I was so early I can't really remember. Would you say you get a whole cup more?
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Re: kieyah's program page March 10 2008, 3:08 AM
I'd say about half a cup cycle swelling. I don't usually get any noticable cycle swelling in the boobs, not since my teens. This time my bras were super tight. I am hoping this is a good sign. I am taking ortho-tri cyclene (not the low dose one). this is the bcp that I took back in my teens when my boobs went from C to overflowing D, so thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to that again. and since my pms had gotten bad (not related to the pill) I started using NOW brand progesterone cream during that last week of my cycle when I start feeling very irritated and also during my period. at least during the days that are bad and I remember to use it. I started doing this during my break but even before my break I was trying to get used to using it, just not very routinely. So it might have had time to start helping.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 12 2008, 4:46 PM
Hi Kieyah - Since you said you are okay with people commenting here, I thought I'd ask you a question if you don't mind. I haven't been on here in a looong time because I am balancing my estrogen dominance with progesterone. Your pictures are really impressive, and I noticed you had stretch marks in your earlier photos. Do you think they just improved because you filled out with NBE? I was just wondering if you attribute their improvement to anything else. You cannot see them at all in your newer pics. My stretch marks were most likely caused by being estrogen dominant and being on the pill at the same time. Do you think massage, collagen, or gelatine helped at all? Thanks a lot, and congrats on your results!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 2:37 AM
I guess I never really paid that much attention to the stretch marks so I can't be sure exactly what helped. I can say that the magnets really improved the overall tone and I think helped to thicken the skin if that makes since. So maybe that is what did it? otherwise the collagen may have helped since it really plumps up my lips maybe it helped there too? I didn't notice any change with the gelatin other than my finger nails were hard as a rock and never broke and grew like crazy. I don't think you can grow into stretch marks. I have them on my hips and bottom too and they only seem worse when I gain weight and improve when I lose weight. Although I guess we are all different and perhaps different parts of the body behave differently.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 11:41 AM
thanks kieyah! it doesn't seem like you minded, but i just wanted to say that i just noticed because i have them (i wouldn't mind them if they were like yours either - i wish! mine are just really bad) and they really bother me. I had some collagen but never used it consistently; maybe I'll try it again for the lips part if anything else! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 14 2008, 12:31 AM
Yes I totally recommend collagen if only for the beautiful full lips and glowing complexion.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 3:29 AM
Well I was doing really well with this routine but lately been missing my morning dose. Which is really bad since I am already taking such a small dose.
Really need to give this a good hard try. It's not that hard really. Just take them first thing in the morning and last thing before bed. Come on, you can do it!
Gonna try drinking soymilk again too if I can stomach it. I used to love it but lately taste is funny. Ran out of collagen too. For now only taking WU and BCP.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 2:46 PM
Hi Kieyah
Thanks for posting your pictures and treatment Program, your info are very important and helpful, and your result is amazing. I am doing some research on PM, natural breast enlargement herbs and different treatment plans, I am quite new to this forum, I was wondering what is WU and BCP? Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you.
Babe
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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 2:33 AM
Welcome to the forum! No problem. WU is abreviation for wonderup which is well known on the forums to have great success. BCP is birth control pill. I am currently taking ortho tri-cyclen.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 12:06 PM
Hi Kieyah
Thanks for your prompt reply, now I understand what you girls were talking about.
I have ordered 3 months supply of PM and waiting for the products to arrive, since I've found this forum, I am so looking forward to start my breast enlargement treatment, as I have seen many successful results and true stories, which is encouraging and I really can't wait to start soon.
I have tried natural breast enlargement before, but failed, I really keep my finger crossed this time with PM, hope this stuff will works for me. I have noticed that you are same age as me, I'm just wondering have you experience any growing pain at all during the treatment?
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Re: kieyah's program page October 12 2007, 6:28 PM
magnets and massager arrived today. will be adding that to my routine. I don't plan to do the tenctures. I am already doing a boobie batter at night.
Found my original tape measure and confirmed my measurements. actually at 38" bust right now but will wait for official measure in on cycle day 5.
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Re: kieyah's program page October 18 2007, 11:00 PM
After about a week, I am not really using the massager. After a while it gets irritating to my sensitive skin. I am still doing "some" massaging on my own (very lazily)
But I have found a way to use the magnets everyday. I knew using the NBA method would be too time consuming (5 times a day). So I didn't even try that. Instead I am taking the growth technique and just using that all by itself. I have attached the magnets to a sports bra and now just leave them there and I wear this at night while sleeping. If I happen to be home without the kids for a while and not on the pc, then I use it for a bit during the day too. Otherwise that is it. Becaue they are really too strong of magnets to just leave in a bra all day if you go out. Stuff literally gets grabbed by the magnets and sticks to them. That would be hard to explain! They can also damage electronic devices so have to stay away. The nba method mentions you should also avoid other people while wearing them.
I already notice quite a difference. Not sure if it is growth so much as shape. They are higher and closer together. I can tell they have grown a bit which normally I don't really notice. But now I can see growth near the cleavage line (between the breasts) all the way from top to bottom. I don't seem to be growing in the outter breasts so much. And my right is now overtaking the left again. My right has always bit slightly bigger. But with herbs alone the left was growing faster. This method with the magnets is convenient and seems to be working so I intend to continue this way. I do plan to put cvs magnets on some other location be cause I notice I feel short of breath at first when putting them on. I have ordered more magnets and may experiment with using more near the outter breasts to see if that gives them a boost. I have really narrow boned and narrow breasts(close together). I don't need more there! I will probably concentrate my massage more there too.
To anyone else considering magnets- do not use the nail polish method mentioned to mark them! They get stuck together and then the paint ends up coming off eventually. I just used a knife or scissor and scratched an "N" on the negative side. This helps me to remember and it doesn't come off.
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Re: kieyah's program page October 23 2007, 1:20 AM
I have been taking a break from herbs for about a week. I have had bad pms and so decided to let myself cycle. I will update measurements and pics on cycle day 5 later this week. I can really see a difference though! can't wait to compare pics!
still doing these things during my break:
skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.
still massaging with evoo, sp, wy, fg at night when I remember. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.
wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and just added another set to outter breasts (straight across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep.
slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again
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Re: kieyah's program page October 25 2007, 9:53 PM
It's time to measure in. I was having really bad PMS so decided to let myself cycle and this is cycle day 5. I have sent in updated pics which should be posted soon. I have been taking a break from herbs and will start back up today.
Here is last month's measurements for comparison:
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")
This month's measurements:
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28 (down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (down 1/4")
looks like my fat is shifting upwards
so far! ok well the pics aren't as obvious as I had hoped, but I did lose some volume with AF. And haven't gained much which is to be expected since I am taking a break form herbs. But I can definately tell they are higher and fuller toward the center cleavage line. So basically up and closer together at least that is how it looks to me. I know they are not closer together but they are only filling out in the center (inner breast). My nipples are super ITCHY today! Wonder if I could be allergic to nickle plating of the magnets? Probably not because the sides where I put the other magnets are not itchy (at least not yet). I am also leaking a slight clear fluid not from the nipple where I'd be leaking if I where lactating but right beside the right nipple. You can kind of see in my pic that the right nipple (left in photo) has a red area well that is leaking if I squeeze it. Not sure if it is a pimple or what. But otherwise If I squeeze the actual nipple, no leaking there. so could be a pimple from the evoo. I am also getting enlarged pores around my areolas. I did that when I was pregnant and breastfeeding, so wonder if this means I will start to lactate soon? gosh I hope not but I will be monitoring this.
starting yasmin today
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (sometimes...I often skip this now)
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 1000mg total)
2 Licorice root about 1000mg total
2 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
I feel pretty good about these doses now. except for one thing. not sure what it is yet.
skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.
going to give boobie batter a rest for now. Maybe this will stop the chest pimples. I will continue to use it occationally before a shower so that the oil won't all soak in. evoo, sp, wy, fg. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.
wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and another set to outter breasts (across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep attached to a sports bra.
slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again
I am adding another sports bra under the one that has the magnets. This will protect my skin from touching the actual magnets in case I am allergic to the nickle plating.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 1 2007, 3:29 AM
the nipple pimple is gone. Over the past week I stopped using the boobie batter and also wore a sports bra inside the sports bra with the magnets on it just in case I have an allergy to the nickle plating on the magnets. my skin has cleared and the nipple itchies have stopped so for now I will continue using two sports bras. these bras are quite loose so I don't see any problem in using two.
I just measured myself, and normally at this point in my cycle any losses would have been regained plus a little. but not only have I not regained it, looks like I lost a bit more. I don't know if this may have anything to do with the fact that they seem to be shifting upwards or if it is from the break from herbs. I do think the left looks a bit smaller.
Adding to routine: progesterone cream once a day, hops 500mg, goat's rue 500mg, and I may add back in the boobie mask. I will also remove the added magnets on the outter sides since so far no progress from this. Maybe it was too much?
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5 htp, timings November 13 2007, 10:44 AM
Hi Kieyah,
first of all, apologies for posting on your page, I hope you don't mind, please say if you do! But I thought it a good wasy of getting in touch.
Thanks for replying aout 5htp. I was wondering about it anyay because I seem prone to becoming more low in winter, which is tough on everyone - like permanent pmt. But now I see that the timing of programmes may be important for success i am wondering if it would help with that too. Have you checked out that thread? If not please do and let me know what you think. It's depressing in itself to think I might have started my programme at entirely the wrong time of year to have any effect but I hope the 5htp might counteract the lack of serotonin. By the way I haven't noticed fat going on in winter before (at least, no more than can be explained by eating more puddings!) so I hope this might work to my benefit. I'd really apreciate hearing your take on this. By the way your boobs look really good. But them I'd be happy to look like your starting picture! Like you I breasfed (2 kids, one year each) but I'm older than you (36). My kids are 6 and 8 now.
Thanks for any advice. You know how it is when you are new and desperate for boobs!!
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:17 PM
I don't mind posting here at all. I think it is great that we can all ask questions and compare notes.
I have been doing some form of nbe for a long time if you count bb machine, is about a year and a half. but if you mean when did I start routinely taking herbs was in early July. On the 5HTP my bottle said to only take one a day, they are 100mg, but you can safely take up to 400mg daily. I needed 200mg daily. just wanted to let you know you can take more if needed. give it 2 weeks and if you don't notice improvement try taking one more.
I'm not sure if timing has much to do with mine. I started herbs in the summer with fenugreek and sp and gained in my tummy, hips, thighs. cut out sp and that helped but whe i switched off fg to fennel seems to be much better now. so for me as far as gaining on the lower half I actually gained more there during the summer months and am losing there now even though I don't exercise and havent' lost any pounds. So I know something must be making my fat shift. no sure if credit is from switching to fennel, taking various stress reducing herbs or if skin brushing has anything to do with it. I do feel strongly that skin brushing has at least some to do with it, because since I stopped doing it the past two weeks some of my hip fat has come back. I have neither gained nore lost any weight. I am starting to take pictures of this area (though I'm not posting them) just so I can compare and be sure it is not just all in my head.
Another thing I must mention is that I started out with large breasts when I was young, each child I breastfed sucked more and more fat out of my boobs until they were half their original size. so that may have a lot to do with why I respond so quickly to everything I try, because they have already been much larger than they are now. Maybe that makes them more sensitive. What I am trying to say is that my results are probably not typical of the average person.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:51 PM
ran out of 5HTP, gonna see how I do without it. Still taking st johns wort. also out of melatonin, will look into getting more. added progesterone cream (wild yam)and 2 pumpkin seed oil a day (2000mg total daily), seeing some improvement in acne but have been forgetting my herbs a lot this past week.
moving magnets more toward the outer half of nipples (half on/half off) in hopes of stimulating growth more toward the outter side. don't need any more inner boobs! they are so full on the inner half and yet not rounded on the outside, kinda strange. also occationally wearing magnets in my bra during the day. I found that if I use a contoured molded cup bra the magnets are not attracted to metals around me unless I actually touch to it. I think i will experiment with this for a week and see if any change or if it makes me stall. still don't do anything but positive polarities all night/day.
Note to self: Really, really got to quit caffeine! Come on, you can do it! You've done it before, you don't need that stuff. it's affecting your herbs absorption. Just stop already! Very bad stuff. And water, water, water...good stuff, drink water NOT sodas! You know you should, just do it
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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 3:01 AM
I have been pretty lazy and haven't been taking my herbs regularly in quite a long while. I am restarting my program today. Upping some of my dosages in hopes of prompting more growth after my loss from the wrong polarities with the magnets. After today's measurements I see that I actually gained back what I had lost! even though I haven't been taking my herbs. The magnet therapy must be kicking in now.
AM
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
2 fennel seed 1000mg total
1 st. johns wort
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 fenugreek 500mg
1 green tea about 350mg
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)
PM
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (going to really try to stick with this now)
3-5 Papaya Enzyme (running low on these)
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 hops 500mg
1 melatonin
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)
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This month's measurements:
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.6 (very slight increase)
waist = 28 (same
fattest part around hips = 35 (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (same)
still haven't given up caffeine...yet
(edited to take out some of the ======='s, can't stand how it widens the screen driving me crazy!)
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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 4:18 AM
also taking 1 red clover daily
also need to add i just started drinking soymilk again, gonna be diligent on the gelatin. but still not drinking enough water, still not massaging, still not doing boobie batter, no heating pad, very little protein intake, don't use massager anymore, no skin brushing.....I've been bad!
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Re: kieyah's program page December 2 2007, 6:22 PM
been taking a few days break from the magnets, still taking my herbs daily so not missing that anymore. still getting aches. left is getting bigger than right again (when I'm not doing any nbe my right has always been bigger).
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Re: kieyah's program page December 7 2007, 2:01 PM
I am increasing my dose of fg, fennel, hops, and gr each to about 1500mg total daily (similar to wu's dose).
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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2007, 4:27 AM
This month's measurements:
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36
fattest part around thigh = 23
Woohoo! I finally hit the even 38". total gained since starting herbs: 3 inches
I am noticing another change in shape. they are starting to fill out at top and bottom of nipple. which makes them appear shorter or smaller from the side but actually they are fuller up top and slightly on bottoms. I think they look a bit less close together too. Will probably be able to tell more when there is more growth to see. this month only quarter inch growth. not noticing any more inner growth so I must have been right about it being from wearing the magnets at night. I have not been wearing magnets at night at all anymore, and only wear them during the day a few days a week. I have been really bad about not taking my herbs everyday too. really bad on the caffeine past few weeks.
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Great Progress! December 29 2007, 3:07 PM
It's me again, I haven't been to the web site in a while. I took 2 months of PM and saw no gain so I am back to herbs. I am taking about 3000 each of hops, fennel and FG daily and I am seeing some growth again so obviously that is what works for me. I am looking to fill in the tops as you are doing, and raise these girls back up some. I can see your progress and I have hope I can do the same. I know it is going to take time. I just HATE swallowing SO many pills 3 times a day!
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Forgot to say December 30 2007, 2:57 PM
I have noticed a huge difference also in my lips since taking the Max Life Collagen. WOW a difference I can see and feel. I am very excited about it. I sent a family photo to a family member this Christmas and I have not seen her in years, she told me "you never age" That felt great....................I think all the vitamins, herbs and supplements could be paying off in not just NBE. Are you still taking the collagen? I really like the Max Life from Twin Labs.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 30 2007, 8:01 PM
oh, I have been just terrible about not taking all those pills every day. Mostly I forget, sometimes I just don't have time, and other times I have a sore throat from the cold winter air. I have increased my doses but it is still very low dose so I think I am going to try taking all of them at night. I usually remember at night but often in the morning when i'm trying to get ready and out the door I just don't take the time to do it. I have also not been wearing the magnets every day. I will be really surprized if i have any more growth this month.
Another thing i might try emptying all the capsules into the gelatin drink and gulp it all down real fast. i still hate the taste of the gelatin so I usually gulp it down fast anyway. Eve did not use capsules so I don't see why it would make a difference in results. it just probably taste horrible. but that would give me another option when I don't feel like choking down so many pills.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 2:20 AM
I forgot to answer your collagen question. I do still have them in my pills to take at night but honestly I haven't been taking them in several weeks. The past few months have a pattern of 1-2 weeks a month of really taking my herbs on time, followed by 2-3 weeks of nothing. I am so bad! I am going to try for a week or two to take everyting at night (all herbs/pills once a day including collagen). and if I can't even keep up with that I will try just the magnets all by themselves again and give herbs another break.
Have you tried magnets? I think the reason i am filling out up top so much lately is from them. If I end up quitting herbs for a while I may find out. and I really think the collagen and gelatin makes me retain more of my growth so that i don't lose most of it when my period comes.
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Re: Kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 3:02 AM
Sounds like going from the frying pan into the fire...when you get tired of taking so many pills ...just go to drinking down some awful tasting concoction! haha The Knox Nutrajoint doesn't have any taste...at least not supposed to and I don't taste anything when I put it in my coffee.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 12:53 PM
Where do you get the magnets from? I don't know much about them.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 2 2008, 3:59 AM
here are the ones I use: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DA2
They are really cheap, but if you aready have some strong magnets you might want to try those first. Another girl used some she had that were for crafts and they seem to be working for her.
hahaa mango! yeah maybe the taste will be so horrible I will be glad to go back to choking down the pills! I have never tried the nutrajoint. I may have to try it. too bad I bought about a 6 month supply of the knox for nails. it is orange flavored. i just hate the sugar free sweeteners. I hate the taste of diet sodas too. yuck! but that's just me. I have been seeing on ebay some gelatin powder from NOW that is tasteless. Maybe it is like the nutrajoint.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2008, 4:46 AM
ok so for the past two days I have managed to make myself choke down all the pills at night. i think this is easier for me than spreading it out 2-3 times a day.
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Dong quai root about 530mg
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 Valerian root
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2008, 1:58 PM
switching from jasmin to orthotricyclene. also since I tend to be really lazy about taking pills during end and beginning of cycle, I am going to try out taking 1-2 week breaks during this time (which is basically what I've been doing, just unintended until now) and see how that goes.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2008, 2:27 AM
today I start ortho and will do two week cycle of herbs all taken at the same time at night.
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg (to counteract the acne I get from herbs)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page January 16 2008, 3:18 AM
This month's measurements:
1/15/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36.5
fattest part around thigh = 23
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Re: kieyah's program page January 18 2008, 2:17 AM
Kieyah you may not have growth this month BUT those girls don't sag like they did in the first pics. They are fuller NO doubt about it. I have been at it for 5 months now and I do notice a difference in mine also. Much fuller and a lot less jiggle and sag. You have made a difference no doubt. I never cared if I grew or not, I wanted to get less sag and raise the girls back up. It seems to be working so far.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 9:17 PM
How is your routine going? Do you have a program page? Yeah, the shape has changed for sure. but I am going for growth more than that. So having no growth in a months time is a bit sad for me. though certainly not surprising since i have been getting really sick of taking so many pills and terrible about not taking them. I even slowed down the magnets to only 3 days a week. So it's no wonder. I'm considering taking a full break again and maybe try something else for a while. Taking all these pill is really getting hard for me. Lately I find myself gagging on them and they have come back up a few times, not fun
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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 10:50 PM
Hi Kieyah,
I really sympathise with the pill swallowing, I've always had trouble with pills and just can't do the big capsules at all. Have you thought about opening them? I've taken loose powdered herbs and although the smell when you open the jar is disgusting you take such a tiny dose that you can't taste it if you just mix it in your food or some yoghurt, porridge, cereal, custard etc. I also find it easier to swallow something nasty than a big tasteless capsule so just mixing the powder with some sugar and lemon juice in a teaspoon and swallowing is better than gulping down the pills. Hope you find something that suits you x
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Re: kieyah's program page January 20 2008, 3:26 AM
No I haven't tried that yet, thanks Louise. I do need to give that a try I guess before I give up. I was thinking a while back about maybe mixing the powder in with the gelatin drink mix, but thought it would be too disgusting. It is super sweet and orange flavored. I hate the taste though, but it might be easier to gulp down than a bunch of pills. I think I will give it a try tonight and see how it goes. Does the taste make you gag? my pills are 00 size too. Maybe that is why. They didn't use to bother me though.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 21 2008, 2:57 AM
well swallowing the powder didn't work for me. I think I'm gonna take a break from herbs for a while. For now I will continue the magnets alone.
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Re: kieyah's program page February 20 2008, 10:45 PM
Done with my break for now. I have ordered wonderup and it arrived today so gonna give that a try for a while. Less pills to choke down. Gonna try to continue with gelatin and collagen. I also still seem to be getting some breakouts lately even with no herbs in my body so I might try taking the pumpkin seed oil again if I can manage not to choke. For now gonna try this:
1 women's multivitamin
6 Wonder-up per day
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:35 AM
gonna just do 4 wonderup per day
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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:55 AM
I am officially 32DD/34D
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Re: kieyah's program page February 25 2008, 8:12 PM
32E rather, most 34D's are a bit small in the cup and I hang out a bit. Less on the E's I think these are more full-coverage. I don't like overhang.
Holey crap they are soooooo sore today!
forgot to put in pre-wu measurments
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
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Re: kieyah's program page February 29 2008, 3:41 AM
well for the past few days they have been so incredibly sore and swollen. but today they actually look bigger. looks like they are growing outwards now. whereas before (individual herbs) they were mostly filling in along the tops and before that was the center (clevage area). so not much difference in terms of inches. needless to say I am very pleased with the change.
also since I have gotten new bras I haven't been using the magnets. don't know if that made any difference or not. But I think I will continue without them for now as long as I continue to have progress without them. I have also added progesterone cream once a day during last 1-2 weeks of cycle(to help with pms). I started this while on my break. So wondering if that might have made me more sensitive to the wu and helped it to work better. also I am still on orthotri and no pumpkinseed.
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Break and Wonderup March 8 2008, 8:33 PM
Don't know if you knew but I took a break about the same time as you. It has been a month now. I lost quite a bit and the fullness I had is gone. I feel deflated. My husband is deflated also if you know what I mean, he keeps asking when I will start back. Wow MEN! I will be very anxious to see how the WU works for you. I would love to try it myself but I am in the US and do not know how to get it. I would love to be able to take less pills. Keep me posted!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 8 2008, 9:04 PM
Vortexhealth ship WU to US, lots of girls have used it - I think it takes about 1-2 weeks depending where you live.
Kieyah, thanks for your continued help x
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 3:43 AM
yes, I live in US and ordered through vortex. only took about a week. I think it is working for me a little already but time will tell. Tomorrow will be cycle day 5 so will measure in then. I don't think I've actually grown yet, just fullness but I can see it so I'm hopeful
I actually had quite a bit of swelling before my cycle this time around and it's been since I was teen since I've had that much cycle swelling (I was coming out of my new bras). not sure if that means anything but wanted to make note of it. I also don't seem to have much acne problem with WU (so far) like I did on individual herbs even though it clearly states on the bottle that WU contains fenugreek and I'm not taking pumpkinseed oil or any androgen blockers. I wonder if WU contains any androgen blockers? of course it could just be too early to tell...Edit Message
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 1:22 PM
I also responded well herbs so hopefully if you do with WU I would also. I was taking a HANDful of herbs 3 times a day. It was hard to do. I need to start back on something soon, but I want to take Milk Thistle for a liver cleanse first. Thanks so much for letting me know I can order from the US. Did you just use a credit card and what is the cost?
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 8:57 PM
I paid with cc. they take paypal, international money orders, & credit cards. These are definatly easier to take than a whole handful of herbs at a time. I was so sick of doing that. These are just two pills three times a day. I have only been taking twice a day. If that gives me any results I will stick with that to make the bottle last longer. I did not order the cream but if you do please let me know how it works for you.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 9:29 PM
This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.25"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
I only just started WU about 2 weeks ago. so will be very curious to see how it goes after a full month. I had some wonderful cycle swelling this month just like when i was a teen. Wonder if that means anything and if this is due to the WU, progesterone cream, the ortho-tri, or even a combo of all of these. But I think it might mean I've finally hit the right hormone level for me since this is how my boobs acted in my teens. I will try to stick with this routine. Now that I'm not doing individual herbs maybe i won't be so tempted to wonder off and try new things. It is so easy to just pop two pills morning and night and that's it. no queeziness or gagging so far. I can do this!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 10:15 PM
Kieyah - are you taking combined BCP + progesterone cream?
I never have had any cycle swelling (apart from my usual small waist disappearing!) and don't think I had swelling or soreness when I was developing but I was so early I can't really remember. Would you say you get a whole cup more?
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Re: kieyah's program page March 10 2008, 3:08 AM
I'd say about half a cup cycle swelling. I don't usually get any noticable cycle swelling in the boobs, not since my teens. This time my bras were super tight. I am hoping this is a good sign. I am taking ortho-tri cyclene (not the low dose one). this is the bcp that I took back in my teens when my boobs went from C to overflowing D, so thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to that again. and since my pms had gotten bad (not related to the pill) I started using NOW brand progesterone cream during that last week of my cycle when I start feeling very irritated and also during my period. at least during the days that are bad and I remember to use it. I started doing this during my break but even before my break I was trying to get used to using it, just not very routinely. So it might have had time to start helping.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 12 2008, 4:46 PM
Hi Kieyah - Since you said you are okay with people commenting here, I thought I'd ask you a question if you don't mind. I haven't been on here in a looong time because I am balancing my estrogen dominance with progesterone. Your pictures are really impressive, and I noticed you had stretch marks in your earlier photos. Do you think they just improved because you filled out with NBE? I was just wondering if you attribute their improvement to anything else. You cannot see them at all in your newer pics. My stretch marks were most likely caused by being estrogen dominant and being on the pill at the same time. Do you think massage, collagen, or gelatine helped at all? Thanks a lot, and congrats on your results!
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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 2:37 AM
I guess I never really paid that much attention to the stretch marks so I can't be sure exactly what helped. I can say that the magnets really improved the overall tone and I think helped to thicken the skin if that makes since. So maybe that is what did it? otherwise the collagen may have helped since it really plumps up my lips maybe it helped there too? I didn't notice any change with the gelatin other than my finger nails were hard as a rock and never broke and grew like crazy. I don't think you can grow into stretch marks. I have them on my hips and bottom too and they only seem worse when I gain weight and improve when I lose weight. Although I guess we are all different and perhaps different parts of the body behave differently.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 11:41 AM
thanks kieyah! it doesn't seem like you minded, but i just wanted to say that i just noticed because i have them (i wouldn't mind them if they were like yours either - i wish! mine are just really bad) and they really bother me. I had some collagen but never used it consistently; maybe I'll try it again for the lips part if anything else! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 14 2008, 12:31 AM
Yes I totally recommend collagen if only for the beautiful full lips and glowing complexion.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 3:29 AM
Well I was doing really well with this routine but lately been missing my morning dose. Which is really bad since I am already taking such a small dose.
Really need to give this a good hard try. It's not that hard really. Just take them first thing in the morning and last thing before bed. Come on, you can do it!
Gonna try drinking soymilk again too if I can stomach it. I used to love it but lately taste is funny. Ran out of collagen too. For now only taking WU and BCP.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 2:46 PM
Hi Kieyah
Thanks for posting your pictures and treatment Program, your info are very important and helpful, and your result is amazing. I am doing some research on PM, natural breast enlargement herbs and different treatment plans, I am quite new to this forum, I was wondering what is WU and BCP? Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 2:33 AM
Welcome to the forum! No problem. WU is abreviation for wonderup which is well known on the forums to have great success. BCP is birth control pill. I am currently taking ortho tri-cyclen.
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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 12:06 PM
Hi Kieyah
Thanks for your prompt reply, now I understand what you girls were talking about.
I have ordered 3 months supply of PM and waiting for the products to arrive, since I've found this forum, I am so looking forward to start my breast enlargement treatment, as I have seen many successful results and true stories, which is encouraging and I really can't wait to start soon.
I have tried natural breast enlargement before, but failed, I really keep my finger crossed this time with PM, hope this stuff will works for me. I have noticed that you are same age as me, I'm just wondering have you experience any growing pain at all during the treatment?