[hannah]

I massage with olive oil. Sometimes coconut as i feel that is less greasy. James always recommenda adding fenugreek powder to the oil and massage so i am thinking of trying that. Im hesitant of taking too many phytoestrogens because i end up having an early period.

You are right that fennel is prolactin as last time i consumed them i began lactating and started my periods 5 days after i just finished. Im being careful this time and not consuming too much. Boobs still sore.. i hope i can retain this but also that they grow outwards. Thank you Hannah for your comments

Both are good oils, good choices imo. My personal suggestion is to add an oil with high vitamin c content. I tried pomegranate extract oil...or something like that, it did wonders for shape, tighness and it my skin really soft, love it. It was a tiny expensive bottle, but I wonder what would happen when using this daily. I am not very knowledgable about oils with vit c but I am trying to take this further, i am looking for an oil that has vit c but also the other important vitamins for tissues...so those are vit a and e as well.

The fenugreeknand all the phytoestrogens, I am personally done with them. You know these herbs ghey are not pure and they are not identical to our own hormones. I think because they aint pure they give us side effects. Like you mention with your period, but this influences us on way more levels is my guess. And unfortunately, they do not really make the magic happen in the breast area. The growth from it is unpredictable and stopping a herbal program often results in shrinkage.

I do not know which is the best way, but my wish would be something with p and e that comes closer to our natural way of beeing.

You mean with outward growth more projection? This is my wish as well. Personally herbs gave me swelling and more puffy fatty layer of skin then real breast forming..yaknow i just dont think these plant hormones stimulate us like real hormones would.....
I did try foryears with the stuff, but its just not triggering my breasts. My mood and brain gets stimulated, plus the herbs affect my period, but real hormonal changes   not in me......

I do hope for you it is different, biut you are here for some years now...you might be able to tell if this direction is the way for you or not.
My direction right now is food. And i hope to manipulate my hormones in that way.
I do want to try prog. Creâm againbut one wouldneed bio identical estrogen for it to work. But where do we find that lol.