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For me given we all touch xeno estrogens daily it makes sense to try overpower them with good estrogen but scare mongering has us doing otherwise.  I think life us one big conspiracy now I really do.

Lol the more I read about what is all going wrong for our health in the 21st century (chemical toxins, pesticides, etc), the more I have reached the same conclusion. I have been following the news and doing tons of research on what is going on with food and environmental toxins for ten years now. What is most alarming is the fact that there is a problem is not being acknowledged by the people who are responsible for doing something about it. But I digress.

Yes, liver support is so important. Without it, the hormones build up in your system and all your levels go crazy high. This is what happened to me when I first started bioidentical hormone therapy. I was put on progesterone because my estrogen levels are high and my testosterone was in the high normal range. After the first four months when I had my followup bloodwork done, my progesterone was normal, but my estrogen levels were extremely high and my testosterone was suddenly high too. My doctor put me on a supplement containing DIM and indole-3-carbinol (this is why I take EstroSense). The day after I started taking it I immediately felt the best I have ever felt. So While other people are probably not in the same situation, taking a liver detox supplement certainly cannot hurt.

I also want to address the issue of "hormone balance". Hormone balance does not necessarily mean all levels are the same nor or are they at the same levels at all times or at the same levels at the same time for each individual. But there is probably a ratio of estrogen to progesterone during different parts of one's cycle, which may vary during the cycle, but expected values are pretty well established. My bloodwork is done just once without looking at how the levels are changing during my cycle. So doctors know expected values enough to say what is normal relative to where you are in your cycle.

Does this clear some things up a bit I hope?

I missed this post.. Ok so you took PC cream only to normalise progesteron but have estrogen  go higher! wow that minds blowing. That goes to show progesterone has no influence on actual estrogen levels ( i theorize). I wonder what was happening in your life to have youre estrogen go higher again? 

Ok im going to look into estrosence.

How has taking this influenced breasts if any? Ps i realise breasts are insignificant to reducing estrogen!

Yes, you're right that estrogen and progesterone are produced indepedently of each other and don't directly interact. I am actually taking oral progesterone. I'm not using a cream.

Well, during that time I was working as a contract chemist at a Fortune 500 company, and I have never been in a more toxic work environment. It was extremely stressful and the contractors were always under the microscope. It was like the company was constantly trying to find a reason to replace or get rid of contractors or to otherwise squeeze as much work out of them as possible. In addition, my manager kept trying to "toughen me up". It felt very much like my manager thought my femininity was an obstacle to being able to do my job. I left after 3 months when I got a job offer somewhere else, but I imagine the stress of that did not help matters. My doctor didn't really say why my hormones were all suddenly high. Maybe the progesterone I was taking in addition to my already high estrogen levels was taxing my liver, so the hormones were building up in my blood. That was the impression I got from my doctor since she didn't put me on androgen or estrogen blockers of any sort.

I started taking the EstroSense around the same time as I started taking BO, so I don't know which one is doing what. I feel much better on the EstroSense though: less sluggish, no more brain fog. But I don't think it has necessarily had an impact on my NBE except for getting my hormones in order for the BO to work.