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Taking PM- confused
September 24 2008 at 6:32 PM LittleRocks (Login LittleRocks)
After doing some reading and research on using PM for breast enhancement, Im confused.
Some info says take the first dose on the 1st day of your cycle, another says take it on the 7th day of your cycle and others say on the 8th day of your cycle.
To add to this confusion, some say take it 15 days on, 15 days off, and others say take it for 21 days on, 7 days off.
What are we supposed to believe?
I havent started taking anything yet and wont until I get the correct answers.
Perhaps you ladies who are taking PM already can shed some intelligent light on this.
Thank you
Lisa
Katie
(Login katiep2804)
Hey
September 24 2008, 9:04 PM
Hey, we are all using different PMs and my advise it to just go with whatever the product you are using says to do. I was confused too before I started and I'm getting results. I take it 15 days on 15 off. Maybe see what others say too as i'm no expert but I always go for whats on the bottle.
Good luck
Katie
duelli
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Re: Taking PM- confused
September 24 2008, 10:28 PM
I'm pretty new to PM and just started taking it a little over a week ago but the kind I take says to start on day 7 of your cycle and take for 14 days only and then repeat on day 7 of the next cycle and so on. Her reasons for that are from her personal experience (the owner) and logic. I'd copy and paste the info from her site but it won't let me, lol
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Basically it says that doing the above raises estrogen levels at the appropriate times. She says that doing it on day one is too early and can cause your period to stall. And then after the 14 days your estrogen naturally starts dropping off which signals your body to start its next period. The way she puts it makes sense but I'm defintely not an expert so I don't know for sure.
I know that a lot of people have their periods late doing it the other ways so I'm hoping i can keep my normal cycle if I do it this way but only time will tell. I'll update after AF is due.
double_ace
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 1:28 AM
But this doesn't make sense, if your estrogen level drops at 14 days isn't this when you should be taking estrogenic supplements to keep estrogenic levels high and steady instead of having REALLY high levels of estrogen one moment and super low levels the next? it doesn't add up
Duelli
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 6:20 AM
Double Ace, the levels will not be steady if you take PM all the way through as your body naturally drops the levels on it's own. Maybe if you took PM *only* during the time that it naturally drops could you possibly try to make it steady. But if you do that you'll never have a higher than normal estrogen spike. If your boobs aren't growing on their own then the levels of estrogen in your body aren't high enough to cause growth in the first place so that wouldn't be benefial IMO.
Is breast growth dependent on something being steady? Not from what I have read all over this board and others. There is always talk of ramping up and also stalling. Taking breaks, doing a cleanse, etc. The way that it is described to me with my PM is that it is like having a mini puberty every time you do the 14 days on PM. This is how normal natural growth occurs in the first place so it makes perfect sense to mimic that. When your boobs are growing on their own during puberty, you do not have a steady stream of high estrogen. Your body naturally drops its levels on its own. If you take the PM all the way through then at best you will bring your estrogen levels up to the level that they naturally are when they peak without PM use and that isn't high enough to grow boobs. And in doing so you will mess up your cycle.
double_ace
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 8:17 AM
So in other words the PM will be boosting the estrogen levels when it's at its highest peak, which will allow your breasts to grow?
And then when the levels in your body drops and you don't take any estrogenic supplements, that is when your body rests?
In the japanese NBE thread they mentioned that you should only take the PM for 14-15 days after the first day of your period (ovulation), and then for the second half of your cycle when you do have your period, you take a progesterone supplement to higher those levels.
does this also mean that when your progesterone levels are high that's when you take progesterone supplements to 'up' those levels?
So you're basically just making the hormone levels you alrady have in your body a little higher than?
topazblue
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 11:52 AM
Hi Double Ace
Just posted a msg in the Japanese Bust Enhancement thread - I've gone back to this method.
Louise
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 6:51 PM
I think you're getting confused - have a look at the link to the pic I posted in the thread I started a couple of days ago about cycling herbs.
Your first day of bleeding is cycle day 1, your estrogen level then gets progressively higher for the next 14 days and when it peaks it triggers ovulation (which is releasing the follicle not getting your period), then the progesterone takes over and the estrogen level drops off.
Duelli
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Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 7:31 PM
Actually CD1-5 are when both estrogen and progesterone levels are at their lowest. Estrogen levels do NOT begin to rise at day 1 of your cycle progressively. It is true that estrogen levels tend to peak at day 14, which means that CD7-21 give you the highest levels of estrogen in your body with day 14 being the highest on average. I have to stress the average part as I've been doing BBT charts and dealing with infertility for enough years to know that "averages" often mean nothing.
September 24 2008 at 6:32 PM LittleRocks (Login LittleRocks)
After doing some reading and research on using PM for breast enhancement, Im confused.
Some info says take the first dose on the 1st day of your cycle, another says take it on the 7th day of your cycle and others say on the 8th day of your cycle.
To add to this confusion, some say take it 15 days on, 15 days off, and others say take it for 21 days on, 7 days off.
What are we supposed to believe?
I havent started taking anything yet and wont until I get the correct answers.
Perhaps you ladies who are taking PM already can shed some intelligent light on this.
Thank you
Lisa
Katie
(Login katiep2804)
Hey
September 24 2008, 9:04 PM
Hey, we are all using different PMs and my advise it to just go with whatever the product you are using says to do. I was confused too before I started and I'm getting results. I take it 15 days on 15 off. Maybe see what others say too as i'm no expert but I always go for whats on the bottle.
Good luck
Katie
duelli
(Login duelli)
Re: Taking PM- confused
September 24 2008, 10:28 PM
I'm pretty new to PM and just started taking it a little over a week ago but the kind I take says to start on day 7 of your cycle and take for 14 days only and then repeat on day 7 of the next cycle and so on. Her reasons for that are from her personal experience (the owner) and logic. I'd copy and paste the info from her site but it won't let me, lol
.Basically it says that doing the above raises estrogen levels at the appropriate times. She says that doing it on day one is too early and can cause your period to stall. And then after the 14 days your estrogen naturally starts dropping off which signals your body to start its next period. The way she puts it makes sense but I'm defintely not an expert so I don't know for sure.
I know that a lot of people have their periods late doing it the other ways so I'm hoping i can keep my normal cycle if I do it this way but only time will tell. I'll update after AF is due.
double_ace
(Login double_ace)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 1:28 AM
But this doesn't make sense, if your estrogen level drops at 14 days isn't this when you should be taking estrogenic supplements to keep estrogenic levels high and steady instead of having REALLY high levels of estrogen one moment and super low levels the next? it doesn't add up
Duelli
(Login duelli)
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 6:20 AM
Double Ace, the levels will not be steady if you take PM all the way through as your body naturally drops the levels on it's own. Maybe if you took PM *only* during the time that it naturally drops could you possibly try to make it steady. But if you do that you'll never have a higher than normal estrogen spike. If your boobs aren't growing on their own then the levels of estrogen in your body aren't high enough to cause growth in the first place so that wouldn't be benefial IMO.
Is breast growth dependent on something being steady? Not from what I have read all over this board and others. There is always talk of ramping up and also stalling. Taking breaks, doing a cleanse, etc. The way that it is described to me with my PM is that it is like having a mini puberty every time you do the 14 days on PM. This is how normal natural growth occurs in the first place so it makes perfect sense to mimic that. When your boobs are growing on their own during puberty, you do not have a steady stream of high estrogen. Your body naturally drops its levels on its own. If you take the PM all the way through then at best you will bring your estrogen levels up to the level that they naturally are when they peak without PM use and that isn't high enough to grow boobs. And in doing so you will mess up your cycle.
double_ace
(Login double_ace)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 8:17 AM
So in other words the PM will be boosting the estrogen levels when it's at its highest peak, which will allow your breasts to grow?
And then when the levels in your body drops and you don't take any estrogenic supplements, that is when your body rests?
In the japanese NBE thread they mentioned that you should only take the PM for 14-15 days after the first day of your period (ovulation), and then for the second half of your cycle when you do have your period, you take a progesterone supplement to higher those levels.
does this also mean that when your progesterone levels are high that's when you take progesterone supplements to 'up' those levels?
So you're basically just making the hormone levels you alrady have in your body a little higher than?
topazblue
(Login topazblue)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 11:52 AM
Hi Double Ace
Just posted a msg in the Japanese Bust Enhancement thread - I've gone back to this method.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 6:51 PM
I think you're getting confused - have a look at the link to the pic I posted in the thread I started a couple of days ago about cycling herbs.
Your first day of bleeding is cycle day 1, your estrogen level then gets progressively higher for the next 14 days and when it peaks it triggers ovulation (which is releasing the follicle not getting your period), then the progesterone takes over and the estrogen level drops off.
Duelli
(Login duelli)
Re: Taking PM- confused
October 1 2008, 7:31 PM
Actually CD1-5 are when both estrogen and progesterone levels are at their lowest. Estrogen levels do NOT begin to rise at day 1 of your cycle progressively. It is true that estrogen levels tend to peak at day 14, which means that CD7-21 give you the highest levels of estrogen in your body with day 14 being the highest on average. I have to stress the average part as I've been doing BBT charts and dealing with infertility for enough years to know that "averages" often mean nothing.