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Saw Palmetto
May 5 2006 at 4:53 PM
Janie (Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Hi Everyone,
I'm just wondering how much SP the size AA's or smaller are taking? I am a loose 36AA and am taking a total of 1350 mg daily and am nearly 40 :-(
Thanks in advance
Janie
Lizzie
(Login LizzieT)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 8:40 AM
Hi Janie
I'm between an A and AA cup and I'm 42. I've been taking saw palmetto extract 320mg once a day since Feb. I think maybe I'm not taking enough saw palmetto to balance testosterone as I've got really bad acne since starting my routine. I don't know how much you're taking, but I read on the BEBoard that it's OK to take 2000 - 3000mg of saw palmetto berries a day (that's herb, not extract). I notice that Sunset is taking 1620mg a day and I think I'm going to try taking the same amount. I'm sure she and the other girls can give you much more info, but I hope this helps a little bit!
Good luck - I know it can get you down, but I'm sure you will find a routine that works if you persevere.
Lizzie
Janie
(Login jpeters2)
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:49 PM
Thanks Lizzie,
Another pill will take me to 1800mgs,
Janie
Lisa 121
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:53 PM
Janie, taking 320 mg of Saw Palmetto extract is worth a try, but you should not take more to start with. If you take the herb I would recommend to start at about 1500 mg a day and maybe ramp up to 2000 or 3000 a day depending on your progress. If you want to take the extract it may be worth buying 160 mg of extract so you can increase the amount you are taking to 320 mf if you feel that you need it.
It really all depends on your own body and what it needs to grow, slowly ramping up on the herbs can help you determine this.
Lizzie, what you read is right, it has been recommended for NBE to take up to 3000 mg of SP a day but since the extract is usually concentrated 10:1 you are probably already taking 3200 mg of herb a day.
I would not recommend taking more than that if you have not had any signs of elevated testosterone levels before starting on NBE. The phytoestrogens are what can cause acne as far as I know, so taking more Saw Palmetto won't counteract that.
Sunset is taking herb as far as I know (Sunset, please correct me if I am wrong) so she is only taking about half the dose of what you are taking at the moment.
Sorry if I understood you wrong, if you want to lower your dose then of course there isn't a problem :-).
Good luck growing to both of you, and everyone else of course,
Lisa
Janie
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:57 PM
Thanks Lisa,
I don't know whether to add another one or not. I have grown 1/4 inch (if you can measure that ) in 2 cycles. I don't know whether to add another fenugreek for this month either :0( I want to change, or partially change to fennel for the summer months
Lisa 121
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 10:05 PM
Janie you are welcome, if you have grown I wouldn't really change anything, that sounds like really good progress, it does take time.
I don't think that switching to Fennel should do any harm, maybe take one more Fennel than you are taking Fenugreek just now.
We only ever find out what helps through experimenting, so try adding the extra Fenugreek or a Fennel instead next month and see how you go, the same goes for the SP, you can take a bit more, maybe 2000 mg or so, but you really don't have to if you feel you are driving well with that amount just now.
I have a growing phase during each cycle so if nothing happens then I usually know that I am doing something wrong. If that doesn't happen with you then just wait till the end of the month and compare the changes to before, but it really is an up and down process so don't get discouraged, you seem to be doing really well!!!
Take care and keep up the good growth,
Lisa
Janie
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 10:10 PM
Hi Lisa,
I don't know about the growing phase. I've never had luteal swelling or anything like that all my booby life :-) Last cycle I started itching a ciouple of days before my period which lasted on and off for 2-3 weeks. I started itching around the time my period started this month too so perhaps that's it, although I expected it all to happen the 2nd. half of my cycle!:-)
jellyboobs
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well done !!!!
May 7 2006, 7:45 AM
hey janie 1/4" is 1/4" right !!!! girl that is growth and all growth is GOOD !!!!! so congratulations love jelly....
Sherri
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 5:31 AM
I have been taking 320 of SP and am doing great. I think you are taking way too much honey.
Anonymous
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 8:46 AM
Hi Sherri,
I'm taking herbs not extract
Lisa 121
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 9:47 PM
Hi Janie, the itchiness sounds like it is your monthly sign, it is different for everyone so if you just watch that you can add another Fenugreek or SP and see how you go, if you feel more pains then that is a good sign and if not you know what you have to do. :-)
Good luck and keep up the growth, you are really doing well so don't stress it!
Lisa
Janie
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks Lisa,
I might just add another fenugreek and see what happens. I can always drop it again :-) Next cycle I want to play around with Fennel too to try and get a happy medium between that and fenugreek. Fenugreek doesn't make me smell too bad but the hot summer is coming :-( Fennel has cost me £1 more per bottle than fenugreek :-(
Lizzie
(Login LizzieT)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 10:35 PM
Thanks for that info Lisa. I've decided not to increase the saw palmetto after doing a bit more research and reading your post, but have got the fennel now and have started taking it in place of most fenugreek doses. Will let you know how it goes!
Janie, best of luck with the growing - it definitely seems to be a slow, up-and-down process but any growth is good
Sherri
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 9 2006, 3:18 AM
Oh, ok. sorry Janie, guess I missed that.
Anonymous
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 3:13 AM
are herbs and berries the same? I'm confused. You can take more herb/berries than extract right? But I am taking a sp herb and my bottle says to take only one (320mg) a day. SO does that mean it's an extract?
Anonymous
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 3:26 AM
ok, now I'm really confused. I looked on my bottle and it says saw palmetto extract and on the back it says berry extract? Someone please tell me the difference between the three: berries, extracts, and herbs.
Helen
(Login Helen_N)
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To Anonymous
May 15 2006, 1:57 PM
Yes, you are taking a high strength (320mg) extract of Saw Palmetto, as you see you only need to take only 1 a day.
I was quite confused as well with this extract/herb issue at the beginning. My supplement is 36mg SP extract tablets (not capsules), but it states that it is "equivalent to 500mg of herb powder", and I can take 1 x3 times a day (i.e. the equivalent of 1500mg of herb powder). By the way does yours state any equivalence??
Now, SP is a berries plant, so you might also see it referred to as "berries" or even "fruit" (hence yours says "berries" extract, mine says "fruit" extract). The word herb other times refers to the whole herb in powdered form, i.e. loose powder, or in capsule form.
As for which form is better, extract or "whole plant" there are different opionions on this.
* With extracts, scientists identify one or more chemicals from the herb considered to be primarily responsible for specific effects or activities in the body. So, standardized extracts contain a consistent level of specific ingredients in every batch.
* On the other hand, whole herbs, unlike extracts, may have some variability in ratios of specific ingredients from batch to batch. Growing conditions, weather, soil composition and harvest date are some of the factors that can influence a whole herb profile, just as they can influence the nutritional composition of most foods. However, whole herbs do offer the benefit of delivering all of the ingredients found naturally as part of the herbs.
So we can have the herb in different, but equivalent forms: loose powder, powder in capsules, standardized extracts of the herb (in the case of SP, fruit or berries extract). At the end of the day you should not worry as long as you follow the respective bottle instructions in each case, and this automatically "takes care" of the equivalence for you, so that you can have the right daily intake.
Hope this clears things out a bit for you
Helen xx
Lisa 121
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Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 1:57 PM
Hello Anon, the extract is made from the herb and the berries are just the berries. If it says extract on the bottle then you should take max 320mg and see how it goes.
If you buy the berries or whole herb than you can take more of it than if you take the extract.
Hope this clears it up?
Good luck,
Lisa
May 5 2006 at 4:53 PM
Janie (Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Hi Everyone,
I'm just wondering how much SP the size AA's or smaller are taking? I am a loose 36AA and am taking a total of 1350 mg daily and am nearly 40 :-(
Thanks in advance
Janie
Lizzie
(Login LizzieT)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 8:40 AM
Hi Janie
I'm between an A and AA cup and I'm 42. I've been taking saw palmetto extract 320mg once a day since Feb. I think maybe I'm not taking enough saw palmetto to balance testosterone as I've got really bad acne since starting my routine. I don't know how much you're taking, but I read on the BEBoard that it's OK to take 2000 - 3000mg of saw palmetto berries a day (that's herb, not extract). I notice that Sunset is taking 1620mg a day and I think I'm going to try taking the same amount. I'm sure she and the other girls can give you much more info, but I hope this helps a little bit!
Good luck - I know it can get you down, but I'm sure you will find a routine that works if you persevere.
Lizzie
Janie
(Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:49 PM
Thanks Lizzie,
Another pill will take me to 1800mgs,
Janie
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:53 PM
Janie, taking 320 mg of Saw Palmetto extract is worth a try, but you should not take more to start with. If you take the herb I would recommend to start at about 1500 mg a day and maybe ramp up to 2000 or 3000 a day depending on your progress. If you want to take the extract it may be worth buying 160 mg of extract so you can increase the amount you are taking to 320 mf if you feel that you need it.
It really all depends on your own body and what it needs to grow, slowly ramping up on the herbs can help you determine this.
Lizzie, what you read is right, it has been recommended for NBE to take up to 3000 mg of SP a day but since the extract is usually concentrated 10:1 you are probably already taking 3200 mg of herb a day.
I would not recommend taking more than that if you have not had any signs of elevated testosterone levels before starting on NBE. The phytoestrogens are what can cause acne as far as I know, so taking more Saw Palmetto won't counteract that.
Sunset is taking herb as far as I know (Sunset, please correct me if I am wrong) so she is only taking about half the dose of what you are taking at the moment.
Sorry if I understood you wrong, if you want to lower your dose then of course there isn't a problem :-).
Good luck growing to both of you, and everyone else of course,
Lisa
Janie
(Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 9:57 PM
Thanks Lisa,
I don't know whether to add another one or not. I have grown 1/4 inch (if you can measure that ) in 2 cycles. I don't know whether to add another fenugreek for this month either :0( I want to change, or partially change to fennel for the summer months
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 10:05 PM
Janie you are welcome, if you have grown I wouldn't really change anything, that sounds like really good progress, it does take time.
I don't think that switching to Fennel should do any harm, maybe take one more Fennel than you are taking Fenugreek just now.
We only ever find out what helps through experimenting, so try adding the extra Fenugreek or a Fennel instead next month and see how you go, the same goes for the SP, you can take a bit more, maybe 2000 mg or so, but you really don't have to if you feel you are driving well with that amount just now.
I have a growing phase during each cycle so if nothing happens then I usually know that I am doing something wrong. If that doesn't happen with you then just wait till the end of the month and compare the changes to before, but it really is an up and down process so don't get discouraged, you seem to be doing really well!!!
Take care and keep up the good growth,
Lisa
Janie
(Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 6 2006, 10:10 PM
Hi Lisa,
I don't know about the growing phase. I've never had luteal swelling or anything like that all my booby life :-) Last cycle I started itching a ciouple of days before my period which lasted on and off for 2-3 weeks. I started itching around the time my period started this month too so perhaps that's it, although I expected it all to happen the 2nd. half of my cycle!:-)
jellyboobs
(Login jellyboobs)
EVE MEMBERS
well done !!!!
May 7 2006, 7:45 AM
hey janie 1/4" is 1/4" right !!!! girl that is growth and all growth is GOOD !!!!! so congratulations love jelly....
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 5:31 AM
I have been taking 320 of SP and am doing great. I think you are taking way too much honey.
Anonymous
(Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 8:46 AM
Hi Sherri,
I'm taking herbs not extract
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 9:47 PM
Hi Janie, the itchiness sounds like it is your monthly sign, it is different for everyone so if you just watch that you can add another Fenugreek or SP and see how you go, if you feel more pains then that is a good sign and if not you know what you have to do. :-)
Good luck and keep up the growth, you are really doing well so don't stress it!
Lisa
Janie
(Login jpeters2)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks Lisa,
I might just add another fenugreek and see what happens. I can always drop it again :-) Next cycle I want to play around with Fennel too to try and get a happy medium between that and fenugreek. Fenugreek doesn't make me smell too bad but the hot summer is coming :-( Fennel has cost me £1 more per bottle than fenugreek :-(
Lizzie
(Login LizzieT)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 8 2006, 10:35 PM
Thanks for that info Lisa. I've decided not to increase the saw palmetto after doing a bit more research and reading your post, but have got the fennel now and have started taking it in place of most fenugreek doses. Will let you know how it goes!
Janie, best of luck with the growing - it definitely seems to be a slow, up-and-down process but any growth is good
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 9 2006, 3:18 AM
Oh, ok. sorry Janie, guess I missed that.
Anonymous
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 3:13 AM
are herbs and berries the same? I'm confused. You can take more herb/berries than extract right? But I am taking a sp herb and my bottle says to take only one (320mg) a day. SO does that mean it's an extract?
Anonymous
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 3:26 AM
ok, now I'm really confused. I looked on my bottle and it says saw palmetto extract and on the back it says berry extract? Someone please tell me the difference between the three: berries, extracts, and herbs.
Helen
(Login Helen_N)
EVE MEMBERS
To Anonymous
May 15 2006, 1:57 PM
Yes, you are taking a high strength (320mg) extract of Saw Palmetto, as you see you only need to take only 1 a day.
I was quite confused as well with this extract/herb issue at the beginning. My supplement is 36mg SP extract tablets (not capsules), but it states that it is "equivalent to 500mg of herb powder", and I can take 1 x3 times a day (i.e. the equivalent of 1500mg of herb powder). By the way does yours state any equivalence??
Now, SP is a berries plant, so you might also see it referred to as "berries" or even "fruit" (hence yours says "berries" extract, mine says "fruit" extract). The word herb other times refers to the whole herb in powdered form, i.e. loose powder, or in capsule form.
As for which form is better, extract or "whole plant" there are different opionions on this.
* With extracts, scientists identify one or more chemicals from the herb considered to be primarily responsible for specific effects or activities in the body. So, standardized extracts contain a consistent level of specific ingredients in every batch.
* On the other hand, whole herbs, unlike extracts, may have some variability in ratios of specific ingredients from batch to batch. Growing conditions, weather, soil composition and harvest date are some of the factors that can influence a whole herb profile, just as they can influence the nutritional composition of most foods. However, whole herbs do offer the benefit of delivering all of the ingredients found naturally as part of the herbs.
So we can have the herb in different, but equivalent forms: loose powder, powder in capsules, standardized extracts of the herb (in the case of SP, fruit or berries extract). At the end of the day you should not worry as long as you follow the respective bottle instructions in each case, and this automatically "takes care" of the equivalence for you, so that you can have the right daily intake.
Hope this clears things out a bit for you
Helen xx
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto
May 15 2006, 1:57 PM
Hello Anon, the extract is made from the herb and the berries are just the berries. If it says extract on the bottle then you should take max 320mg and see how it goes.
If you buy the berries or whole herb than you can take more of it than if you take the extract.
Hope this clears it up?
Good luck,
Lisa