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Saw Palmetto
January 4 2006 at 1:39 PM Angela (no login)
Has anyone had any stomach upset when taking SP? I was taking the NOW brand of 160 mg of extract. I was taking 9 a day and had no problems but was not having as many growth pains as I do with taking the SP from iherbs. I had made the mistake of taking too much. Because I was taking 9 of the other one and it said it was an extract from the berries I figured I was taking 1,440 mgs a day. So, I took 3 a day of the one from iherb because then that would be 9,600 mgs a day with having to take less pills. I got so sick from taking too much. I was sick to my stomach, had the runs and had a tremendous headache. I quit taking it for two days so it would leave my system. When I only took 1 a day I didn't have that many pains so that is why I upped it. I had more growth this month than any other month, of course it went away after my period. My problem is if I don't take enough SP then nothing happens but if I take too much then I am sick. Has anyone experienced this and if so have you found a solution? Thanks so much!
Angela
Stephanie
(Login Steph73)
To angela
January 5 2006, 7:04 AM
Hi Angela! I havnt had this issue but I thought a suggestion might be helpful. Maybe you could try adding some other herbs and/or massage(if your not already?) rather then taking such an enormous amount of Saw Palmetto.S.P. is known to be a very safe herb when taken at "recommened" doses. Good Luck and hope your feeling better!
Stephanie;32
Molly
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 16 2006, 2:24 PM
Typical intake of Saw Palmetto is around 1000-2000mg per day. If you are taking 9600mg daily do not be surprised if you get any unwanted effects.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 16 2006, 4:00 PM
i know of several women that take upwards of 3000mg-7000,mg of SP a day. does it work? well you can look through the routine section and the stats section. IMO it doesnt make a difference how much you take. more doesnt mean better. SP is suppose to reduce DHT levels and men are usually recommended to take 160mg -320mg a day. men typically have more DHT and DHT related problems so i cant imagine why a woman (normal average woman) would feel that she needs to take 10X that amount.
http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case8965.htm now this is the first time im reading that SP may prevent estrogen from binding to recepters. if thats the case then it would mean that It works again NBE. im not too sure if this information is accurate but its something to read.
if you are going to take SP just be aware of the BC warning and consider back up BC. and there are side effects like headaches and upset stomach so be careful. and dont exceed 3000mg a day. there isnt a danger that i know of but its a wast of money if it has little or no NBE effect and you there is a possibility it could prevent NBE all together.
prettysoulful
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 18 2006, 2:27 PM
SP is an adaptogenic herb. It can block both DHT and estrogen depending on what the whole body may need at the time. In general, SP displays an anti-estrogenic effect when the person has overly high estrogen levels which also prevents the body from releasing testosterone. It is believed to help displace or block foreign estrogens from filling the receptors allowing the body's natural estrogen to fill the receptors instead. SP helps promote balance no matter which hormone is out of whack.
A dosage of 160mg-720mg of SP extract should be sufficient to see results without experiencing side effects. If you have reason to believe that your testosterone levels are above normal, more may be required, but start with the dosages above for a few weeks then gradually add on to that.
Keep in mind, that lowering testosterone is a very small part of NBE for most women. Balancing estrogen(usually with herbs), prolactin(usually with massage), progesterone(with creams or nutritional supps that increase natural progesterone production), and human growth hormone(mostly with adequate sleep patterns) are all needed to increase the success of NBE.
Instead of overdosing SP, try reducing the dose and using massage(prolactin) and a heat pad for about 20 minutes. The heat helps the body naturally convert the testosterone that is present in the breast into estrogen. Effects from heating can sometimes be seen the next day, but need to done regularly for lasting results. But before you start blasting the heat for hours at a time, be aware the the temp needs to stay in the medium range and on for no more than 30 minutes per session or you may prevent growth instead.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 18 2006, 3:19 PM
i would say it safer to get a prescription DHT/testosterone blocker like spironolactone then to guess and check as to how high your levels are. if you dont know for sure you are high in androgen and you are taking 3000mg a day you might as well go see your doctor and get as prescription so at least your doctor is supervising you. i probably wouldnt go above 1000mg a day. 360 is more then enough for a man and there is no reason that most women would need more (not even for NBE). but if you find yourself getting great NBE results with 3000mg and you have no side effects then keep doing what you are doing. Prescripton drugs like spironolactone works great at blocking DHT level and it also is Known to cause NBE. so instead of self medicating yourself with herbs you can get a doctor's help to get your hormone levels under control. this is just another option to look into.
Cyan
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 19 2006, 9:59 AM
SugarQ, I think you may be mistaking extracts for berries. 320mg extract at a ratio of 10:1 is equivalent to 3200mg. However, Angela did write that she was taking the extract and not the berries...
Angela, I wouldn't go beyond the manufacturer's daily dose recommendation since some are more potent then others. That could be a reason why you are getting sick even though the dosage is lower.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 19 2006, 5:58 PM
yeah you are right Cyan, the whole 10:1 equivillance thing totally left my find. thanks.
January 4 2006 at 1:39 PM Angela (no login)
Has anyone had any stomach upset when taking SP? I was taking the NOW brand of 160 mg of extract. I was taking 9 a day and had no problems but was not having as many growth pains as I do with taking the SP from iherbs. I had made the mistake of taking too much. Because I was taking 9 of the other one and it said it was an extract from the berries I figured I was taking 1,440 mgs a day. So, I took 3 a day of the one from iherb because then that would be 9,600 mgs a day with having to take less pills. I got so sick from taking too much. I was sick to my stomach, had the runs and had a tremendous headache. I quit taking it for two days so it would leave my system. When I only took 1 a day I didn't have that many pains so that is why I upped it. I had more growth this month than any other month, of course it went away after my period. My problem is if I don't take enough SP then nothing happens but if I take too much then I am sick. Has anyone experienced this and if so have you found a solution? Thanks so much!
Angela
Stephanie
(Login Steph73)
To angela
January 5 2006, 7:04 AM
Hi Angela! I havnt had this issue but I thought a suggestion might be helpful. Maybe you could try adding some other herbs and/or massage(if your not already?) rather then taking such an enormous amount of Saw Palmetto.S.P. is known to be a very safe herb when taken at "recommened" doses. Good Luck and hope your feeling better!
Stephanie;32
Molly
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 16 2006, 2:24 PM
Typical intake of Saw Palmetto is around 1000-2000mg per day. If you are taking 9600mg daily do not be surprised if you get any unwanted effects.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 16 2006, 4:00 PM
i know of several women that take upwards of 3000mg-7000,mg of SP a day. does it work? well you can look through the routine section and the stats section. IMO it doesnt make a difference how much you take. more doesnt mean better. SP is suppose to reduce DHT levels and men are usually recommended to take 160mg -320mg a day. men typically have more DHT and DHT related problems so i cant imagine why a woman (normal average woman) would feel that she needs to take 10X that amount.
http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case8965.htm now this is the first time im reading that SP may prevent estrogen from binding to recepters. if thats the case then it would mean that It works again NBE. im not too sure if this information is accurate but its something to read.
if you are going to take SP just be aware of the BC warning and consider back up BC. and there are side effects like headaches and upset stomach so be careful. and dont exceed 3000mg a day. there isnt a danger that i know of but its a wast of money if it has little or no NBE effect and you there is a possibility it could prevent NBE all together.
prettysoulful
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 18 2006, 2:27 PM
SP is an adaptogenic herb. It can block both DHT and estrogen depending on what the whole body may need at the time. In general, SP displays an anti-estrogenic effect when the person has overly high estrogen levels which also prevents the body from releasing testosterone. It is believed to help displace or block foreign estrogens from filling the receptors allowing the body's natural estrogen to fill the receptors instead. SP helps promote balance no matter which hormone is out of whack.
A dosage of 160mg-720mg of SP extract should be sufficient to see results without experiencing side effects. If you have reason to believe that your testosterone levels are above normal, more may be required, but start with the dosages above for a few weeks then gradually add on to that.
Keep in mind, that lowering testosterone is a very small part of NBE for most women. Balancing estrogen(usually with herbs), prolactin(usually with massage), progesterone(with creams or nutritional supps that increase natural progesterone production), and human growth hormone(mostly with adequate sleep patterns) are all needed to increase the success of NBE.
Instead of overdosing SP, try reducing the dose and using massage(prolactin) and a heat pad for about 20 minutes. The heat helps the body naturally convert the testosterone that is present in the breast into estrogen. Effects from heating can sometimes be seen the next day, but need to done regularly for lasting results. But before you start blasting the heat for hours at a time, be aware the the temp needs to stay in the medium range and on for no more than 30 minutes per session or you may prevent growth instead.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 18 2006, 3:19 PM
i would say it safer to get a prescription DHT/testosterone blocker like spironolactone then to guess and check as to how high your levels are. if you dont know for sure you are high in androgen and you are taking 3000mg a day you might as well go see your doctor and get as prescription so at least your doctor is supervising you. i probably wouldnt go above 1000mg a day. 360 is more then enough for a man and there is no reason that most women would need more (not even for NBE). but if you find yourself getting great NBE results with 3000mg and you have no side effects then keep doing what you are doing. Prescripton drugs like spironolactone works great at blocking DHT level and it also is Known to cause NBE. so instead of self medicating yourself with herbs you can get a doctor's help to get your hormone levels under control. this is just another option to look into.
Cyan
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 19 2006, 9:59 AM
SugarQ, I think you may be mistaking extracts for berries. 320mg extract at a ratio of 10:1 is equivalent to 3200mg. However, Angela did write that she was taking the extract and not the berries...
Angela, I wouldn't go beyond the manufacturer's daily dose recommendation since some are more potent then others. That could be a reason why you are getting sick even though the dosage is lower.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto
January 19 2006, 5:58 PM
yeah you are right Cyan, the whole 10:1 equivillance thing totally left my find. thanks.