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My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 7 2006 at 6:46 PM lani (Login Laniboo)
My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
Hi Ladies! First of all, he is my program:
2 Wonderup 3X a day
1 Saw Palmetto 2X a day (450 mg herb powder in each capsule)
1 EPO 2X a day
I am pretty much copying Helen's program : ) Just because the EPO and SP are easy to get a hold of anywhere, and it's clearly working for her! Anyway, I did this exact same routine in June for a little over 3 weeks, but I had to stop because things just got to busy and I had to get my wisdom teeth taken out, so I didn't want to use herbs before surgery. Anyway, when I did this routine in June, I was on brith control (Ortho Tri Cyclen Lo) and I got tingles and shooting pains after about two weeks, and they would occur sporadically every few days! I was ecstatic! I felt like something was really happening, and it was such a short time!
THEN, I got off the routine until Sept. 7th when I started again. I also got off BCP because I thought it would help the NBE process. Now, it has been a month since I started back up the same routine (without BCP) and I haven't felt ANYTHING! The only difference is the birth control! In fact, I've gone back to having KILLER menstrual cramps, moodiness, crying bouts, etc. and this never happened before when I was on BCP and NBE! Can anybody tell me what's wrong with my routine? Why would it work before, but not now? Is there the possibility that BCP cann actually HELP NBE because it balances hormones? Please help! If there is anything I can do to tweak my routine, please let me know! But seriously, I felt like this was working before, but not now without birth control. Should I get back on BCP?
Thank you so much!!!
Anonymous
(Login Laniboo)
i forgot
October 7 2006, 11:33 PM
I also thought I might add: I took one of those online tests thingies and I had almost all of the symptoms of being Estrogen dominant. I don't know if that makes a difference or anything. I am so sad though, I looked at the pictures that I took from June-- I could actually SEE a difference from my starting picture, and my 3 week picture ( I even made sure to take it after post-period swelling). It was not that much, but it was definitely there. And now, I've compared my 1 month picture to my starting picture (from the second try around, starting Sept. 7th) and there is nothing whatsoever! I know it has only been a month, I just don't understand how I was able to get results in three weeks in June, and NONE after 1 month since September! I've massaging about the same amount, maybe a LITTLE more in June since it was summer vacation and I didn't have school, but other than that, the only difference was that I was on BCP and I'm not anymore. I gave myself a little over a month to let my body get used to not having BCP anymore, then I started WU again, but nothing is happneing! : ( No pain, no tingles, no swelling. Perhaps it could have something to do with stress as well? Since school has started, I've been much busier and more stressed out, but nothing unbearable. Can somebody please help and/or give some encouragement??? I feel like by one month, I shout at least FEEL something-- especially since I was able to in 2/3 weeks last time!
Helen
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Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!
October 8 2006, 2:46 AM
Dear lani
What I can suggest at this point is patience. Stick with it. A possibility is that your body is still adjusting after coming off the BCP.
In my case I don't recall any sensations in the first month, it was 2nd towards 3rd month when, with inclusion of massage, tingles/on-off pains kicked in and it was month 3 when I saw the first noticeable change comparing pictures. I wouldn't recommend another break as you've already been on this for a month now and you had already taken a break before, I'm sure you don't want to be wasting your tablets.
Please try to stick with it, try to be consistent with your massages, make sure you feed yourself properly, and have enough sleep. You might want to consider using a heat pad with your massage in case you are not using one already, it might encourage things, many girls find it helpful.
I cannot say whether going back to the BCP would be better for you, it's your decision. It's logical and expected for your body and hormones to experience a change having come off it. Hopefully the herbs will slowly balance your hormones and you'll start experiencing the respective advantages along with growth: milder PMS /lighter, shorter periods and further apart. This is what I truly wish for you anyway
That's all I can say at the moment, it's quite early, please carry on and be positive I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!
Try to relax and please take it easy, stress is our enemy...
Keep us posted,
Best Growing Boobie Wishes,
Helen xx
Lisa 121
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Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 8 2006, 1:16 PM
Hello Lani, it may well be that ther herb combination you were taking was just right in combination with your BCP, that means the way your hormones were because of the BCP that whatever you added just made BE work for you.
My guess is that you either need a herb to help control your estrogen levels, if you really are estrogen dominant, or to go back onto the BCP.
The BCP basically controls your hormone levels so they may have been just right at the time of taking it, and now that you are off it, your estrogen levels are too high again, hindering growth.
I am not sure what herbs there are to help with the estrogen, but it may be that you need to take less SP or adjust your routine otherwise.
The thing is that I have experienced a similar thing as you have, I never was on BCP for most of my BE experience and grew, but since being on BCP lower dosages of Fenugreek and Nettle are working brilliantly for me, I am experiencing pains most of the month now versus only for a few days before and my boyfriend keeps on commenting how much they have grown, before he was more tentative and said that he thought he could see a change but never was that positive, so the BCP herb combo is really working out well for me, and it may just be that it is the same for you.
So, either you can ask maybe Molly or SugarQ for advice on what to adjust with your routine to fit the estrogen dominance and go from there, or just go back on the BCP and do what you did before.
Helen is right, you don't have to feel tingles etc. straight away and it may take a while to adjust to the herbs and for them to work, so you could just wait it out for a while and see what happens and decide then.
I hope this helps, and the best of luck, I know how discouraging this whole thing can be, but basically you know what works for you so you can always fall back on that.
Take care,
Lisa
KC
(Login laksmi)
Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 8 2006, 3:02 PM
I wonder if your birth control was estrogen based or progesterone based? A lot of them are more progesterone, or whatever chemical they make that is similar to progesterone...if you are estrogen dominant, and your b.c. was progest-based, I could see that it would help you grow. I still think that the estrogen-dominant ladies (myself being one of them) will benefit by researching and possibly taking either wild yam creme or the progesterone creme that is derived from the wild yam. With estrogen dominance it is easy to take too many phyto-estrogens (fennel, fenugreek...) and become overloaded. But without a balance of progesterone, I think it may be difficult to grow. That is my own personal experience. Good Luck!
lani
(Login Laniboo)
thank you!!!
October 8 2006, 7:28 PM
Hello! Thank you so much for your responses! I am so glad you guys are here to offer support, because I could not do this otherwise! And there is nobody for me to talk to about NBE, so this forum has been so helpful! Anyway, what Lisa said makes sense to me, and I may end up going back on BCP anyway, because I was a much happier person with it! Plus, I'm sure my boyfriend would appreciated it a lot more lol! A few weeks ago was my first period without BCP and I remembered exactly WHY I started BCP to begin with! I had shorter/lighter periods, that were REGULAR (yay!) hardly ANY cramps, and much, much less drastic mood swings. The other week when I had my period without BCP, I was confined to my bed and couldn't get up! My period used to be so bad, but BCP helped, so I think I may get back on it anyhow, just because I have been miserable without it. And Lisa, I am glad the BCP and herbs combo worked for you! I kept getting the impression that combining herbs with BCP might affect it too much and just make things too complicated. But it makes sense that having it in your routine to balance out your hormones would help NBE. I will probably get on Nettle instead of SP if I do decide to get on the pill. Oh! And my pill was a combined pill- oestrogen and progestogen. But I do think the progestogen helped balance me out because my hormones are still out of whack, being 18. Some people get lucky and have normal hormone levels by 18, but I'm not one of them!
Does anybody know anything about how getting OFF BCP will affect NBE in the future? Like if I were to stop my routine because I have gotten the growth that I wanted, will getting off BCP affect the growth that I've already had? I will probably stay on BCP for as long as I need to (which may be several years until my hormones balance out), but just for future reference, I wouldn't want to lose all my gains if I get off of BCP after getting off herbs. Ladies, thank you so much for your advice and encouragement! It helps so much to know that there are others going through the same journey. I wish you all the best of luck!
Lisa 121
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Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 9 2006, 4:11 PM
Hi Lani, I am glad that what I said made some sense to you, if the BCP helped you with moods, period cramps etc. I would definitely go back on it.
I think in future though, EPO can help with that so if you ever go off the BCP again try taking that on its own, it may take a while to work though.
As for being on BCP and growing, Christina was on BCP as well, I think maybe even the one you are on, and grew really well, so you can check out her routine and pictures too.
I am not sure with coming off bcp and keeping growth, I wondered about that as well because people who get bigger boobs just on BCP seem to lose it after stopping.
I just figure since I never grew on BCP alone or got bigger boobs while taking it that this must be genuine growth, and hence that I should not lose it. I am hoping so anyway, I have my fingers crossed for both of us.
How did it work for you though after you came off the BCP and herbs for your break, did you keep your growth? That should give us an idea already I think.
Take care,
Lisa
Anonymous
(Login Laniboo)
not much growth to begin with
October 10 2006, 9:30 PM
What little growth I did experience did go away after I got off BCP and herbs. However, that was only about a 3/4 week period on herbs, so I didn't expect it to be permanent growth so early on. I think getting off BCP will probably throw things off balance if you get off it, so your breasts might suffer : ( I thought that since I had been on BCP for such a long time, I might have regular hormones by the time I got off... that was definitely not the case. So I'm thinking that if you get off BCP and/or herbs, but your hormones have balanced out, and your body is "regulated" then it makes sense to keep the growth. But if you get off BCP/herbs and then your body goes all out of whack again, you may or may not keep the growth from herbs. I honestly don't know, that just seems to make sense to me! I feel like that's what happened to me-- it was just that my hormones couldn't balance themselves naturally, plus it was still early days in the NBE process when I had to stop taking herbs. So I think am going to get on BCP soon because my body is really hating this irregularity! Again, thanks for all the insight!
October 7 2006 at 6:46 PM lani (Login Laniboo)
My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
Hi Ladies! First of all, he is my program:
2 Wonderup 3X a day
1 Saw Palmetto 2X a day (450 mg herb powder in each capsule)
1 EPO 2X a day
I am pretty much copying Helen's program : ) Just because the EPO and SP are easy to get a hold of anywhere, and it's clearly working for her! Anyway, I did this exact same routine in June for a little over 3 weeks, but I had to stop because things just got to busy and I had to get my wisdom teeth taken out, so I didn't want to use herbs before surgery. Anyway, when I did this routine in June, I was on brith control (Ortho Tri Cyclen Lo) and I got tingles and shooting pains after about two weeks, and they would occur sporadically every few days! I was ecstatic! I felt like something was really happening, and it was such a short time!
THEN, I got off the routine until Sept. 7th when I started again. I also got off BCP because I thought it would help the NBE process. Now, it has been a month since I started back up the same routine (without BCP) and I haven't felt ANYTHING! The only difference is the birth control! In fact, I've gone back to having KILLER menstrual cramps, moodiness, crying bouts, etc. and this never happened before when I was on BCP and NBE! Can anybody tell me what's wrong with my routine? Why would it work before, but not now? Is there the possibility that BCP cann actually HELP NBE because it balances hormones? Please help! If there is anything I can do to tweak my routine, please let me know! But seriously, I felt like this was working before, but not now without birth control. Should I get back on BCP?
Thank you so much!!!
Anonymous
(Login Laniboo)
i forgot
October 7 2006, 11:33 PM
I also thought I might add: I took one of those online tests thingies and I had almost all of the symptoms of being Estrogen dominant. I don't know if that makes a difference or anything. I am so sad though, I looked at the pictures that I took from June-- I could actually SEE a difference from my starting picture, and my 3 week picture ( I even made sure to take it after post-period swelling). It was not that much, but it was definitely there. And now, I've compared my 1 month picture to my starting picture (from the second try around, starting Sept. 7th) and there is nothing whatsoever! I know it has only been a month, I just don't understand how I was able to get results in three weeks in June, and NONE after 1 month since September! I've massaging about the same amount, maybe a LITTLE more in June since it was summer vacation and I didn't have school, but other than that, the only difference was that I was on BCP and I'm not anymore. I gave myself a little over a month to let my body get used to not having BCP anymore, then I started WU again, but nothing is happneing! : ( No pain, no tingles, no swelling. Perhaps it could have something to do with stress as well? Since school has started, I've been much busier and more stressed out, but nothing unbearable. Can somebody please help and/or give some encouragement??? I feel like by one month, I shout at least FEEL something-- especially since I was able to in 2/3 weeks last time!
Helen
(Login Helen_N)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!
October 8 2006, 2:46 AM
Dear lani
What I can suggest at this point is patience. Stick with it. A possibility is that your body is still adjusting after coming off the BCP.
In my case I don't recall any sensations in the first month, it was 2nd towards 3rd month when, with inclusion of massage, tingles/on-off pains kicked in and it was month 3 when I saw the first noticeable change comparing pictures. I wouldn't recommend another break as you've already been on this for a month now and you had already taken a break before, I'm sure you don't want to be wasting your tablets.
Please try to stick with it, try to be consistent with your massages, make sure you feed yourself properly, and have enough sleep. You might want to consider using a heat pad with your massage in case you are not using one already, it might encourage things, many girls find it helpful.
I cannot say whether going back to the BCP would be better for you, it's your decision. It's logical and expected for your body and hormones to experience a change having come off it. Hopefully the herbs will slowly balance your hormones and you'll start experiencing the respective advantages along with growth: milder PMS /lighter, shorter periods and further apart. This is what I truly wish for you anyway
That's all I can say at the moment, it's quite early, please carry on and be positive
I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!Try to relax and please take it easy, stress is our enemy...
Keep us posted,
Best Growing Boobie Wishes,
Helen xx
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 8 2006, 1:16 PM
Hello Lani, it may well be that ther herb combination you were taking was just right in combination with your BCP, that means the way your hormones were because of the BCP that whatever you added just made BE work for you.
My guess is that you either need a herb to help control your estrogen levels, if you really are estrogen dominant, or to go back onto the BCP.
The BCP basically controls your hormone levels so they may have been just right at the time of taking it, and now that you are off it, your estrogen levels are too high again, hindering growth.
I am not sure what herbs there are to help with the estrogen, but it may be that you need to take less SP or adjust your routine otherwise.
The thing is that I have experienced a similar thing as you have, I never was on BCP for most of my BE experience and grew, but since being on BCP lower dosages of Fenugreek and Nettle are working brilliantly for me, I am experiencing pains most of the month now versus only for a few days before and my boyfriend keeps on commenting how much they have grown, before he was more tentative and said that he thought he could see a change but never was that positive, so the BCP herb combo is really working out well for me, and it may just be that it is the same for you.
So, either you can ask maybe Molly or SugarQ for advice on what to adjust with your routine to fit the estrogen dominance and go from there, or just go back on the BCP and do what you did before.
Helen is right, you don't have to feel tingles etc. straight away and it may take a while to adjust to the herbs and for them to work, so you could just wait it out for a while and see what happens and decide then.
I hope this helps, and the best of luck, I know how discouraging this whole thing can be, but basically you know what works for you so you can always fall back on that.
Take care,
Lisa
KC
(Login laksmi)
Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 8 2006, 3:02 PM
I wonder if your birth control was estrogen based or progesterone based? A lot of them are more progesterone, or whatever chemical they make that is similar to progesterone...if you are estrogen dominant, and your b.c. was progest-based, I could see that it would help you grow. I still think that the estrogen-dominant ladies (myself being one of them) will benefit by researching and possibly taking either wild yam creme or the progesterone creme that is derived from the wild yam. With estrogen dominance it is easy to take too many phyto-estrogens (fennel, fenugreek...) and become overloaded. But without a balance of progesterone, I think it may be difficult to grow. That is my own personal experience. Good Luck!
lani
(Login Laniboo)
thank you!!!
October 8 2006, 7:28 PM
Hello! Thank you so much for your responses! I am so glad you guys are here to offer support, because I could not do this otherwise! And there is nobody for me to talk to about NBE, so this forum has been so helpful! Anyway, what Lisa said makes sense to me, and I may end up going back on BCP anyway, because I was a much happier person with it! Plus, I'm sure my boyfriend would appreciated it a lot more lol! A few weeks ago was my first period without BCP and I remembered exactly WHY I started BCP to begin with! I had shorter/lighter periods, that were REGULAR (yay!) hardly ANY cramps, and much, much less drastic mood swings. The other week when I had my period without BCP, I was confined to my bed and couldn't get up! My period used to be so bad, but BCP helped, so I think I may get back on it anyhow, just because I have been miserable without it. And Lisa, I am glad the BCP and herbs combo worked for you! I kept getting the impression that combining herbs with BCP might affect it too much and just make things too complicated. But it makes sense that having it in your routine to balance out your hormones would help NBE. I will probably get on Nettle instead of SP if I do decide to get on the pill. Oh! And my pill was a combined pill- oestrogen and progestogen. But I do think the progestogen helped balance me out because my hormones are still out of whack, being 18. Some people get lucky and have normal hormone levels by 18, but I'm not one of them!
Does anybody know anything about how getting OFF BCP will affect NBE in the future? Like if I were to stop my routine because I have gotten the growth that I wanted, will getting off BCP affect the growth that I've already had? I will probably stay on BCP for as long as I need to (which may be several years until my hormones balance out), but just for future reference, I wouldn't want to lose all my gains if I get off of BCP after getting off herbs. Ladies, thank you so much for your advice and encouragement! It helps so much to know that there are others going through the same journey. I wish you all the best of luck!
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: My program worked last time but not now! Why??? something to do with BCP? I need help!!!
October 9 2006, 4:11 PM
Hi Lani, I am glad that what I said made some sense to you, if the BCP helped you with moods, period cramps etc. I would definitely go back on it.
I think in future though, EPO can help with that so if you ever go off the BCP again try taking that on its own, it may take a while to work though.
As for being on BCP and growing, Christina was on BCP as well, I think maybe even the one you are on, and grew really well, so you can check out her routine and pictures too.
I am not sure with coming off bcp and keeping growth, I wondered about that as well because people who get bigger boobs just on BCP seem to lose it after stopping.
I just figure since I never grew on BCP alone or got bigger boobs while taking it that this must be genuine growth, and hence that I should not lose it. I am hoping so anyway, I have my fingers crossed for both of us.
How did it work for you though after you came off the BCP and herbs for your break, did you keep your growth? That should give us an idea already I think.
Take care,
Lisa
Anonymous
(Login Laniboo)
not much growth to begin with
October 10 2006, 9:30 PM
What little growth I did experience did go away after I got off BCP and herbs. However, that was only about a 3/4 week period on herbs, so I didn't expect it to be permanent growth so early on. I think getting off BCP will probably throw things off balance if you get off it, so your breasts might suffer : ( I thought that since I had been on BCP for such a long time, I might have regular hormones by the time I got off... that was definitely not the case. So I'm thinking that if you get off BCP and/or herbs, but your hormones have balanced out, and your body is "regulated" then it makes sense to keep the growth. But if you get off BCP/herbs and then your body goes all out of whack again, you may or may not keep the growth from herbs. I honestly don't know, that just seems to make sense to me! I feel like that's what happened to me-- it was just that my hormones couldn't balance themselves naturally, plus it was still early days in the NBE process when I had to stop taking herbs. So I think am going to get on BCP soon because my body is really hating this irregularity! Again, thanks for all the insight!