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SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006 at 8:27 AM
tms81 (Login tms81)
what is best+?? i am thinking of switching to ekstrakt, cheaper to take 2 (ekstakt) pills a day instead of 6(berry)
bonnette
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Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 8:55 AM
i have related question, how many vortexhealth Saw palmetto pills would make a an average extract pill?
Lisa, please, i am trying to follow your routine more or less but my saw palmetto pills are 540 mg and the label recommends 1 pill 2-3 time a day. So i'm not sure how much of it would make one of your extract pill.
good luck
bonnette
Lisa 121
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Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 1:39 PM
There really isn't much of a difference between the extract and the berries, some people just prefer to take the whole herb to taking the extract.
The extract I took is concentrated 10:1 so in berries that would be 3200 mg.
You have to bear in mind though that I am took 320mg of extract because of my elevated androgen levels, someone with normal levels could probably only take from 500 mg up to 2000 mg of Saw Palmetto berries with success.
Everyone has to see what works best for them and their body, so I would recommend to start with the lowest dose of SP and try that for a month or two and then ramp up slowly to more. If you check out Sunsets program, she used berries and not extract so that could be a good guideline for that.
As for the SP extract, with normal androgen levels I would recommend taking the 160 mg of extract, so that would be equivalent to 16000 mg of berries.
I would not go over the 32000 mg of berries or equivalent to that the 320 mg of Saw Palmetto extract a day.
Good luck growing to both of you and everyone else of course,
Lisa
tms81
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Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 2:31 PM
On my bottle of saw palmetto it says that i am suposed to take 6pills of 550mg a day so i guess thats much. But as i see it is much easier and cheaper to take the extract insted.
bonnette
(Login bonnette)
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 4:31 PM
thank you Lisa
the reason i set your routine more or less as an example is i tend to have excess androgens as well according to the tests on web.
Good luck!
Molly
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Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 9:44 PM
Lisa is more or less correct but not exactly correct when she says that 320mg 10:1 extract is equal to 3200mg whole berry. To be pedantic, it means that 3200mg berry was used to make the 320mg extract, which is not exactly the same. This is because extracts are not pure and only give you a percentage of the nutrients they are intended to provide, which in the case of Saw Palmetto is often 85%. Labels should give this information. If Lisa's extract was 10:1 and 85% it would be equivalent to 2720mg whole herb.
Sorry to be pedantic, but I thought I would point this out because it answers the question above about the 540mg capsules. The calculation is as follows. In clinical studies on Saw Palmetto the extract used is 320mg 4:1 and 85%, which you can see works out as the equivalent of 1088mg whole berry. This would be too big for a capsule, but divided into 2 capsules it comes to 544mg, which is rounded down to the 540mg available from Vortex Health. Therefore, in the case of Saw Palmetto 320mg 4:1 extract, a capsule is equal to 2 capsules of whole berry.
August 26 2006 at 8:27 AM
tms81 (Login tms81)
what is best+?? i am thinking of switching to ekstrakt, cheaper to take 2 (ekstakt) pills a day instead of 6(berry)
bonnette
(no login)
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 8:55 AM
i have related question, how many vortexhealth Saw palmetto pills would make a an average extract pill?
Lisa, please, i am trying to follow your routine more or less but my saw palmetto pills are 540 mg and the label recommends 1 pill 2-3 time a day. So i'm not sure how much of it would make one of your extract pill.
good luck
bonnette
Lisa 121
(Login Lisa121)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 1:39 PM
There really isn't much of a difference between the extract and the berries, some people just prefer to take the whole herb to taking the extract.
The extract I took is concentrated 10:1 so in berries that would be 3200 mg.
You have to bear in mind though that I am took 320mg of extract because of my elevated androgen levels, someone with normal levels could probably only take from 500 mg up to 2000 mg of Saw Palmetto berries with success.
Everyone has to see what works best for them and their body, so I would recommend to start with the lowest dose of SP and try that for a month or two and then ramp up slowly to more. If you check out Sunsets program, she used berries and not extract so that could be a good guideline for that.
As for the SP extract, with normal androgen levels I would recommend taking the 160 mg of extract, so that would be equivalent to 16000 mg of berries.
I would not go over the 32000 mg of berries or equivalent to that the 320 mg of Saw Palmetto extract a day.
Good luck growing to both of you and everyone else of course,
Lisa
tms81
(Login tms81)
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 2:31 PM
On my bottle of saw palmetto it says that i am suposed to take 6pills of 550mg a day so i guess thats much. But as i see it is much easier and cheaper to take the extract insted.
bonnette
(Login bonnette)
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 4:31 PM
thank you Lisa
the reason i set your routine more or less as an example is i tend to have excess androgens as well according to the tests on web.
Good luck!
Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: SP ekstrakt VS berry
August 26 2006, 9:44 PM
Lisa is more or less correct but not exactly correct when she says that 320mg 10:1 extract is equal to 3200mg whole berry. To be pedantic, it means that 3200mg berry was used to make the 320mg extract, which is not exactly the same. This is because extracts are not pure and only give you a percentage of the nutrients they are intended to provide, which in the case of Saw Palmetto is often 85%. Labels should give this information. If Lisa's extract was 10:1 and 85% it would be equivalent to 2720mg whole herb.
Sorry to be pedantic, but I thought I would point this out because it answers the question above about the 540mg capsules. The calculation is as follows. In clinical studies on Saw Palmetto the extract used is 320mg 4:1 and 85%, which you can see works out as the equivalent of 1088mg whole berry. This would be too big for a capsule, but divided into 2 capsules it comes to 544mg, which is rounded down to the 540mg available from Vortex Health. Therefore, in the case of Saw Palmetto 320mg 4:1 extract, a capsule is equal to 2 capsules of whole berry.