03-03-2016, 17:48
ramping up questions
March 7 2006 at 12:30 PM Surf (no login)
I'm confused. I have a routine outlined (on personal page). I've seen a few postings about ramping up. Some advice says to wait until your cycle is complete before even starting to ramp up, others increase the amount of herbs daily (it seems) until they reach a certain level. I have had tingles, but no real "pain". Unfortunately, after reading a posting and getting confused, I took an extra SP this morning, thinking I should ramp up. But should I have? What are the signs (physical or otherwise) for ramping up? Do you only ramp up if you have NO tingles/pain? Do you ever ramp up if you DO have tingles/pain? If you do recommend that I ramp up, what should I be ramping up to (total amount of Fengureek, SP, EPO)? I'm completely confused, any help would be greatly appreciated.
I just started and daily I'm on: 1830mg Fenugreek, 320mg SP (and I took an additional 320mg SP this morning - ugh), 500mg EPO, plus 3 massages with 2caps EPO and 1cap Fennel.
I hope everyone is having a growing day. For those in the waiting room, I hope you're comfortable, but will join us soon!
Steph
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Hi Surf
March 7 2006, 1:04 PM
Ok,IMO u should NEVER ramp up when ur already having signs on a lower dose and to do so is just putting the routine in jeporday.The ramping up "daily" is simply poor wording and I hope the girls who are recommending it also explain it better,it means adding ONE diff herb per day when ur STARTING just to weed out possible allergic reactions,I wouldnt call it "ramping up" as in "increasing doses".As to WHEN to ramp up,Im just gona be honest,all the successful growers I know of here (except maybe Tender?) didnt use any "schedual or chart" to start or ramp their herbs,Im NOT knocking it but I just dont see any neccessity OR better results w/that theory.Follow YOUR BODY's signs rather than a "one size fits ALL" chart or schedual-IMO:-) Sorry to u who will disagree but its my opinion based on the results on this board.
Angela
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Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 1:57 PM
Steph,
I see where you are coming from but I really think (at least for me) you need to take a herb for a couple of days then add another one and so on. I started on fenugreek, 1 the first day then 2 the second... For me if I don't ramp up then I would stall. But I was very tiny so my body would just shut down if I overloaded it at first. Since I have grown some I haven't tried to just start with the doses I am at. (after my breaks I mean) I was just too afraid to stall. For the people that can have nothing in their system and can go full speed ahead then I think it is great but that is not the case for me. Sorry to have confused anyone, that was not my intention.
Angela
Steph
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Just incase I worded that post poorly...
March 7 2006, 2:42 PM
Yah Angela I agree with u to add 1 herb at a time so u know which herb might cause a bad reaction,I didnt mean too go fast or too much,Im trying to tell Surf to do her ramping based on her bodies signs,growth,pains ect RATHER then some of these "designated ramping and breaking scheduals and charts" that are based on a ONE SIZE FITS ALL theory or a "this is how I grew so u should do it too" belief.I want the girls to treat their bodies,herb doses and routines on an INDIVIDUAL basis and need rather than what worked for 1-2 other people who then made a chart or something.Too many girls might start ramping up n down b/c the "chart" says and they end up missing their own bodies messages and signs.GO SLOW and listen to YOURSELF newbies,u'll "feel it" when u need to ramp up:-)
Surf
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How do you know you're stalling?
March 7 2006, 2:45 PM
This may sound silly, but I'm trying to get clarification so that I can start reading my own body. If it's working, does it mean that you are getting tingles/pain/heaviness/growth? Does stalling mean that you feel like you felt before being on herbs (none of the above symptoms)? If so, for how long (ie, haven't felt anyting for 2 days or 2 weeks)? Thanks for all your help!
Angela
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Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 2:57 PM
Steph,
I think you are right. It does take awhile to figure out how it all works and to be able to "listen" to your body. Definitly do what is best for your own body. Example: alot of people say that WY does nothing for them so it isn't really needed (no offence to anyone, it is just to make a point) but for me if I stop taking it I am a looney. I get VERY depressed and feel so bad. 2 a day works for me. It took awhile to figure that out because I had to listen to my body and I apparently wsn't hearing it. lol
Surf,
Yes if it is working then you will get your signs. If it isn't then not. I would say if you go a cycle with nothing then you need to adjust. I say a cycle because sometimes you will go a couple weeks with nothing and you think you have stalled and then you get pains again and after AF you grew. Someone else might have a different take on this. Don't take only one persons advise, listen to everyone and then listen to your gut. Alot of times you may feel a certain way but not sure so when you throw a ? out there and you get the same answer that you were thinking then you now you were right.
Angela
Steph
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We all define STALL differently
March 7 2006, 3:29 PM
Many of us stop getting signs after our period starts,to me thats commen and NOT a stall,I consider a stall to be when ur familur enough with ur bodies "NBE signs" to know when ur signs are fading or just changing in some way and its ongoing with no signs of improving or returning and again ONLY ur body can tell u that b/c its different for everyone.And for the record lol Surf-u just started so ur u dont need to ramp up,ur not stalling and try not to overwhelm ur-self with ALL the "possibilities" before they even happend.Ur getting tingels and thats good,thats ur body telling u that somethings happening!Everyones signs will vary and some girls BARELY even get the typical signs and STILL grow (I think Lisa's like that:-)
TenderTaTas
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Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 5:58 PM
Just to clarify, the "ramp-up" method I used was a guidline to slowly introduce the herbs and increase their dosages gradually. When I started really noticing a difference, I stayed where I was at even though that particular routine I was following suggested to keep ramping up. Anyway, following a schedule helped me because I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast let alone how many of what pill I took last.
I guess the bottom line is that when you feel something happening, ride it out for a while. And if it slows down, then tweak it a little. Listen to your body. And be patient.
Surf
(no login)
Thank you!
March 7 2006, 7:39 PM
Thank you for all your responses! I'll just keep my routine for a while and see how it goes. I plan on taking only the one SP (at night). I had less tingles today than yesterday (and maybe it's because I've been tense about taking the additional SP this morning). However, I am going to order Fennel extract for my massages. I can't stand the Fennel seed capsules. They are too messy and I can't seem to get them dissolved into a batter easily.
Best wishes on a growing day to all!
Surf
(no login)
Thank you!
March 7 2006, 7:40 PM
Thank you for all your responses! I'll just keep my routine for a while and see how it goes. I plan on taking only the one SP (at night). I had less tingles today than yesterday (and maybe it's because I've been tense about taking the additional SP this morning). The only chnage I'm going to make concerns Fennel (in my massages). I am going to order Fennel extract for my massages. I can't stand the Fennel seed capsules. They are too messy and I can't seem to get them dissolved into a batter easily.
Best wishes on a growing day to all!
Surf
(no login)
I didn't realize the other message posted
March 7 2006, 7:42 PM
I'll get the hang of this one of these days. Thanks for your patience.
March 7 2006 at 12:30 PM Surf (no login)
I'm confused. I have a routine outlined (on personal page). I've seen a few postings about ramping up. Some advice says to wait until your cycle is complete before even starting to ramp up, others increase the amount of herbs daily (it seems) until they reach a certain level. I have had tingles, but no real "pain". Unfortunately, after reading a posting and getting confused, I took an extra SP this morning, thinking I should ramp up. But should I have? What are the signs (physical or otherwise) for ramping up? Do you only ramp up if you have NO tingles/pain? Do you ever ramp up if you DO have tingles/pain? If you do recommend that I ramp up, what should I be ramping up to (total amount of Fengureek, SP, EPO)? I'm completely confused, any help would be greatly appreciated.
I just started and daily I'm on: 1830mg Fenugreek, 320mg SP (and I took an additional 320mg SP this morning - ugh), 500mg EPO, plus 3 massages with 2caps EPO and 1cap Fennel.
I hope everyone is having a growing day. For those in the waiting room, I hope you're comfortable, but will join us soon!
Steph
(no login)
Hi Surf
March 7 2006, 1:04 PM
Ok,IMO u should NEVER ramp up when ur already having signs on a lower dose and to do so is just putting the routine in jeporday.The ramping up "daily" is simply poor wording and I hope the girls who are recommending it also explain it better,it means adding ONE diff herb per day when ur STARTING just to weed out possible allergic reactions,I wouldnt call it "ramping up" as in "increasing doses".As to WHEN to ramp up,Im just gona be honest,all the successful growers I know of here (except maybe Tender?) didnt use any "schedual or chart" to start or ramp their herbs,Im NOT knocking it but I just dont see any neccessity OR better results w/that theory.Follow YOUR BODY's signs rather than a "one size fits ALL" chart or schedual-IMO:-) Sorry to u who will disagree but its my opinion based on the results on this board.
Angela
(no login)
Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 1:57 PM
Steph,
I see where you are coming from but I really think (at least for me) you need to take a herb for a couple of days then add another one and so on. I started on fenugreek, 1 the first day then 2 the second... For me if I don't ramp up then I would stall. But I was very tiny so my body would just shut down if I overloaded it at first. Since I have grown some I haven't tried to just start with the doses I am at. (after my breaks I mean) I was just too afraid to stall. For the people that can have nothing in their system and can go full speed ahead then I think it is great but that is not the case for me. Sorry to have confused anyone, that was not my intention.
Angela
Steph
(no login)
Just incase I worded that post poorly...
March 7 2006, 2:42 PM
Yah Angela I agree with u to add 1 herb at a time so u know which herb might cause a bad reaction,I didnt mean too go fast or too much,Im trying to tell Surf to do her ramping based on her bodies signs,growth,pains ect RATHER then some of these "designated ramping and breaking scheduals and charts" that are based on a ONE SIZE FITS ALL theory or a "this is how I grew so u should do it too" belief.I want the girls to treat their bodies,herb doses and routines on an INDIVIDUAL basis and need rather than what worked for 1-2 other people who then made a chart or something.Too many girls might start ramping up n down b/c the "chart" says and they end up missing their own bodies messages and signs.GO SLOW and listen to YOURSELF newbies,u'll "feel it" when u need to ramp up:-)
Surf
(no login)
How do you know you're stalling?
March 7 2006, 2:45 PM
This may sound silly, but I'm trying to get clarification so that I can start reading my own body. If it's working, does it mean that you are getting tingles/pain/heaviness/growth? Does stalling mean that you feel like you felt before being on herbs (none of the above symptoms)? If so, for how long (ie, haven't felt anyting for 2 days or 2 weeks)? Thanks for all your help!
Angela
(no login)
Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 2:57 PM
Steph,
I think you are right. It does take awhile to figure out how it all works and to be able to "listen" to your body. Definitly do what is best for your own body. Example: alot of people say that WY does nothing for them so it isn't really needed (no offence to anyone, it is just to make a point) but for me if I stop taking it I am a looney. I get VERY depressed and feel so bad. 2 a day works for me. It took awhile to figure that out because I had to listen to my body and I apparently wsn't hearing it. lol
Surf,
Yes if it is working then you will get your signs. If it isn't then not. I would say if you go a cycle with nothing then you need to adjust. I say a cycle because sometimes you will go a couple weeks with nothing and you think you have stalled and then you get pains again and after AF you grew. Someone else might have a different take on this. Don't take only one persons advise, listen to everyone and then listen to your gut. Alot of times you may feel a certain way but not sure so when you throw a ? out there and you get the same answer that you were thinking then you now you were right.
Angela
Steph
(no login)
We all define STALL differently
March 7 2006, 3:29 PM
Many of us stop getting signs after our period starts,to me thats commen and NOT a stall,I consider a stall to be when ur familur enough with ur bodies "NBE signs" to know when ur signs are fading or just changing in some way and its ongoing with no signs of improving or returning and again ONLY ur body can tell u that b/c its different for everyone.And for the record lol Surf-u just started so ur u dont need to ramp up,ur not stalling and try not to overwhelm ur-self with ALL the "possibilities" before they even happend.Ur getting tingels and thats good,thats ur body telling u that somethings happening!Everyones signs will vary and some girls BARELY even get the typical signs and STILL grow (I think Lisa's like that:-)
TenderTaTas
(no login)
Re: ramping up questions
March 7 2006, 5:58 PM
Just to clarify, the "ramp-up" method I used was a guidline to slowly introduce the herbs and increase their dosages gradually. When I started really noticing a difference, I stayed where I was at even though that particular routine I was following suggested to keep ramping up. Anyway, following a schedule helped me because I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast let alone how many of what pill I took last.
I guess the bottom line is that when you feel something happening, ride it out for a while. And if it slows down, then tweak it a little. Listen to your body. And be patient.
Surf
(no login)
Thank you!
March 7 2006, 7:39 PM
Thank you for all your responses! I'll just keep my routine for a while and see how it goes. I plan on taking only the one SP (at night). I had less tingles today than yesterday (and maybe it's because I've been tense about taking the additional SP this morning). However, I am going to order Fennel extract for my massages. I can't stand the Fennel seed capsules. They are too messy and I can't seem to get them dissolved into a batter easily.
Best wishes on a growing day to all!
Surf
(no login)
Thank you!
March 7 2006, 7:40 PM
Thank you for all your responses! I'll just keep my routine for a while and see how it goes. I plan on taking only the one SP (at night). I had less tingles today than yesterday (and maybe it's because I've been tense about taking the additional SP this morning). The only chnage I'm going to make concerns Fennel (in my massages). I am going to order Fennel extract for my massages. I can't stand the Fennel seed capsules. They are too messy and I can't seem to get them dissolved into a batter easily.
Best wishes on a growing day to all!
Surf
(no login)
I didn't realize the other message posted
March 7 2006, 7:42 PM
I'll get the hang of this one of these days. Thanks for your patience.