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Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006 at 9:54 AM Sally Anne (Login sally.anne)
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I was thinking about buying this book, but someone I know said that it's all nonsense and the author didn't get any results herself! Is that true?She also apparently teaches people the right phrases to say if you are trying to promote her product. I contacted her regarding this to try and find out if it was true and she called them "endorsment programs" and she gives you catchphrases to say in your testimonial so they will sound convincing even if you haven't tried her product or if you have and didn't get any results. Is this Flat2Fab thing all a complete make believe?
Lisa
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 1:32 PM
Sunset and others on here have bought the book and have found it very useful, she gives a lot of information that seems to make sense and seems to be helpful for beginning NBE.
The only thing I question is how great her success was in the short period of time she claims it happened.
Within only 4 months she claims to have grown from a AA cup to a B cup, that is a two cup increase in a very short period of time.
Looking at success from other ladies, this usually really does not happen so fast and looking at the pictures, her progress seems to be steady from week to week which I find hard to believe. I don't doubt that she grew, I just think that it is hard to believe that she grew that much in such a short period of time, I would think looking at those pictures that they show progress over a period of months and not weeks, it just seems more like a miracle than a natural, healthy process what she claims happened to her.
I think Angela had similar success but I believe it took her about 9 months to gain that much in size, and judging from my progress and others that is much more realistic.
I just think that her claim and pictures give the wrong impression and looking at her site it all seems a bit over the top and very commercialised.
That is just my opinion though and I may very well be wrong about her growth. In the end, she will be the only one who knows for sure, and she is also the one trying to sell her book.
I hope you grow and please don't expect a two cup increase in four months because those expectations will just put you down because it is very unlikely to happen.
Good luck,
Lisa
Janie
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 1:47 PM
I bought flat2fab for a reference guide really. It's easily accessible when I want to check something quickly rather than trawling through the forum. Saying that, I do also use this forun for reference, more so than BE Board as I find it very user friendly :-)
SugarQ
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 4:31 PM
the author was a member of te beboard forum and introduced her actual routine there. her routine is very simular to most women who have had success on an NBE routine. the f2f book is a copy of what women on the beboard have researched and introduced to other members and they did that for free. so most of the info in the book can be found for free on any this forum and the beboard, where it originated. there are some problems with how she describes how the herbs work and how gaba works. also on the beboard one member complained and said that some of the testimonials were fake. one came from Pammy, a member of the beboard who grew to a DD but she did that long long long before author even started her own routine or her book. plus she claimed a 90% success rate which is rediculouse. all in all the book is ok. its worth the money but dont buy too much into the claims. everyone will respond differently to herbs and we all need to find out unique balance of herbs and dosages that works well for us. you can find a routine by lookin at what has worked for womens on the beboard (routine section)or check out the eve's PP page . you will find some common elements you may want to include in your own routine.
overall, lucille had great success and was actually the first woman on the beboard forum or any NBE forum for that matter who had b/a pictures so it was a smart business move to bank on her success. she really put alot of work in the book but there are a few problems but its good.
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 8:35 PM
I think her pictures are the best I've seen, regardless of how long it took, bearing in mind that she started as an AA cup.
Sunset
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 9:04 PM
I dont consider it non scence. I find it really helpfull for a "starter guide" to you all set up and to learn the basics. The author did get results, although I have to wonder if it was really as fast as she said to.
She did not use the routine that is provided in the book (well, she did use everything she mentioned in the book-the only difference is she added geranium and ylang ylang to her massage)
But, she never once in the book said "this is what I used"
She gives you the 3 herbs for a starter. She does say they may not work for everyone, and she gives you other suggestions of herbs you can use if the 3 she starts you off with do not work.
She started out years ago on these forums (the BEboard) just like we are here. She learned from others and came up with some of her own ideas/opinions. The only diff. in us and her is she made a book about it and now probably makes millions. SO really everything we are all doing any ways is what she talks about/teaches in her book.
For someone who has tons of questions on where/how to start, about breaks,ways to "pump up" your progress, and how breasts grow in the first place, this is a good book. I personally dont follow the "exact" routine outlined in the book, but I follow it pretty closely. I also use it for a reference guide sometimes, along with some herb books I have. I have found it all very helpfull.
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
Lisa
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 9:08 PM
I don't doubt the genuineness of her pictures at all, I think they show her progress very well, I just doubt very much that she could have achieved such substantial growth in such a short period of time and I just don't like people scamming other people.
She will be making many women out there believe that growth like that is realistic within only four months time, which it is not. She actually claims that you can grow one cup size OR MORE within only three months time, which I think is a huge statement to make and one that is bound to disappoint many women who will believe in this, so she is actually no better than those other companies out there making similar claims.
You just can't guarantee such a thing, she makes it sound as if there is more chance of getting such stunning results in such a very short time than there is not, which just isn't true.
There was just a woman on another forum who is on a single herb routine as well, and who has been it for four months now. She is actually disappointed with her 1" growth. 1" growth are good results to get within such a period of time but her expectations must be so high that she actually thinks that she isn't doing well, and I just can't stand people promoting such beliefs, which I think Lucille is doing.
Good luck growing everyone, we will all get there eventually!!!
Lisa
Sunset
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Lisa
April 14 2006, 9:20 PM
I am not trying to "uphold" Lucille and I certainly am NOT spamming but in her book she clearly states that the success rate of growing AT ALL is only 67%. That to me is not being a scammer, thats only a little over 1/2 of the women who try who will get results. She says "most" not "all" ladies will get "at least" firmness and fullness if not growth.
She (in her book) also says her "progress" is the "exception" and not the "rule". I dont find any of her info "missleading" but I can see why some may. Of course not everyone will get results that quickly, if Lucilles were even that quick. If her progress was not that fast then I agree, its wrong to "pretend" that it was. I dont know if its true or not. Reguardless I enjoyed her book and find it helpfull for when I was just starting out.
Of course everyone is gonna have different ideas/views about it/her and I understand that. I just thought I would give my opinion about her info.
By the way thanks for posting that massage photo, I am sure it'll help claer up lots of confusion!
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
Lisa
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Sunset
April 14 2006, 9:37 PM
Hi Sunset, I only looked at her website and that is where she claims the 1 cup increase in three months. Since that is where people will get their expectations and ideas from first of all, THAT is what repulses me because she does not state any of what you said she wrote in her book on the initial site where you buy the book from.
I think it is just really deceptive and dishonest. I don't have a problem with her book, I would not pass any judgement on that since I haven't read it myself, I just don't like what she claims on her website.
I get where you are coming from though and do not doubt that her book is useful.
And your welcome about the picture, I thought you had explained it so well and just couldn't think of a different way of explaining it myself that I thougth a visual may help clear up the confusion, now and in future.
It was a bit of a pain finding a picture I could use, I didn't want to take a real one so I ended up taking one of those bra measuring sites, that is why the line is underneath her boobs, showing where to measure. :-)
Take care Sunset,
Lisa
Sunset
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Lisa
April 15 2006, 6:19 AM
I totally understand why that would make you angry her claiming that. We really dont know if she is truthfull about that or not but I really doubt it happened that fast either.
She had no reason to lie, she did great no matter how long it may have taken her, so IF she is being untruethfull about how fast it happened that is totally wrong. People need to understand it more than likely WILL NOT only take 4 months for results like that so dont be fooled or bummed out if it doesnt happen that way for some of you!!!
Secondly thank you for your comment on my "massage explanation" I am really trying hard to make sure those who are interested can get the hang of it. It has helped me tremendously and I only wish to pass that on with others.
And yea, I wondered what that "line" was on there..lol I understand that now..lol
You did a nice job Lisa.
Chat with you soon.
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
SugarQ
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 15 2006, 6:08 PM
the only claims i dispute is her claims of 67 or 90% success rate with her program. her program is very simular to that of what members of the beboard have formulated and i curtainly dont see anything close to 67% rate considering the fact that women have been following this guide for over 6 years. the other problem is how does one come up with those numbers? is it a guess, is it made up? and what do you condider success to be? 2" of growth or any kind of change that is notisable by the woman doing the routine?on a forum its hard for us to do a poll to see how well people are doing because we need the cooperation of a large group of women, second not everyone will participate in the same way and we all have different routines and measuring techiques.so i find is unlikly that lucille put together a group of 100 women, gave them a copy of her book and 6 months later 67% came back with a success story. the book is a guide so its not a full outlined routine. lucille didnt even flow her own book recommendations.so everyone will interpret the information differently, everyone will choose their herbs and dosages differently. everyone will buy different brands herbs. So overall its hard to decide or figure out the success rate of her book when its a guid that is open to varying interpretations. the best way to decide success is to figure out if there is a large enough potential for success by relating the info to BE with scientific evidence. that is very easy. So the book and the recommendations have a lot of support which suggests that the methods can work. but we cant yet prove how successful it is or the % of women who will find success while following the guide. this of course doesnt take away from the valuable info the book as within it. its very useful guide if you get over the fact that the claims that are made are just to get more customers and not completly accurate. i hate the fact that there may be some dishonest activity on lucille's part to sell her book but her ultimate goal is to make money. i say this cause if her first goal was to help all of use she would have done the book for free or direct us to the two beboard forums where she got alot of her info from. she would also be an active member participating in forum discussions which she is not since her book came out. the last time i saw her on a forum was when i first introduced her book to the beboard and she responded when fawn(a prominant member) attached her book, claiming that most of info in the book came from research she did. after that mess cleared up lucille was gone, never to be heard from again. maybe she had a good reason for not being helpful on forums. but it sure looks like she just doesnt want to give away info for free or she is afraid of getting questions she cant answer. after all she is suppose to be a BE expert and guru right?
i personally dont care if she were a member. i am happy for her with her BE success and her book success but just because she grew doent mean she has unlucked the secrets of NBE. Sunset is probably more of an expert then lucille is and she's been researching for a few months now. we are still working with theories and im sure by now at least a dozen women have followed lucille's routine exactly and many of them probably havnt experienced the same success in the same amount of time like she did. which makes sence since no two bodies are exactly alike.
the book is not nonsense, but maybe lucille's methods of "helping" us is.
sunset
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SugarQ
April 16 2006, 5:52 AM
nicely said
and thanks for the comment, wow You also very intelligent on NBE matters and the "technical" side of things. I am glad to have you here for the info and comments as well as support.
Your right we are all learning and discovering new things all the time. I certainly agree that Lucille didnt "unlock" the secret.
Personally I dont think there is a "secret" I think its just research and trial and error, and along the way we sometimes find more things that may help.
Sally Anne
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 17 2006, 7:16 AM
It's very interesting to read everything here. I found the author's pictures, so I see her results were genuine and very good. However it seems she is definitely asking other people to sell the book on their own websites and giving them ideas about how to make up a convincing testimonial. I also agree with SugarQ about the success rate. Unless you can state what is considered success and can indicate how this was measured or assessed, it seems to me that any figure given is meaningless.
Sanana
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 7:26 AM
I would like to ask Tiger Lily or anyone with knowledge of Chinese medicine what you think of the Flat2Fab thinking?
Tiger Lily
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 7:43 PM
I am not sure, because I didn't buy the book (too much english to read), but it sounds like pretty similar to all the information I learnt anyway on this website and on Taiwan's websites. I did much researches in Taiwan and the book information sounds like the same but using herbs instead of traditional Chinese foods. I don't think the book has any special information in it and maybe it's also lacking some Chinese medicine tips.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 9:14 PM
WOW!!! dont know if I really want to enter this BUT Sorry Sunset, I LOVE YOU HONEY!!!!! But I have to agree with Lisa121.She is a very good sales woman I can tell you that.But the way she sold her book over the net. I was actually disapointed, Don't get me wrong it is a very good refrence book. However She kinda tricks you into buying it. She sends you the first 3 chapters FREE and that's great. But alot of the info is in the first three chapters. But I might be wrong I looked at once or twice. And then found this forum. And then she starts sending you SECRETS to bigger breast And gets you hooked your curiosity gives in and these little secrets she sends says somthing like use fenugreek If you want to know the rest go to this web sit ( hers) And then tells you to purchase her book./ and she really doesnt tell you the percentage rate until you are all puped up and you basicly ignore it cause your mind is set on getting boobs. But I do have to say her pics are great. Don't be mad at me kay??? Luv you Lisaxxxxx
SugarQ
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lisa , thats how i got hooked
May 2 2006, 9:18 PM
i want planning on getting the book but i read the first three chaperts. there wasnt anything in there i didnt know already but for some reason i was hooked. i wanted to know what else she had to offer so at that point 27buck US didnt seem like much.lol. very sneaky but effective.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Yup Very
May 2 2006, 9:25 PM
You got that right! Very sneaky and misleading.Lisaxxxx That's how I got hooked.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Sunset
May 2 2006, 9:35 PM
And by the way honey I would trust your word way more than her's on herbs. hoEb is right Anything you was to say about herbs I wouldnt even blink an eye about it. I know how long and hard and how much work you put into it. I bet you could probly write your own book. Lisaxxxxxx
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hi you wonderful girls
May 2 2006, 11:01 PM
its just jelly here, so are some of you saying it was not worth getting the book. cause i felt after reading the freebies, wow i must get the book cause i will be able to increase and get big boobs !!!!!sunst said she uses it for reference. so it would appear beneficial to her and some of you (lisa and......) i forgot sorry seem to infer not much help really so what is the final verdict girls ??????!!!!!...Im a bit confused love jelly p.s. ive missed not talking you all just didn't know what to say ....
SugarQ
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 11:33 PM
thanks lisa. you are right, i could write a book but its alot of work. i have a few secrets i keep to myself but i pretty much gave up most of what i know. lol.
Sunset
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Lisaxx
May 3 2006, 3:02 AM
Hey, its ok..lol Im not mad at all We need different opinions around here on stuff.
I think the book is good for someone who asks "what herbs do I take" "when do I break" "how do these herbs even help boobs grow?" "how do boobs grow in the first place?" "how do you do the chi massage?" "what can speed up results?" and so on and so on..lol For some one who feels "completely lost" and doest "know where/how to start" I really think it would be a great help.
I dont agree w/everything she says or the "catchy" way she sucks you in, but her book is nice and it has helped me out a lot.
It has nothing in it we all couldnt learn on our own, but it is MUCH quicker just to read this book, and check back w/it when you need reference.
~Have a Wonderful Day!~
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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HEYYYYY JELLLLLLLYYYYYY!!!!
May 3 2006, 3:04 AM
Hi Girllll!
I don't think it's worth buying. To tell you the truth if I would have found this forum first I would'nt have wasted my money. Don't get me wrong it is a good refrence book But everything in the book is all here. So honey your not missin a thing.
Luvs & Hugs Lisaxxxxx
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 25 2006, 9:21 PM
I'm sure you're right. This forum seems to have everything!
twilightsrose
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May 26 2006, 8:47 AM
Hi guys...thought I'd add my voice in here since I have been on the forum off and on since Lucille started posting pictures while doing her routine. Long time ago now. I do agree that spamming people when they show interest in the book is both too aggressive and suspect (and probably all together the wrong way to promote something legitimately), although since it is a cheap e-book I doubt she is making that much money off of it anyhow. Regardless, I remember when she was posting her pictures regularly (she started after I first found the board)and the timeline was the same as she states. She posted notifications of her updated pictures regularly through the beboard. However, her results were phenonemal for someone her size and quite rare. Personally, I think she had her heart in the right place to begin with, but promotes it too aggressively. However, she could just be an opportunist... at the very least, there is now a book out there which contains the basics for people who don't have time to spend reading all the info on the forums. I know I spend time watching on at least three now and will until I finally find the success I've been looking for...
Take care all!!!
Twilightsrose
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I am sur the book is IMPRESSIVE,
May 26 2006, 11:49 AM
I am sur the book is IMPRESSIVE, to newbies, but once you have come across this forum it losses some of its appeal. And why couldn't she sell the book like most people sell their books, WHY all the mystery, leading us on with 3 free chapters. It just seemed to me it was more about advertising and promoting than really about what the book had to offer. If it was really a GOOD read it would have sold itself without all the hype!!!! None the less I believe it when forum members say it is a good reference guide to have!!!! And it may be her name as author but ladies on the boards contributed to it whether they knew it or not. Just my thoughts and opinion.
April 14 2006 at 9:54 AM Sally Anne (Login sally.anne)
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I was thinking about buying this book, but someone I know said that it's all nonsense and the author didn't get any results herself! Is that true?She also apparently teaches people the right phrases to say if you are trying to promote her product. I contacted her regarding this to try and find out if it was true and she called them "endorsment programs" and she gives you catchphrases to say in your testimonial so they will sound convincing even if you haven't tried her product or if you have and didn't get any results. Is this Flat2Fab thing all a complete make believe?
Lisa
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 1:32 PM
Sunset and others on here have bought the book and have found it very useful, she gives a lot of information that seems to make sense and seems to be helpful for beginning NBE.
The only thing I question is how great her success was in the short period of time she claims it happened.
Within only 4 months she claims to have grown from a AA cup to a B cup, that is a two cup increase in a very short period of time.
Looking at success from other ladies, this usually really does not happen so fast and looking at the pictures, her progress seems to be steady from week to week which I find hard to believe. I don't doubt that she grew, I just think that it is hard to believe that she grew that much in such a short period of time, I would think looking at those pictures that they show progress over a period of months and not weeks, it just seems more like a miracle than a natural, healthy process what she claims happened to her.
I think Angela had similar success but I believe it took her about 9 months to gain that much in size, and judging from my progress and others that is much more realistic.
I just think that her claim and pictures give the wrong impression and looking at her site it all seems a bit over the top and very commercialised.
That is just my opinion though and I may very well be wrong about her growth. In the end, she will be the only one who knows for sure, and she is also the one trying to sell her book.
I hope you grow and please don't expect a two cup increase in four months because those expectations will just put you down because it is very unlikely to happen.
Good luck,
Lisa
Janie
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 1:47 PM
I bought flat2fab for a reference guide really. It's easily accessible when I want to check something quickly rather than trawling through the forum. Saying that, I do also use this forun for reference, more so than BE Board as I find it very user friendly :-)
SugarQ
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 4:31 PM
the author was a member of te beboard forum and introduced her actual routine there. her routine is very simular to most women who have had success on an NBE routine. the f2f book is a copy of what women on the beboard have researched and introduced to other members and they did that for free. so most of the info in the book can be found for free on any this forum and the beboard, where it originated. there are some problems with how she describes how the herbs work and how gaba works. also on the beboard one member complained and said that some of the testimonials were fake. one came from Pammy, a member of the beboard who grew to a DD but she did that long long long before author even started her own routine or her book. plus she claimed a 90% success rate which is rediculouse. all in all the book is ok. its worth the money but dont buy too much into the claims. everyone will respond differently to herbs and we all need to find out unique balance of herbs and dosages that works well for us. you can find a routine by lookin at what has worked for womens on the beboard (routine section)or check out the eve's PP page . you will find some common elements you may want to include in your own routine.
overall, lucille had great success and was actually the first woman on the beboard forum or any NBE forum for that matter who had b/a pictures so it was a smart business move to bank on her success. she really put alot of work in the book but there are a few problems but its good.
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 8:35 PM
I think her pictures are the best I've seen, regardless of how long it took, bearing in mind that she started as an AA cup.
Sunset
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 9:04 PM
I dont consider it non scence. I find it really helpfull for a "starter guide" to you all set up and to learn the basics. The author did get results, although I have to wonder if it was really as fast as she said to.
She did not use the routine that is provided in the book (well, she did use everything she mentioned in the book-the only difference is she added geranium and ylang ylang to her massage)
But, she never once in the book said "this is what I used"
She gives you the 3 herbs for a starter. She does say they may not work for everyone, and she gives you other suggestions of herbs you can use if the 3 she starts you off with do not work.
She started out years ago on these forums (the BEboard) just like we are here. She learned from others and came up with some of her own ideas/opinions. The only diff. in us and her is she made a book about it and now probably makes millions. SO really everything we are all doing any ways is what she talks about/teaches in her book.
For someone who has tons of questions on where/how to start, about breaks,ways to "pump up" your progress, and how breasts grow in the first place, this is a good book. I personally dont follow the "exact" routine outlined in the book, but I follow it pretty closely. I also use it for a reference guide sometimes, along with some herb books I have. I have found it all very helpfull.
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
Lisa
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 14 2006, 9:08 PM
I don't doubt the genuineness of her pictures at all, I think they show her progress very well, I just doubt very much that she could have achieved such substantial growth in such a short period of time and I just don't like people scamming other people.
She will be making many women out there believe that growth like that is realistic within only four months time, which it is not. She actually claims that you can grow one cup size OR MORE within only three months time, which I think is a huge statement to make and one that is bound to disappoint many women who will believe in this, so she is actually no better than those other companies out there making similar claims.
You just can't guarantee such a thing, she makes it sound as if there is more chance of getting such stunning results in such a very short time than there is not, which just isn't true.
There was just a woman on another forum who is on a single herb routine as well, and who has been it for four months now. She is actually disappointed with her 1" growth. 1" growth are good results to get within such a period of time but her expectations must be so high that she actually thinks that she isn't doing well, and I just can't stand people promoting such beliefs, which I think Lucille is doing.
Good luck growing everyone, we will all get there eventually!!!
Lisa
Sunset
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Lisa
April 14 2006, 9:20 PM
I am not trying to "uphold" Lucille and I certainly am NOT spamming but in her book she clearly states that the success rate of growing AT ALL is only 67%. That to me is not being a scammer, thats only a little over 1/2 of the women who try who will get results. She says "most" not "all" ladies will get "at least" firmness and fullness if not growth.
She (in her book) also says her "progress" is the "exception" and not the "rule". I dont find any of her info "missleading" but I can see why some may. Of course not everyone will get results that quickly, if Lucilles were even that quick. If her progress was not that fast then I agree, its wrong to "pretend" that it was. I dont know if its true or not. Reguardless I enjoyed her book and find it helpfull for when I was just starting out.
Of course everyone is gonna have different ideas/views about it/her and I understand that. I just thought I would give my opinion about her info.
By the way thanks for posting that massage photo, I am sure it'll help claer up lots of confusion!
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
Lisa
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Sunset
April 14 2006, 9:37 PM
Hi Sunset, I only looked at her website and that is where she claims the 1 cup increase in three months. Since that is where people will get their expectations and ideas from first of all, THAT is what repulses me because she does not state any of what you said she wrote in her book on the initial site where you buy the book from.
I think it is just really deceptive and dishonest. I don't have a problem with her book, I would not pass any judgement on that since I haven't read it myself, I just don't like what she claims on her website.
I get where you are coming from though and do not doubt that her book is useful.
And your welcome about the picture, I thought you had explained it so well and just couldn't think of a different way of explaining it myself that I thougth a visual may help clear up the confusion, now and in future.
It was a bit of a pain finding a picture I could use, I didn't want to take a real one so I ended up taking one of those bra measuring sites, that is why the line is underneath her boobs, showing where to measure. :-)
Take care Sunset,
Lisa
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Lisa
April 15 2006, 6:19 AM
I totally understand why that would make you angry her claiming that. We really dont know if she is truthfull about that or not but I really doubt it happened that fast either.
She had no reason to lie, she did great no matter how long it may have taken her, so IF she is being untruethfull about how fast it happened that is totally wrong. People need to understand it more than likely WILL NOT only take 4 months for results like that so dont be fooled or bummed out if it doesnt happen that way for some of you!!!
Secondly thank you for your comment on my "massage explanation" I am really trying hard to make sure those who are interested can get the hang of it. It has helped me tremendously and I only wish to pass that on with others.
And yea, I wondered what that "line" was on there..lol I understand that now..lol
You did a nice job Lisa.Chat with you soon.
~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 15 2006, 6:08 PM
the only claims i dispute is her claims of 67 or 90% success rate with her program. her program is very simular to that of what members of the beboard have formulated and i curtainly dont see anything close to 67% rate considering the fact that women have been following this guide for over 6 years. the other problem is how does one come up with those numbers? is it a guess, is it made up? and what do you condider success to be? 2" of growth or any kind of change that is notisable by the woman doing the routine?on a forum its hard for us to do a poll to see how well people are doing because we need the cooperation of a large group of women, second not everyone will participate in the same way and we all have different routines and measuring techiques.so i find is unlikly that lucille put together a group of 100 women, gave them a copy of her book and 6 months later 67% came back with a success story. the book is a guide so its not a full outlined routine. lucille didnt even flow her own book recommendations.so everyone will interpret the information differently, everyone will choose their herbs and dosages differently. everyone will buy different brands herbs. So overall its hard to decide or figure out the success rate of her book when its a guid that is open to varying interpretations. the best way to decide success is to figure out if there is a large enough potential for success by relating the info to BE with scientific evidence. that is very easy. So the book and the recommendations have a lot of support which suggests that the methods can work. but we cant yet prove how successful it is or the % of women who will find success while following the guide. this of course doesnt take away from the valuable info the book as within it. its very useful guide if you get over the fact that the claims that are made are just to get more customers and not completly accurate. i hate the fact that there may be some dishonest activity on lucille's part to sell her book but her ultimate goal is to make money. i say this cause if her first goal was to help all of use she would have done the book for free or direct us to the two beboard forums where she got alot of her info from. she would also be an active member participating in forum discussions which she is not since her book came out. the last time i saw her on a forum was when i first introduced her book to the beboard and she responded when fawn(a prominant member) attached her book, claiming that most of info in the book came from research she did. after that mess cleared up lucille was gone, never to be heard from again. maybe she had a good reason for not being helpful on forums. but it sure looks like she just doesnt want to give away info for free or she is afraid of getting questions she cant answer. after all she is suppose to be a BE expert and guru right?
i personally dont care if she were a member. i am happy for her with her BE success and her book success but just because she grew doent mean she has unlucked the secrets of NBE. Sunset is probably more of an expert then lucille is and she's been researching for a few months now. we are still working with theories and im sure by now at least a dozen women have followed lucille's routine exactly and many of them probably havnt experienced the same success in the same amount of time like she did. which makes sence since no two bodies are exactly alike.
the book is not nonsense, but maybe lucille's methods of "helping" us is.
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SugarQ
April 16 2006, 5:52 AM
nicely said
and thanks for the comment, wow
You also very intelligent on NBE matters and the "technical" side of things. I am glad to have you here for the info and comments as well as support.Your right we are all learning and discovering new things all the time. I certainly agree that Lucille didnt "unlock" the secret.
Personally I dont think there is a "secret" I think its just research and trial and error, and along the way we sometimes find more things that may help.
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
April 17 2006, 7:16 AM
It's very interesting to read everything here. I found the author's pictures, so I see her results were genuine and very good. However it seems she is definitely asking other people to sell the book on their own websites and giving them ideas about how to make up a convincing testimonial. I also agree with SugarQ about the success rate. Unless you can state what is considered success and can indicate how this was measured or assessed, it seems to me that any figure given is meaningless.
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 7:26 AM
I would like to ask Tiger Lily or anyone with knowledge of Chinese medicine what you think of the Flat2Fab thinking?
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 7:43 PM
I am not sure, because I didn't buy the book (too much english to read), but it sounds like pretty similar to all the information I learnt anyway on this website and on Taiwan's websites. I did much researches in Taiwan and the book information sounds like the same but using herbs instead of traditional Chinese foods. I don't think the book has any special information in it and maybe it's also lacking some Chinese medicine tips.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 9:14 PM
WOW!!! dont know if I really want to enter this BUT Sorry Sunset, I LOVE YOU HONEY!!!!! But I have to agree with Lisa121.She is a very good sales woman I can tell you that.But the way she sold her book over the net. I was actually disapointed, Don't get me wrong it is a very good refrence book. However She kinda tricks you into buying it. She sends you the first 3 chapters FREE and that's great. But alot of the info is in the first three chapters. But I might be wrong I looked at once or twice. And then found this forum. And then she starts sending you SECRETS to bigger breast And gets you hooked your curiosity gives in and these little secrets she sends says somthing like use fenugreek If you want to know the rest go to this web sit ( hers) And then tells you to purchase her book./ and she really doesnt tell you the percentage rate until you are all puped up and you basicly ignore it cause your mind is set on getting boobs. But I do have to say her pics are great. Don't be mad at me kay??? Luv you Lisaxxxxx
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lisa , thats how i got hooked
May 2 2006, 9:18 PM
i want planning on getting the book but i read the first three chaperts. there wasnt anything in there i didnt know already but for some reason i was hooked. i wanted to know what else she had to offer so at that point 27buck US didnt seem like much.lol. very sneaky but effective.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Yup Very
May 2 2006, 9:25 PM
You got that right! Very sneaky and misleading.Lisaxxxx That's how I got hooked.
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Sunset
May 2 2006, 9:35 PM
And by the way honey I would trust your word way more than her's on herbs. hoEb is right Anything you was to say about herbs I wouldnt even blink an eye about it. I know how long and hard and how much work you put into it. I bet you could probly write your own book. Lisaxxxxxx
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hi you wonderful girls
May 2 2006, 11:01 PM
its just jelly here, so are some of you saying it was not worth getting the book. cause i felt after reading the freebies, wow i must get the book cause i will be able to increase and get big boobs !!!!!sunst said she uses it for reference. so it would appear beneficial to her and some of you (lisa and......) i forgot sorry seem to infer not much help really so what is the final verdict girls ??????!!!!!...Im a bit confused love jelly p.s. ive missed not talking you all just didn't know what to say ....
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 2 2006, 11:33 PM
thanks lisa. you are right, i could write a book but its alot of work. i have a few secrets i keep to myself but i pretty much gave up most of what i know. lol.
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Lisaxx
May 3 2006, 3:02 AM
Hey, its ok..lol Im not mad at all
We need different opinions around here on stuff.I think the book is good for someone who asks "what herbs do I take" "when do I break" "how do these herbs even help boobs grow?" "how do boobs grow in the first place?" "how do you do the chi massage?" "what can speed up results?" and so on and so on..lol For some one who feels "completely lost" and doest "know where/how to start" I really think it would be a great help.
I dont agree w/everything she says or the "catchy" way she sucks you in, but her book is nice and it has helped me out a lot.
It has nothing in it we all couldnt learn on our own, but it is MUCH quicker just to read this book, and check back w/it when you need reference.
~Have a Wonderful Day!~
Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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HEYYYYY JELLLLLLLYYYYYY!!!!
May 3 2006, 3:04 AM
Hi Girllll!
I don't think it's worth buying. To tell you the truth if I would have found this forum first I would'nt have wasted my money. Don't get me wrong it is a good refrence book But everything in the book is all here. So honey your not missin a thing.
Luvs & Hugs LisaxxxxxEpiphany
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Re: Flat2Fab breast enhancement book: is it total nonsense?
May 25 2006, 9:21 PM
I'm sure you're right. This forum seems to have everything!
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May 26 2006, 8:47 AM
Hi guys...thought I'd add my voice in here since I have been on the forum off and on since Lucille started posting pictures while doing her routine. Long time ago now. I do agree that spamming people when they show interest in the book is both too aggressive and suspect (and probably all together the wrong way to promote something legitimately), although since it is a cheap e-book I doubt she is making that much money off of it anyhow. Regardless, I remember when she was posting her pictures regularly (she started after I first found the board)and the timeline was the same as she states. She posted notifications of her updated pictures regularly through the beboard. However, her results were phenonemal for someone her size and quite rare. Personally, I think she had her heart in the right place to begin with, but promotes it too aggressively. However, she could just be an opportunist... at the very least, there is now a book out there which contains the basics for people who don't have time to spend reading all the info on the forums. I know I spend time watching on at least three now and will until I finally find the success I've been looking for...
Take care all!!!
Twilightsrose
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I am sur the book is IMPRESSIVE,
May 26 2006, 11:49 AM
I am sur the book is IMPRESSIVE, to newbies, but once you have come across this forum it losses some of its appeal. And why couldn't she sell the book like most people sell their books, WHY all the mystery, leading us on with 3 free chapters. It just seemed to me it was more about advertising and promoting than really about what the book had to offer. If it was really a GOOD read it would have sold itself without all the hype!!!! None the less I believe it when forum members say it is a good reference guide to have!!!! And it may be her name as author but ladies on the boards contributed to it whether they knew it or not. Just my thoughts and opinion.