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Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 15 2008 at 11:25 PM silhouette (no login)
I have been doing NBE for almost a year now. Since about October I have been taking Bovine Ovary off and on and have just recently noticed a large network of gross spider veins AND the beginnings of varicose veins all over my legs
Has anyone noticed the same thing after starting a routine that involves raising estrogen levels?
I read online that some high estrogen birth control pills may increase the risk of getting them.
I'm on my feet all day at work, and I exercise about four times a week lifting weights, I'm petite and fairly slender.
Anyone know of successful treatments for visible veins?
Should I stop taking the B.O. for a while or has the damage already been done?
Hopeful88
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 3:31 PM
Well I don't believe mine have really changed recently but I have spider veins too (but no varicose veins)! I would LOVE to know if there is anything natural we can do about them. The only thing I can think of would be to improve our circulation (which is good because I just recently bought some cayenne) but I don't think that will affect the ones that are already there. I think I read somewhere that vitamin K helps but I not sure. I definitely want to hear what others know about this
Oh and by the way I have no idea if it is caused by excess estroge or not. If so, than does this mean getting these spider veins AND cellulite as a teenager I am estrogen dominant afterall? Or that I just have poor muscle tone and circulation (because I do I love lounging and laying about for long periods of time).
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Mar 16, 2008 3:34 PM
Moon
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 4:10 PM
Estrogen is a risk factor for varicose veins, but one needs to have several risk factors to develop them. Apparently you do, so I really don't think it's recomendable for you to continue NBE. I would advise you to go see a doctor. Varicose veins can cause more serious problems than that they look ugly.
Hopeful88
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 4:42 PM
How come she can't continue NBE? Just curious... varicose veins are those big blue squiggly ones right? My spider veins are just a few dark little veins on my thighs, are you sure you don't just have a group of these or something?
Good luck silhouette!
Moon
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:18 PM
Depends on whether she (or anyone) has real varicose veins, which is why she should see a doctor. The main causes or risk factors for varicose veins are incereased venous pressure (sedetary work and lifestyle) and weakness of the vessel walls (genetic). Varicose veins are permanently dilated subcutanous veins with local thickenings and fibrosis of the wall and local dilatations. They're elongated and winding. The vain valves are often damaged. They cause decreased venous blood flow, which causes ishemia (lack of oxygen to local tissue), swelling of the legs, formation of cloths, and I would say they also have an overall negative effect on the function of the heart and the circulation. If NBE is what triggered her varicose veins, I would say it's better not to continue it cause varicose veins are not an insignificent health problem. Tho if hers were only a mild case, maybe she could. I think she should consult it with a doctor.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 16, 2008 6:45 PM
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:43 PM
I agree with Moon - she should definitely stop the BO and get checked out by the doctor. Bovine ovary is not standardized - that means there is no way to know just how much hormone is in each batch of pills made or in each individual pill.
Seasonal changes that cause ovulation in the cows will increase the percentage of progesterone in the ovary - so sometimes there is a greater amount of progesterone percentage per pill and sometimes there is a greater amount of estrogen percentage per pill.
This is one of the things that causes inconsistent results in the use of bovine ovary. Not everyone is taking the same amount of hormones - even if they are taking the same amount of pills.
Varicose veins are not a trifling matter. Any time we get a disturbing symptom while doing NBE we need to be very cautious. We are basically experimenting with the things we are taking - there is no assurance of safety. Our best way to reduce risk is be alert to symptoms and take protective measures when necessary.
waxingmoon
Louise
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:52 PM
I think I have spider veins now, I just thought it was from getting fat like stretchmarks - do they mean anything? Think they've been there for years.
lankygirl
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 9:30 PM
Ladies, I am taking Horse Chestnut Extract for veins. Mine have improved. Research it before thinking about taking it because it could have some interactions with things you are taking for NBE. It can act like a blood thinner alongside Saw Palmetto in some people. I take both with no adverse affects. Varicose veins totally run in my family and I've seen such great improvement. I believe Horse Chestnut Extract is supposed to strengthen the vein walls. Again, do research. Just a note, Horse Chestnuts contain something in it that is poison to people, but Horse Chestnut Extract is fine.
Kekie
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 10:34 PM
Is age a factor in getting varicose veins?
lankygirl
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 17 2008, 12:05 AM
Age is not a factor. I started showing and feeling the burning sensation from them as a teen. Age is a factor in everything getting worse however, I do believe age related problems can be slowed down and reversed to a point with healthy living. Pregnancy can contribute to the vein problem because the baby and growing belly can cut off blood flow from your lower extremities to your heart. The worst vein problems seem to be less from blood flow being cut-off and more about failing vein valves. I think eating complete proteins, getting enough vitamin C(for collagen production), good cholesterol and maybe even collogen supplements can all really help your skin, veins, organs and even NBE. At least that's what I've found from my own experimentation. For my gelatin consumption, I do not eat chicken feet soup but I do make broth out of bones and a bit of meat and it seems to work well (meaning in turns to gelatin in the fridge). I do also recommend the Horse Chestnut Extract specifically for the vein problem. All of these things seems to have helped me alot with my vein problem, my skinnyness, my NBE, my aging skin. Feeling better at 30 than I ever have in my entire life. Oh, I almost forgot. I truly believe omega 3 fatty acids can greatly improve vein health, skin health, heart and brain health and NBE efforts.
Miles
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 17 2008, 4:07 AM
I actually developed a whole network of spider veins on my legs after I began Spironolactone and began using fenugreek and my estrogen increased. They have become slowly better after about a year of using the Spironolactone. Don't know if it is just my body balancing out the estrogen or getting used to the spironolactone or what. Not doing estrogenic herbs any more and finding alot of "issues" I had are slowly clearing. Bloating, looking puffy all over, flushing, spider veins, cellulite and wrinkles. We'll see how it continues as I am due to start Vitex in a few days.
Tessica
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 18 2008, 8:03 AM
I developed one varicose vein after a pregnancy, and I did exercises like knee lifts, rested with my legs elevated as much as possible, and took ginkgo biloba and it helped a lot. It didn't do anything for the spider veins, though.
March 15 2008 at 11:25 PM silhouette (no login)
I have been doing NBE for almost a year now. Since about October I have been taking Bovine Ovary off and on and have just recently noticed a large network of gross spider veins AND the beginnings of varicose veins all over my legs
Has anyone noticed the same thing after starting a routine that involves raising estrogen levels?
I read online that some high estrogen birth control pills may increase the risk of getting them.
I'm on my feet all day at work, and I exercise about four times a week lifting weights, I'm petite and fairly slender.
Anyone know of successful treatments for visible veins?
Should I stop taking the B.O. for a while or has the damage already been done?
Hopeful88
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 3:31 PM
Well I don't believe mine have really changed recently but I have spider veins too (but no varicose veins)! I would LOVE to know if there is anything natural we can do about them. The only thing I can think of would be to improve our circulation (which is good because I just recently bought some cayenne) but I don't think that will affect the ones that are already there. I think I read somewhere that vitamin K helps but I not sure. I definitely want to hear what others know about this
Oh and by the way I have no idea if it is caused by excess estroge or not. If so, than does this mean getting these spider veins AND cellulite as a teenager I am estrogen dominant afterall? Or that I just have poor muscle tone and circulation (because I do I love lounging and laying about for long periods of time).
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Mar 16, 2008 3:34 PM
Moon
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 4:10 PM
Estrogen is a risk factor for varicose veins, but one needs to have several risk factors to develop them. Apparently you do, so I really don't think it's recomendable for you to continue NBE. I would advise you to go see a doctor. Varicose veins can cause more serious problems than that they look ugly.
Hopeful88
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 4:42 PM
How come she can't continue NBE? Just curious... varicose veins are those big blue squiggly ones right? My spider veins are just a few dark little veins on my thighs, are you sure you don't just have a group of these or something?
Good luck silhouette!
Moon
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:18 PM
Depends on whether she (or anyone) has real varicose veins, which is why she should see a doctor. The main causes or risk factors for varicose veins are incereased venous pressure (sedetary work and lifestyle) and weakness of the vessel walls (genetic). Varicose veins are permanently dilated subcutanous veins with local thickenings and fibrosis of the wall and local dilatations. They're elongated and winding. The vain valves are often damaged. They cause decreased venous blood flow, which causes ishemia (lack of oxygen to local tissue), swelling of the legs, formation of cloths, and I would say they also have an overall negative effect on the function of the heart and the circulation. If NBE is what triggered her varicose veins, I would say it's better not to continue it cause varicose veins are not an insignificent health problem. Tho if hers were only a mild case, maybe she could. I think she should consult it with a doctor.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 16, 2008 6:45 PM
waxingmoon
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:43 PM
I agree with Moon - she should definitely stop the BO and get checked out by the doctor. Bovine ovary is not standardized - that means there is no way to know just how much hormone is in each batch of pills made or in each individual pill.
Seasonal changes that cause ovulation in the cows will increase the percentage of progesterone in the ovary - so sometimes there is a greater amount of progesterone percentage per pill and sometimes there is a greater amount of estrogen percentage per pill.
This is one of the things that causes inconsistent results in the use of bovine ovary. Not everyone is taking the same amount of hormones - even if they are taking the same amount of pills.
Varicose veins are not a trifling matter. Any time we get a disturbing symptom while doing NBE we need to be very cautious. We are basically experimenting with the things we are taking - there is no assurance of safety. Our best way to reduce risk is be alert to symptoms and take protective measures when necessary.
waxingmoon
Louise
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 6:52 PM
I think I have spider veins now, I just thought it was from getting fat like stretchmarks - do they mean anything? Think they've been there for years.
lankygirl
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 9:30 PM
Ladies, I am taking Horse Chestnut Extract for veins. Mine have improved. Research it before thinking about taking it because it could have some interactions with things you are taking for NBE. It can act like a blood thinner alongside Saw Palmetto in some people. I take both with no adverse affects. Varicose veins totally run in my family and I've seen such great improvement. I believe Horse Chestnut Extract is supposed to strengthen the vein walls. Again, do research. Just a note, Horse Chestnuts contain something in it that is poison to people, but Horse Chestnut Extract is fine.
Kekie
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 16 2008, 10:34 PM
Is age a factor in getting varicose veins?
lankygirl
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 17 2008, 12:05 AM
Age is not a factor. I started showing and feeling the burning sensation from them as a teen. Age is a factor in everything getting worse however, I do believe age related problems can be slowed down and reversed to a point with healthy living. Pregnancy can contribute to the vein problem because the baby and growing belly can cut off blood flow from your lower extremities to your heart. The worst vein problems seem to be less from blood flow being cut-off and more about failing vein valves. I think eating complete proteins, getting enough vitamin C(for collagen production), good cholesterol and maybe even collogen supplements can all really help your skin, veins, organs and even NBE. At least that's what I've found from my own experimentation. For my gelatin consumption, I do not eat chicken feet soup but I do make broth out of bones and a bit of meat and it seems to work well (meaning in turns to gelatin in the fridge). I do also recommend the Horse Chestnut Extract specifically for the vein problem. All of these things seems to have helped me alot with my vein problem, my skinnyness, my NBE, my aging skin. Feeling better at 30 than I ever have in my entire life. Oh, I almost forgot. I truly believe omega 3 fatty acids can greatly improve vein health, skin health, heart and brain health and NBE efforts.
Miles
(no login)
Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 17 2008, 4:07 AM
I actually developed a whole network of spider veins on my legs after I began Spironolactone and began using fenugreek and my estrogen increased. They have become slowly better after about a year of using the Spironolactone. Don't know if it is just my body balancing out the estrogen or getting used to the spironolactone or what. Not doing estrogenic herbs any more and finding alot of "issues" I had are slowly clearing. Bloating, looking puffy all over, flushing, spider veins, cellulite and wrinkles. We'll see how it continues as I am due to start Vitex in a few days.
Tessica
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Re: Varicose Veins from high estrogen??
March 18 2008, 8:03 AM
I developed one varicose vein after a pregnancy, and I did exercises like knee lifts, rested with my legs elevated as much as possible, and took ginkgo biloba and it helped a lot. It didn't do anything for the spider veins, though.