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Side effects
June 3 2006 at 12:09 AM
Meg (Login meegash)
Hello everyone,
I am new to this NBE thing and keen to give it a go. I have read through most information on the forum and done my research on the herbs.
Does anyone else worry about the possible side effects you could experience when mixing most of these herbs? One medical website (www.drugdiges.org) said that fenugreek, saw palmetto, borage, red clover contain chemicals that may reduce the blood's ability to form clots. When taken together, they can increase the risk of dangerous bleeding. In general, these herbs should not be taken together. If you take both, however, your doctor should be informed. You may need frequent blood tests to make sure that your blood is clotting properly.
I'm a bit worried about this and am not sure which herbs I should start with and if it is safe to combine these herbs.
I am already a small c cup but would like to be firmer and larger if possible. Is there any point me taking saw palmetto?
I thinking of taking 2440mg of fenugreek a day first, with 2 or 3 other herbs.
Any suggestions which to combine and how much?
thankyou
Meg
Anonymous
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Re: Side effects
June 3 2006, 3:23 AM
I dont know, but Ive been taking all of those herbs and have had irregular vaginal bleeding the past two days. I already had my period two weeks ago, so I'm a little afraid. Not sure what it means or if it's due to the herbs. I'm going to see what happens over the weekend, and if I am still bleeding, Im calling my gyno.
Kelly
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Side effects
June 3 2006, 5:21 PM
I'm glad you said that because i thought it was just me, I had my first peroid since starting my program. It started on the 8th of may and i'm still bleading, I'm not really worried because i get the depo injection every 12 weeks and sometimes i have really long periods, but this has got to be the longest.
I'm taking fenugreek and saw palmetto together maybe this is the cause of the long period, thinking of stoping the fenugreek and see what happens.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 3 2006, 7:26 PM
you ladies are not the only ones with strange menstral problems but i really dont think its good idea to take BC with all these different herbs. they do affect your hormone balance and that can affect your cycle. i want to say its normal cause it all make sense that some women would respond this way to herbs while others may not have as severe a problem but i cant take away the urgency for women to be careful and to stop NBE if things are just too weird.
with everything we put into our bodies we are taking some kind of risk. weither its food or suppliment for NBE. there is always an alergy risk or a food poisioning risk or a cancer risk or a weight gain risk ... even with medicines that are given by a doctor. they have side effects too. some can be severe but the hope is the risk are low or at least survivable while the results are worth the risk. I personally think that all those herbs combined are safe. to me the risks are far and minimal. if you find these risk scary or not worth trying NBE then dont do it. there are some problems that can occure and some people need to be extra careful cause some side effect may be more severe for them. but there are thousands of women who are doing NBE or have dont NBE. very few report that they had a perfect experience without any pain or disconfort, weight gain, unusual menstral cycles. there have been some scary cases but from what i know all of them have been succefully handled. NBE shouldnt be problem free. you are messing with your hormones!!! some changes should be expected but its hard to say what is normal and what should be taken seriously. an 8 day flow might be your normal response to herbs and maybe it will get better or maybe you will have that response aslong as you take herbs. it could be an interaction with other meds or even a BC you are taking.
as for other side effects and risks. its just good to make sure you know what to look out for but dont freak out just yet. do more research. talk you your doctor or an expert of herbalism. take what ever precausions you feel is nessasary or just DONT DO NBE with herbs. there are many other methods that are safer. but this is not the first time women here have talked about safty and side effects. there have been 100s before this and may women have good arguments to support the concerns or dispute them. all in all these discussion only bring awarness and really havnt dont too much to discourage women from trying their luck with a herbal NBE routine. and so far no one has died or reported severe irreversable damage that is 100% linked to NBE herbs.
im not saying there is no concern but all im saying there is nothing to freak out over. the choice is simple. take the risk (if you feel the risk is small enought)and hope for the best or dont. we make that choice with just about everything else we do so i dont see how NBE should be different.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 6 2006, 3:47 AM
Wow, I've been experiencing the same thing. I got my period like 3 weeks ago and then not even two weeks later, I started bleeding again. I am also taking BC pills. I'm not sure though, that same week I started to bleed again, I was feeling really sick for three days and didnt take any herbs or BC pills so maybe that has something to do with it. Im not going to worry about it for now, but if it continues to happen I will go see my doctor about it. If there are others here that have experienced this, then maybe its just a normal reaction. Well I hope so anyways
Liz
(no login)
irregular period
June 6 2006, 4:51 PM
I took saw palmetto with wild yam for abt 1 wk & just before my period. I found that even though I was supposed to have my period, it just didn't come. I got a bit worried & now I've decided not to take these 2 herbs until my period comes. I think maybe it has something to do with the wild yam cos when I took fenugreek, I didn't have these menstrual problems but I found that I had low blood pressure. So, after all these problems, I am not sure if I should continue with these herbs even though they are supposed to help increase our boobs.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 6 2006, 5:20 PM
im starting to notice that many women who are on a BC seem to have the same problems like you ladies. maybe there is a link between all these nbe herbs and BC. i dont know but i dont think its a good idea for you ladies to mix the two just incase. ive been noticing this read on a few threads earlier had at least 1 lady claiming she had earlier flow while on herbs and BC. maybe the problem doesnt happen to everyone but its should be a consern to anyone who is suing a hormonal BC with herbs that also affect hormone levels.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 7 2006, 10:20 PM
You know what though, I have noticed other women, not on BC who have experienced mixed up menstrual cycles as well. And I mean it kinda makes since to me that this might happen with herbs, since they are interacting with your hormones. I have experienced getting two periods in a month a few times before even starting NBE, usually when starting and switching between different brands of BC as well, so I really dont think its anything to worry about.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 7 2006, 11:34 PM
you are probably right sherri. but it makes you wonder if these changes are at the very least a positive sign of something good to come or is it warning. not everyone seems to be having these menstral changes. i guess on one should freak out but still be a bit careful.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 8 2006, 4:15 AM
That is true. And everyone is so different, so what side effects one may be experiencing could be something wrong and to another not be anything wrong at all. SO I guess it's really tough to say, huh?
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 8 2006, 4:17 AM
yeah, thats the scary part? how do you know when it time to quit and see a doctor?
June 3 2006 at 12:09 AM
Meg (Login meegash)
Hello everyone,
I am new to this NBE thing and keen to give it a go. I have read through most information on the forum and done my research on the herbs.
Does anyone else worry about the possible side effects you could experience when mixing most of these herbs? One medical website (www.drugdiges.org) said that fenugreek, saw palmetto, borage, red clover contain chemicals that may reduce the blood's ability to form clots. When taken together, they can increase the risk of dangerous bleeding. In general, these herbs should not be taken together. If you take both, however, your doctor should be informed. You may need frequent blood tests to make sure that your blood is clotting properly.
I'm a bit worried about this and am not sure which herbs I should start with and if it is safe to combine these herbs.
I am already a small c cup but would like to be firmer and larger if possible. Is there any point me taking saw palmetto?
I thinking of taking 2440mg of fenugreek a day first, with 2 or 3 other herbs.
Any suggestions which to combine and how much?
thankyou
Meg
Anonymous
(no login)
Re: Side effects
June 3 2006, 3:23 AM
I dont know, but Ive been taking all of those herbs and have had irregular vaginal bleeding the past two days. I already had my period two weeks ago, so I'm a little afraid. Not sure what it means or if it's due to the herbs. I'm going to see what happens over the weekend, and if I am still bleeding, Im calling my gyno.
Kelly
(no login)
Side effects
June 3 2006, 5:21 PM
I'm glad you said that because i thought it was just me, I had my first peroid since starting my program. It started on the 8th of may and i'm still bleading, I'm not really worried because i get the depo injection every 12 weeks and sometimes i have really long periods, but this has got to be the longest.
I'm taking fenugreek and saw palmetto together maybe this is the cause of the long period, thinking of stoping the fenugreek and see what happens.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 3 2006, 7:26 PM
you ladies are not the only ones with strange menstral problems but i really dont think its good idea to take BC with all these different herbs. they do affect your hormone balance and that can affect your cycle. i want to say its normal cause it all make sense that some women would respond this way to herbs while others may not have as severe a problem but i cant take away the urgency for women to be careful and to stop NBE if things are just too weird.
with everything we put into our bodies we are taking some kind of risk. weither its food or suppliment for NBE. there is always an alergy risk or a food poisioning risk or a cancer risk or a weight gain risk ... even with medicines that are given by a doctor. they have side effects too. some can be severe but the hope is the risk are low or at least survivable while the results are worth the risk. I personally think that all those herbs combined are safe. to me the risks are far and minimal. if you find these risk scary or not worth trying NBE then dont do it. there are some problems that can occure and some people need to be extra careful cause some side effect may be more severe for them. but there are thousands of women who are doing NBE or have dont NBE. very few report that they had a perfect experience without any pain or disconfort, weight gain, unusual menstral cycles. there have been some scary cases but from what i know all of them have been succefully handled. NBE shouldnt be problem free. you are messing with your hormones!!! some changes should be expected but its hard to say what is normal and what should be taken seriously. an 8 day flow might be your normal response to herbs and maybe it will get better or maybe you will have that response aslong as you take herbs. it could be an interaction with other meds or even a BC you are taking.
as for other side effects and risks. its just good to make sure you know what to look out for but dont freak out just yet. do more research. talk you your doctor or an expert of herbalism. take what ever precausions you feel is nessasary or just DONT DO NBE with herbs. there are many other methods that are safer. but this is not the first time women here have talked about safty and side effects. there have been 100s before this and may women have good arguments to support the concerns or dispute them. all in all these discussion only bring awarness and really havnt dont too much to discourage women from trying their luck with a herbal NBE routine. and so far no one has died or reported severe irreversable damage that is 100% linked to NBE herbs.
im not saying there is no concern but all im saying there is nothing to freak out over. the choice is simple. take the risk (if you feel the risk is small enought)and hope for the best or dont. we make that choice with just about everything else we do so i dont see how NBE should be different.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 6 2006, 3:47 AM
Wow, I've been experiencing the same thing. I got my period like 3 weeks ago and then not even two weeks later, I started bleeding again. I am also taking BC pills. I'm not sure though, that same week I started to bleed again, I was feeling really sick for three days and didnt take any herbs or BC pills so maybe that has something to do with it. Im not going to worry about it for now, but if it continues to happen I will go see my doctor about it. If there are others here that have experienced this, then maybe its just a normal reaction. Well I hope so anyways
Liz
(no login)
irregular period
June 6 2006, 4:51 PM
I took saw palmetto with wild yam for abt 1 wk & just before my period. I found that even though I was supposed to have my period, it just didn't come. I got a bit worried & now I've decided not to take these 2 herbs until my period comes. I think maybe it has something to do with the wild yam cos when I took fenugreek, I didn't have these menstrual problems but I found that I had low blood pressure. So, after all these problems, I am not sure if I should continue with these herbs even though they are supposed to help increase our boobs.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 6 2006, 5:20 PM
im starting to notice that many women who are on a BC seem to have the same problems like you ladies. maybe there is a link between all these nbe herbs and BC. i dont know but i dont think its a good idea for you ladies to mix the two just incase. ive been noticing this read on a few threads earlier had at least 1 lady claiming she had earlier flow while on herbs and BC. maybe the problem doesnt happen to everyone but its should be a consern to anyone who is suing a hormonal BC with herbs that also affect hormone levels.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 7 2006, 10:20 PM
You know what though, I have noticed other women, not on BC who have experienced mixed up menstrual cycles as well. And I mean it kinda makes since to me that this might happen with herbs, since they are interacting with your hormones. I have experienced getting two periods in a month a few times before even starting NBE, usually when starting and switching between different brands of BC as well, so I really dont think its anything to worry about.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 7 2006, 11:34 PM
you are probably right sherri. but it makes you wonder if these changes are at the very least a positive sign of something good to come or is it warning. not everyone seems to be having these menstral changes. i guess on one should freak out but still be a bit careful.
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Side effects
June 8 2006, 4:15 AM
That is true. And everyone is so different, so what side effects one may be experiencing could be something wrong and to another not be anything wrong at all. SO I guess it's really tough to say, huh?
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Side effects
June 8 2006, 4:17 AM
yeah, thats the scary part? how do you know when it time to quit and see a doctor?