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VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 9 2007 at 11:40 AM Liz (Login Liz1967)
As you know I was on herbs. I had a little of swelling but it all went away when I stopped.
Then some cysts apeared in my boobs.
I went to a doctor (gynecologist) and it told me to do a hormonal study. He told perhaps it is an excess of prolactine.
He prescribed me some pills to lower levels of prolactine.
Now I ask:
1 - Can it all be because of NBE?
2 - These pills will be going to alter my boobs? Will my boobs be smaller with this pills?
3 - I wanted to take herbs again, but now with this pills I dont know. Will it have influence in NBE?
I'M VERY VERY CONFUSE AND WORRIED. Please help me.
There are some girls in this forum that know a lot about this hormones stuff, please give me a light on this matter.
Wenonae
(Login wenonae)
SENIOR MEMBER
Very tricky question...
October 9 2007, 6:29 PM
This is my two cents for you. If you are working with a doctor...work with them fully. Don't mix any herbs or extra OTC stuffs on your own- walk through it all with them.
Ans 1.) I don't see any reason why you can't take the pills. I too had what my gyno called fibrocystics breasts, however, I just did reiki massage for cleansing to get 'rid' of them. Another way is skin brushing. If you're still doing massaging...take a break from it for now.
Ans 2.) It probably will reduce it some if all the cysts get reduced.
Ans 3.) Again, don't even think about doing both herbs and this pills. They will conflict and mess with your system.
Wen'
Kate
(no login)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 9 2007, 7:17 PM
Liz, did you have cysts before taking herbs?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 10 2007, 2:03 PM
No kate I had no cysts before.
I had a boob exame 2 years ago and nothing.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 10 2007, 7:17 PM
Liz,
If you did not have fibrocystic breast before then it is quite possible the herbs were somehow involved. Too much estrogen can cause fibrocystic breast problems (as well as other things). The herbs may have upped your estrogen level above what your natural progesterone could handle. If you went out of balance in these two hormones then this might have caused the problem.
I am curious. Did your doctor determine through a test that you have too much prolactin or is it just his guess?
The pills your doctor proscribed may or may not have any affect on your breast size.
Remember it is always okay to question what your doctor is proscribing or what diagnosis you have been given. If you don't think the doctor got it right or you don't like the treatment plan then go to another doctor for a second opinion. Remember - doctors are just people - sometimes the make mistakes, sometimes they guess wrong - even when they mean well.
But also remember - if you don't know as much about a subject as your doctor, you either have to learn more, seek another opinion or trust that doctor to provide the best solution for you.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Kate
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Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 8:57 AM
Liz, since you didn't have them before the herbs, I agree with waxingmoon completely. Cysts are often a symptom of increased estrogen, so make sure your doctor tests you and checks into that, too, not just the prolactin. I have heard of people getting cysts from phytoestrogens, but I'm not familiar enough with your program to know how much it contains.
Good luck.
Alison
(Login Alison.)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 9:59 AM
If I've understood you correctly, and thinking about your previous posts too, this problem happened some time after you stopped taking herbs. Is that right? Regarding phytoestrogens, I remember reading that they are claimed to be helpful in cases of fibroid cysts and that some women say they helped this problem by taking herbs with phytoestrogens.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 12:59 PM
Any nbe will increase a cyst that is growing or a tumour as you are feeding it with more hormones which is why all this isn't recommended for people with previous breast cancer. Not sure if it should cause a new cyst to arise but a cyst is only some trapped fluid so maybe it's similar to when nbe causes boob swelling?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 1:54 PM
Weel, I'm back.
Went to my gyno and my hormone tests are normal, not too much prolactine after all.
So he told me to take the pill to regulate my period and my cysts.
I have no breath cancer, only small cysts on my boobs and now I will take the pill to regulate all this.
I have new questions now:
1 - BCP and NBE? What abou it? NBE reduces the efect on BCP?
2 - Can I still try taking herbs with BCP?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 2:08 PM
This is at the PM section:
"Hi, the PM pills and the BCP will likely "cancel each other out" ...the BCP might not work as well and you NEED it to and the PM might not have any effect because the two compound actually "compete for the same receptor sites ...the estrogen receptor sites in hormone dependant tissues. Best not to combine them..."
Will BCP and all NBE cancel each other out? Or Just PM? The other herbs like the ones I'm taking have the same effect? Please explain to me...
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 2:48 PM
I emailed pueraria.co.uk and they said there is no interaction with their products. The wonderup website also says that it doesn't affect the pill and people have grown on both with the pill. I'm not sure about all this receptor site stuff as the hormones in the pill are way stronger than herbs, more like HRT but someone said still a very small amount compared to what's in the body. Maybe we have a lot more receptors than we think?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 3:40 PM
Do you know if there are many girls here that are on the pill (BCP) and NBE at the same time with positive results and no side effects?
sheep
(no login)
wait a minute
October 18 2007, 6:14 PM
can u massage fibrocystic breasts or not? How about if u are using progesterone creme?I am using pc and have fibrosystic breasts and i thought progesterone creme helped this
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 19 2007, 8:53 AM
I believe you can use progesterone cream on fibrocystic breasts. Sometimes doctor prescribe it.
dunny
(Login lil_dunny)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 19 2007, 8:05 PM
in order to be able to do reiki massage, one has to be attuned to reiki. reiki attunements are passed on from a reiki master, usually in 1 or 2 day workshop-type situation. there are multiple levels of reiki attunements, though level 1 is sufficient to be able to do reiki massage. then, to do massage, simply initiate reiki flow and do massage while it's flowing.
October 9 2007 at 11:40 AM Liz (Login Liz1967)
As you know I was on herbs. I had a little of swelling but it all went away when I stopped.
Then some cysts apeared in my boobs.
I went to a doctor (gynecologist) and it told me to do a hormonal study. He told perhaps it is an excess of prolactine.
He prescribed me some pills to lower levels of prolactine.
Now I ask:
1 - Can it all be because of NBE?
2 - These pills will be going to alter my boobs? Will my boobs be smaller with this pills?
3 - I wanted to take herbs again, but now with this pills I dont know. Will it have influence in NBE?
I'M VERY VERY CONFUSE AND WORRIED. Please help me.
There are some girls in this forum that know a lot about this hormones stuff, please give me a light on this matter.
Wenonae
(Login wenonae)
SENIOR MEMBER
Very tricky question...
October 9 2007, 6:29 PM
This is my two cents for you. If you are working with a doctor...work with them fully. Don't mix any herbs or extra OTC stuffs on your own- walk through it all with them.
Ans 1.) I don't see any reason why you can't take the pills. I too had what my gyno called fibrocystics breasts, however, I just did reiki massage for cleansing to get 'rid' of them. Another way is skin brushing. If you're still doing massaging...take a break from it for now.
Ans 2.) It probably will reduce it some if all the cysts get reduced.
Ans 3.) Again, don't even think about doing both herbs and this pills. They will conflict and mess with your system.
Wen'
Kate
(no login)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 9 2007, 7:17 PM
Liz, did you have cysts before taking herbs?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 10 2007, 2:03 PM
No kate I had no cysts before.
I had a boob exame 2 years ago and nothing.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 10 2007, 7:17 PM
Liz,
If you did not have fibrocystic breast before then it is quite possible the herbs were somehow involved. Too much estrogen can cause fibrocystic breast problems (as well as other things). The herbs may have upped your estrogen level above what your natural progesterone could handle. If you went out of balance in these two hormones then this might have caused the problem.
I am curious. Did your doctor determine through a test that you have too much prolactin or is it just his guess?
The pills your doctor proscribed may or may not have any affect on your breast size.
Remember it is always okay to question what your doctor is proscribing or what diagnosis you have been given. If you don't think the doctor got it right or you don't like the treatment plan then go to another doctor for a second opinion. Remember - doctors are just people - sometimes the make mistakes, sometimes they guess wrong - even when they mean well.
But also remember - if you don't know as much about a subject as your doctor, you either have to learn more, seek another opinion or trust that doctor to provide the best solution for you.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Kate
(no login)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 8:57 AM
Liz, since you didn't have them before the herbs, I agree with waxingmoon completely. Cysts are often a symptom of increased estrogen, so make sure your doctor tests you and checks into that, too, not just the prolactin. I have heard of people getting cysts from phytoestrogens, but I'm not familiar enough with your program to know how much it contains.
Good luck.
Alison
(Login Alison.)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 9:59 AM
If I've understood you correctly, and thinking about your previous posts too, this problem happened some time after you stopped taking herbs. Is that right? Regarding phytoestrogens, I remember reading that they are claimed to be helpful in cases of fibroid cysts and that some women say they helped this problem by taking herbs with phytoestrogens.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 11 2007, 12:59 PM
Any nbe will increase a cyst that is growing or a tumour as you are feeding it with more hormones which is why all this isn't recommended for people with previous breast cancer. Not sure if it should cause a new cyst to arise but a cyst is only some trapped fluid so maybe it's similar to when nbe causes boob swelling?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 1:54 PM
Weel, I'm back.
Went to my gyno and my hormone tests are normal, not too much prolactine after all.
So he told me to take the pill to regulate my period and my cysts.
I have no breath cancer, only small cysts on my boobs and now I will take the pill to regulate all this.
I have new questions now:
1 - BCP and NBE? What abou it? NBE reduces the efect on BCP?
2 - Can I still try taking herbs with BCP?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 2:08 PM
This is at the PM section:
"Hi, the PM pills and the BCP will likely "cancel each other out" ...the BCP might not work as well and you NEED it to and the PM might not have any effect because the two compound actually "compete for the same receptor sites ...the estrogen receptor sites in hormone dependant tissues. Best not to combine them..."
Will BCP and all NBE cancel each other out? Or Just PM? The other herbs like the ones I'm taking have the same effect? Please explain to me...
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 2:48 PM
I emailed pueraria.co.uk and they said there is no interaction with their products. The wonderup website also says that it doesn't affect the pill and people have grown on both with the pill. I'm not sure about all this receptor site stuff as the hormones in the pill are way stronger than herbs, more like HRT but someone said still a very small amount compared to what's in the body. Maybe we have a lot more receptors than we think?
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 18 2007, 3:40 PM
Do you know if there are many girls here that are on the pill (BCP) and NBE at the same time with positive results and no side effects?
sheep
(no login)
wait a minute
October 18 2007, 6:14 PM
can u massage fibrocystic breasts or not? How about if u are using progesterone creme?I am using pc and have fibrosystic breasts and i thought progesterone creme helped this
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 19 2007, 8:53 AM
I believe you can use progesterone cream on fibrocystic breasts. Sometimes doctor prescribe it.
dunny
(Login lil_dunny)
Re: VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH AND NBE
October 19 2007, 8:05 PM
in order to be able to do reiki massage, one has to be attuned to reiki. reiki attunements are passed on from a reiki master, usually in 1 or 2 day workshop-type situation. there are multiple levels of reiki attunements, though level 1 is sufficient to be able to do reiki massage. then, to do massage, simply initiate reiki flow and do massage while it's flowing.