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dangers of NBE?
December 19 2006 at 3:21 AM TwinkieStar (Login TwinkieStar)
I'm new as everyone probably knows. I'm really interested in trying the stuff out, but I'm afraid that it could be bad in the long run (like cancer). Has anyone heard of any correlations between the herbs and any potential dangers?
I once looked into the bovine thing, until I heard that it may cause cancer. Not to freak anyone out. I'm just trying to get as much research first into the health of the herbs before starting.
Right now I've begun just the massaging, and I think it's doing something. My boobs hurt constantly, although it's not unbearable. And it's only been a few days.
Sabrina
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 4:03 PM
I also heard that taking bovine ovary could lead to cancer, but I'm not sure how reliable that information is. On the other hand herbs are a different matter, because most people believe that herbs protect against cancer and other degenerative diseases. As others have posted here before, populations with a higher than average intake of phytoestrogens have a lower than average incidence of breast cancer.
Sabrina
emmie
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interested
December 21 2006, 5:13 PM
i would like to know where the cancer rumors are coming from, as i have done quite a lot of research on bo since i am using it in my program and have seen nothing about this... not even a mention of it... ive seen the paranoia about mad cow, but absolutely nothing about any cancer risk. i dont really see how it would cause cancer in the first place, but hey, maybe i missed something...
im not asking to be harassing or obnoxious, i just really want to know where this info is coming from so i can read it!
hugs
Henri
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curious
December 21 2006, 5:24 PM
everyone is worried about the bo and herbs possibly causing cancer, has anyone thought of the different foods we eat every day possibly causing cancer? All the preservatives and what about the medication we take, what would the long term effects of those be? And all the synthetic hormones we consume through bcp. (I am not against bcp, just an example)
I am just as concerned about cancer as well, but we really don't know what we consume daily that could be cancer causing agents.
I am not trying to obnoxious either ~ just curious.
Daisy
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 7:33 PM
There was a cancer scare concerning bovine ovary in 1999 which resulted in some companies stopping selling it. I've been trying to research this just recently, but so far I haven't found any information on it.
Katrina
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 8:54 PM
That theory only came after the mad cow disease scare around that same time that the government put out. If you want to avoid mad cow disease, only eat grass fed cows or cows that are fed without hormones and anti-biotics. In other words, go ORGANIC!
If you do research you will find that boutiful breast and botanical beauty lab's bovine ovaries are just this. They are organic ovaries from cows that are not shot up with hormones and anti-biotics, which causes their immune system to become weakened and therefore they can (in rare cases) cary diseases that can be passed on to humans.
So I hope I cleared everything up. No need to worry it you follow this advice.
By the way, some herbs contain many pesticides that can also cause cancer so go organic with herbs as well!
Boobies06
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 10:08 PM
Most people here are convinced that these herbs can't cause cancer. Most doctors say that while people who consume phytoestrogens with their food seem to show lower rates of breast cancer, that if these herbs aren't taken every now and then with a meal that they just happen to be cooked with (like fenugreek in curry), and if these herbs are just taken to purposely enhance breast size, then cancer is likely (kind of a "too much of a good thing" effect I guess). I don't know what to believe. Personally, I don't think there have been enough official studies done on this, otherwise the breast world would be revolutionized.
Personally, I'm taking my chances. My NBE program includes a lot of boobie-friendly things and foods. Massaging is something that my doctor tells me is a great idea to keep the cancer away. My diet also doesn't contain too much red meat (hardly any). And after I'm done with my program (hopefully with success) I'll just try and follow every breast-health program out there.
mitharatowen
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 3:58 AM
ive heard that soy isoflavones increase estrogen and cause cancer. ive also read that phytoestrogens protect against cancer. so i dont know. i do really beleive that there is a conspiracy against herbs by the medical community becaase they want to sell their drugs. people are generally taught that "alternitive" medican is a quack. i completely disagree with that and i think that often times, traditional medicine is actually the quackery. so im choosing to believe the "protect against cancer" part because it sounds like scare tactics to me. but thats just my opinion
if there were a bunch of women on here coming down with breast cancer, id shange my mind im sure. but i havent heard anything about that yet from our lovely ladies 
TwinkieStar
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dangers of other things out there
December 22 2006, 4:53 AM
I agree that we really don't know what we're putting in our body nowadays. I mean, really, if you go and read some of the side effects of drugs out there, it's scary! Those aren't natural. That's why I hardly ever take any medication, only tylenol if anything.
I used to look down upon herbal medicine, didn't believe in it, but then my sister got sick last year. And the doctors prescribed all this medication that only made her worse. She felt that what helped her the most was Chinese herbal medicine. I gave it some thinking...back when there weren't all these synthetic drugs out there, there must have been methods for people to get better. And it's more natural, so the bodies are able to process it better and heal itself better.
I once heard this woman on the radio. She said that she was diagnosed with a terminal cancer. After the diagnosis, she went all natural. Cooked all her food, made sure it was organic, ate real healthy. She said that the cancer went away and it's been years since she was supposed to have died, according to the doctors' reports.
btw, I think it may have been around 1999 when I did the research on bo. I know that it was a few years ago. I had visited this forum where a few women had said that they got cancer from bo.
Darisha
(Login Darisha)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 6:07 AM
I certainly agree with the fact that doctors are anti anything natural but I still think that we should all take caution with herbs as they are just as potent as drugs even though they are natural. I'd say listen to your body. I took absolutely minimal herbs with severe side effects of dizziness and loss of appetite. This can't be a good thing in the long run. As for cancer, it can take up to ten years to fully develop so I doubt if anyone on this forum is going to suddenly come down with breast cancer within 12 months.
organic angel
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Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 7:01 AM
I have to add to this thread, because as you can probably guess by my name, I'm totally anti-chemical; anti-synthetic drug (unless it's in emergency medicine); and will drive miles out of the way, to get organic, unadulterated products. All foods; medicines; plants; natural ocurring elements have safety limits. Even drinking too much water will offset your bodies electrolytes and cause cramping; irregular heart, etc. All good things have limits, and precautions.
Taking BO myself, I've researched extensively, and take the generic BO, but it is ONLY from grass-fed; hormone free resources. (New Zealand). Mad cow disease is usually presented in the nervous system components. (ie. nerves; spinal cord or tissue; brain tissues) I cannot verify that there is or isn't any nerves in the BO, but I know that there is not any spinal cord tissues or brain tissues, that mad cow is usually present in.
Herbs and plants all have risks as well. Many, many herbs cause blood thinning, and are added to pre-surgery lists of medications/supplements to avoid. Vit-E; Gingo; Red Clover. Here are some examples of some of the very common nbe herbs, and some of their safety precautions.
FENUGREEK: High dosing can cause miscarriage. If you are allergic to peanuts, it is
advised that you not take fenugreek.
WILD YAM: Can aggrevate andometriosis, and if you tend to be more estrogen dominant,
than this will only put you into estrogen dominance, which carries all sorts
of unpleasant side-affects. Breast cancer and weight gain are a couple.
VITEX: Too high dosing will excasberate mental conditions. Depression; psychoses;
Schizophrenia. Often cause breakthrough bleeding between periods. Headaches.
Hair loss. Nausea. Rapid heart rate (tachycardia).
So all good things have precautions and side affects. We need to use good judgement on what is the right fit for our bodies. Take stock in what health conditions might be aggrevated if you take a certain supplement. Always stay in tune with your body. If you start taking something, and things don't feel right....they aren't right.
Go with organic sources whenever possible. More isn't necessarily better. And listen to your body.
emmie
(Login emmiedee)
whoa!
December 22 2006, 4:35 PM
thanks for the information, ladies! ask for information and ye shall receive, i suppose. i was a bit curious because i could not find the cancer link to bo when i researched it before... it makes sense that someone would come up with that especially during the mad cow scare.
thanks for the info, ladies... hopefully you have put some minds at ease but have encouraged caution not just for nbe but for general living!
December 19 2006 at 3:21 AM TwinkieStar (Login TwinkieStar)
I'm new as everyone probably knows. I'm really interested in trying the stuff out, but I'm afraid that it could be bad in the long run (like cancer). Has anyone heard of any correlations between the herbs and any potential dangers?
I once looked into the bovine thing, until I heard that it may cause cancer. Not to freak anyone out. I'm just trying to get as much research first into the health of the herbs before starting.
Right now I've begun just the massaging, and I think it's doing something. My boobs hurt constantly, although it's not unbearable. And it's only been a few days.
Sabrina
(Login Sabrina.)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 4:03 PM
I also heard that taking bovine ovary could lead to cancer, but I'm not sure how reliable that information is. On the other hand herbs are a different matter, because most people believe that herbs protect against cancer and other degenerative diseases. As others have posted here before, populations with a higher than average intake of phytoestrogens have a lower than average incidence of breast cancer.
Sabrina
emmie
(Login emmiedee)
interested
December 21 2006, 5:13 PM
i would like to know where the cancer rumors are coming from, as i have done quite a lot of research on bo since i am using it in my program and have seen nothing about this... not even a mention of it... ive seen the paranoia about mad cow, but absolutely nothing about any cancer risk. i dont really see how it would cause cancer in the first place, but hey, maybe i missed something...
im not asking to be harassing or obnoxious, i just really want to know where this info is coming from so i can read it!
hugs
Henri
(Login henriettahippo)
SENIOR MEMBER
curious
December 21 2006, 5:24 PM
everyone is worried about the bo and herbs possibly causing cancer, has anyone thought of the different foods we eat every day possibly causing cancer? All the preservatives and what about the medication we take, what would the long term effects of those be? And all the synthetic hormones we consume through bcp. (I am not against bcp, just an example)
I am just as concerned about cancer as well, but we really don't know what we consume daily that could be cancer causing agents.
I am not trying to obnoxious either ~ just curious.
Daisy
(no login)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 7:33 PM
There was a cancer scare concerning bovine ovary in 1999 which resulted in some companies stopping selling it. I've been trying to research this just recently, but so far I haven't found any information on it.
Katrina
(Login mountainkat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 8:54 PM
That theory only came after the mad cow disease scare around that same time that the government put out. If you want to avoid mad cow disease, only eat grass fed cows or cows that are fed without hormones and anti-biotics. In other words, go ORGANIC!
If you do research you will find that boutiful breast and botanical beauty lab's bovine ovaries are just this. They are organic ovaries from cows that are not shot up with hormones and anti-biotics, which causes their immune system to become weakened and therefore they can (in rare cases) cary diseases that can be passed on to humans.
So I hope I cleared everything up. No need to worry it you follow this advice.
By the way, some herbs contain many pesticides that can also cause cancer so go organic with herbs as well!
Boobies06
(Login boobies06)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 21 2006, 10:08 PM
Most people here are convinced that these herbs can't cause cancer. Most doctors say that while people who consume phytoestrogens with their food seem to show lower rates of breast cancer, that if these herbs aren't taken every now and then with a meal that they just happen to be cooked with (like fenugreek in curry), and if these herbs are just taken to purposely enhance breast size, then cancer is likely (kind of a "too much of a good thing" effect I guess). I don't know what to believe. Personally, I don't think there have been enough official studies done on this, otherwise the breast world would be revolutionized.
Personally, I'm taking my chances. My NBE program includes a lot of boobie-friendly things and foods. Massaging is something that my doctor tells me is a great idea to keep the cancer away. My diet also doesn't contain too much red meat (hardly any). And after I'm done with my program (hopefully with success) I'll just try and follow every breast-health program out there.
mitharatowen
(Login mitharatowen)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 3:58 AM
ive heard that soy isoflavones increase estrogen and cause cancer. ive also read that phytoestrogens protect against cancer. so i dont know. i do really beleive that there is a conspiracy against herbs by the medical community becaase they want to sell their drugs. people are generally taught that "alternitive" medican is a quack. i completely disagree with that and i think that often times, traditional medicine is actually the quackery. so im choosing to believe the "protect against cancer" part because it sounds like scare tactics to me. but thats just my opinion
if there were a bunch of women on here coming down with breast cancer, id shange my mind im sure. but i havent heard anything about that yet from our lovely ladies TwinkieStar
(no login)
dangers of other things out there
December 22 2006, 4:53 AM
I agree that we really don't know what we're putting in our body nowadays. I mean, really, if you go and read some of the side effects of drugs out there, it's scary! Those aren't natural. That's why I hardly ever take any medication, only tylenol if anything.
I used to look down upon herbal medicine, didn't believe in it, but then my sister got sick last year. And the doctors prescribed all this medication that only made her worse. She felt that what helped her the most was Chinese herbal medicine. I gave it some thinking...back when there weren't all these synthetic drugs out there, there must have been methods for people to get better. And it's more natural, so the bodies are able to process it better and heal itself better.
I once heard this woman on the radio. She said that she was diagnosed with a terminal cancer. After the diagnosis, she went all natural. Cooked all her food, made sure it was organic, ate real healthy. She said that the cancer went away and it's been years since she was supposed to have died, according to the doctors' reports.
btw, I think it may have been around 1999 when I did the research on bo. I know that it was a few years ago. I had visited this forum where a few women had said that they got cancer from bo.
Darisha
(Login Darisha)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 6:07 AM
I certainly agree with the fact that doctors are anti anything natural but I still think that we should all take caution with herbs as they are just as potent as drugs even though they are natural. I'd say listen to your body. I took absolutely minimal herbs with severe side effects of dizziness and loss of appetite. This can't be a good thing in the long run. As for cancer, it can take up to ten years to fully develop so I doubt if anyone on this forum is going to suddenly come down with breast cancer within 12 months.
organic angel
(Login organic_angel)
Re: dangers of NBE?
December 22 2006, 7:01 AM
I have to add to this thread, because as you can probably guess by my name, I'm totally anti-chemical; anti-synthetic drug (unless it's in emergency medicine); and will drive miles out of the way, to get organic, unadulterated products. All foods; medicines; plants; natural ocurring elements have safety limits. Even drinking too much water will offset your bodies electrolytes and cause cramping; irregular heart, etc. All good things have limits, and precautions.
Taking BO myself, I've researched extensively, and take the generic BO, but it is ONLY from grass-fed; hormone free resources. (New Zealand). Mad cow disease is usually presented in the nervous system components. (ie. nerves; spinal cord or tissue; brain tissues) I cannot verify that there is or isn't any nerves in the BO, but I know that there is not any spinal cord tissues or brain tissues, that mad cow is usually present in.
Herbs and plants all have risks as well. Many, many herbs cause blood thinning, and are added to pre-surgery lists of medications/supplements to avoid. Vit-E; Gingo; Red Clover. Here are some examples of some of the very common nbe herbs, and some of their safety precautions.
FENUGREEK: High dosing can cause miscarriage. If you are allergic to peanuts, it is
advised that you not take fenugreek.
WILD YAM: Can aggrevate andometriosis, and if you tend to be more estrogen dominant,
than this will only put you into estrogen dominance, which carries all sorts
of unpleasant side-affects. Breast cancer and weight gain are a couple.
VITEX: Too high dosing will excasberate mental conditions. Depression; psychoses;
Schizophrenia. Often cause breakthrough bleeding between periods. Headaches.
Hair loss. Nausea. Rapid heart rate (tachycardia).
So all good things have precautions and side affects. We need to use good judgement on what is the right fit for our bodies. Take stock in what health conditions might be aggrevated if you take a certain supplement. Always stay in tune with your body. If you start taking something, and things don't feel right....they aren't right.
Go with organic sources whenever possible. More isn't necessarily better. And listen to your body.
emmie
(Login emmiedee)
whoa!
December 22 2006, 4:35 PM
thanks for the information, ladies! ask for information and ye shall receive, i suppose. i was a bit curious because i could not find the cancer link to bo when i researched it before... it makes sense that someone would come up with that especially during the mad cow scare.
thanks for the info, ladies... hopefully you have put some minds at ease but have encouraged caution not just for nbe but for general living!