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BE and Breast cancer
July 31 2008 at 5:21 AM f'_cups_desired (no login)
Breast cancer is to some extent preventable through diet and exercise etc., but does stuff like nbe encourage cancer? Is anyone here practicing nbe with breast cancer in their family? Is NBE safe to try if Breast cancer runs in the family even if you have a clean diet? Are you still taking a risk if you do it?
Moon
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Re: BE and Breast cancer
July 31 2008, 9:32 AM
I think it was my great aunt that had breast cancer yes. I still decided to do NBE. I don't believe it's very likely NBE could encourage cancer, tho I guess you can never know for sure. I chose to take that risk.
Jojo
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BE and Breast cancer
August 1 2008, 4:29 AM
I have been researching this prospect as I really want to try the NBE program, bought all my herbs but am giving more time to ponder. Google natural estrogens and you will get lots of information. From what I have researched so far, people believe that the natural estrogens are better than man made however it is all new and without long term use (like for menopausal women), more time is needed to figure it out. Anywhere where there is tissue growth or change in the body is where cancer is more prevalent. My Aunty has recently had breast cancer, so it's in my family so it certainly makes me think. She has been on hormone replacements (man made)and has had to come off altogether. Don't know if any of this helps you
Ewa
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NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 4 2008 at 9:26 PM
That,s what I found on iHerb.com:
The hormone estrogen, if taken in high enough doses, increases breast size by stimulating growth of breast tissue. However, it is not safe to use estrogen in this way, because when breast cells are stimulated to grow, they are more likely to turn cancerous. A woman who took enough estrogen to enlarge her breasts would greatly increase her risk of breast cancer.
Many herbs and supplements provided in breast enhancement products are included there because they act somewhat like estrogen in the body.
These substances are called phytoestrogens, meaning plant-based estrogens,"
According to manufacturers of breast enhancement products, phytoestrogens can enlarge the breasts, like estrogen, but without incurring estrogens risks.
However, there are several problems with this hypothesis.
Perhaps the most important is that phytoestrogens generally act to decrease the estrogen-related functions of the body, rather than increase them. Heres why: natural human estrogen exerts its effects in the body by latching on to special sites on cells called estrogen receptors. Phytoestrogens also latch on to estrogen receptors. However, when they do so, they only produce a partial effect. In addition, they block the ability of real estrogen to bind to those receptors. The net effect in women of menstrual age is to reduce the action of estrogen. This may be a very useful effect because, in theory, it could decrease a womans chance of developing breast cancer. However, the same line of reasoning suggests that phytoestrogens should decrease breast size, not increase it.
Furthermore, studies indicate that many breast enhancement products do not even contain substantial amounts of phytoestrogens. 1,2
In any case, if a breast enhancement product were to contain a powerful phytoestrogen in sufficient quantities to actually stimulate growth of breast cells (a very big if), it would also increase the risk of breast cancer! You cant get one effect without the other. Measurement of estrogenic breast cell stimulation is, in fact, one way of determining the breast cancer risk posed by a substance under study, whether it is a supplement or an environmental contaminant.
Thus, there is no particular reason to believe that phytoestrogens can enhance breast size, nor, it they did, that they would produce such an effect safely.
you can find a whole article here:
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=35539
What do you think of it?
I'm almost ready to start NBE but still searching and thinking ...
Jennelle
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Re: NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 5 2008, 6:45 AM
There's nothing new in that, to be honest. If you read through this forum the usual view taken here is that phytoestrogens protect against breast cancer. Articles like that one claiming that phytoestrogens don't enhance breast size are actually pointless, because in this forum there are many women who have clearly been successful with phytoestrogens, whatever other people may say.
Molly
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Re: NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 8 2006, 7:06 AM
Just to repeat what I have posted previously, if you read more widely you will find that the general view is that phytoestrogens protect against breast cancer. Countries that have a high rate of phytoestrogen consumption in their diets have lower rates of breast cancer and the country with the very highest natural consumption of phytoestrogens of all has the very lowest rate of breast cancer. But when women in those countries emigrate to the West and start eating typical Western diets their incidence of breast cancer rises to normal Western levels. There was also a major clinical study conducted on this subject which concluded not only that phytoestrogens provide protection against breast cancer, but that the degree of protection against breast cancer appeared to be significant.
July 31 2008 at 5:21 AM f'_cups_desired (no login)
Breast cancer is to some extent preventable through diet and exercise etc., but does stuff like nbe encourage cancer? Is anyone here practicing nbe with breast cancer in their family? Is NBE safe to try if Breast cancer runs in the family even if you have a clean diet? Are you still taking a risk if you do it?
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: BE and Breast cancer
July 31 2008, 9:32 AM
I think it was my great aunt that had breast cancer yes. I still decided to do NBE. I don't believe it's very likely NBE could encourage cancer, tho I guess you can never know for sure. I chose to take that risk.
Jojo
(Login PrincessJojo)
SENIOR MEMBER
BE and Breast cancer
August 1 2008, 4:29 AM
I have been researching this prospect as I really want to try the NBE program, bought all my herbs but am giving more time to ponder. Google natural estrogens and you will get lots of information. From what I have researched so far, people believe that the natural estrogens are better than man made however it is all new and without long term use (like for menopausal women), more time is needed to figure it out. Anywhere where there is tissue growth or change in the body is where cancer is more prevalent. My Aunty has recently had breast cancer, so it's in my family so it certainly makes me think. She has been on hormone replacements (man made)and has had to come off altogether. Don't know if any of this helps you
Ewa
(no login)
NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 4 2008 at 9:26 PM
That,s what I found on iHerb.com:
The hormone estrogen, if taken in high enough doses, increases breast size by stimulating growth of breast tissue. However, it is not safe to use estrogen in this way, because when breast cells are stimulated to grow, they are more likely to turn cancerous. A woman who took enough estrogen to enlarge her breasts would greatly increase her risk of breast cancer.
Many herbs and supplements provided in breast enhancement products are included there because they act somewhat like estrogen in the body.
These substances are called phytoestrogens, meaning plant-based estrogens,"
According to manufacturers of breast enhancement products, phytoestrogens can enlarge the breasts, like estrogen, but without incurring estrogens risks.
However, there are several problems with this hypothesis.
Perhaps the most important is that phytoestrogens generally act to decrease the estrogen-related functions of the body, rather than increase them. Heres why: natural human estrogen exerts its effects in the body by latching on to special sites on cells called estrogen receptors. Phytoestrogens also latch on to estrogen receptors. However, when they do so, they only produce a partial effect. In addition, they block the ability of real estrogen to bind to those receptors. The net effect in women of menstrual age is to reduce the action of estrogen. This may be a very useful effect because, in theory, it could decrease a womans chance of developing breast cancer. However, the same line of reasoning suggests that phytoestrogens should decrease breast size, not increase it.
Furthermore, studies indicate that many breast enhancement products do not even contain substantial amounts of phytoestrogens. 1,2
In any case, if a breast enhancement product were to contain a powerful phytoestrogen in sufficient quantities to actually stimulate growth of breast cells (a very big if), it would also increase the risk of breast cancer! You cant get one effect without the other. Measurement of estrogenic breast cell stimulation is, in fact, one way of determining the breast cancer risk posed by a substance under study, whether it is a supplement or an environmental contaminant.
Thus, there is no particular reason to believe that phytoestrogens can enhance breast size, nor, it they did, that they would produce such an effect safely.
you can find a whole article here:
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=35539
What do you think of it?
I'm almost ready to start NBE but still searching and thinking ...
Jennelle
(Login Jenneelle)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 5 2008, 6:45 AM
There's nothing new in that, to be honest. If you read through this forum the usual view taken here is that phytoestrogens protect against breast cancer. Articles like that one claiming that phytoestrogens don't enhance breast size are actually pointless, because in this forum there are many women who have clearly been successful with phytoestrogens, whatever other people may say.
Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: NBE & risk of breast cancer ???
August 8 2006, 7:06 AM
Just to repeat what I have posted previously, if you read more widely you will find that the general view is that phytoestrogens protect against breast cancer. Countries that have a high rate of phytoestrogen consumption in their diets have lower rates of breast cancer and the country with the very highest natural consumption of phytoestrogens of all has the very lowest rate of breast cancer. But when women in those countries emigrate to the West and start eating typical Western diets their incidence of breast cancer rises to normal Western levels. There was also a major clinical study conducted on this subject which concluded not only that phytoestrogens provide protection against breast cancer, but that the degree of protection against breast cancer appeared to be significant.