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Contridictions over herbs and Breast Cancer
March 24 2006 at 7:16 PM Lanie40 (Login Lanie40)
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Hi everyone, been researching and every site is different when it comes to fennel and fenugreek, red clover. The only herb that never got mentioned being to linked to breast cancer was wild yam. As for the others some sites say they are good for you and then the next site say they are bad for you. They say to avoid soy and herbs that effect hormone levels, and yet a magizine I picked up at the health food store said that soy and asian herbs help protect the breast from cancer. So I am now so confused, what should you believe.
SugarQ
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Re: Contridictions over herbs and Breast Cancer
March 24 2006, 7:48 PM
this is a good example to the fact that NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE. there are theories and experiments that go back and forth contradicting one another. right now the main idea around all the forums is that the herbs are pretty safe .we know to have NBE we need to have new tissue growth in the breast anything that causes new tissue growth can also help to stimulate cancer cell growth which is why there are warning about herbs and NBE. but the thing is we dont know exactly how herbs cause NBE. their estrogens are far too weak to just stimulate tissue growth like estradiol would. women with high estradiol levels tend to have bigger breasts and a higher cancer risk.Phytoestrogen seem to help to lower estradiol's activity in the body so it should lower cancer risks but then how does phytoestrogens work for NBE if it lowers estrogen levels?
Now thats the tricky question. even brava has a cancer risk and company warns about that and they ask women if they have a hystory of breast cancer before they start the program. thats because the brava stimulates tissue growth(without adding hormones). the truth is anything that stimulates tissue growth has the potential for stimulating cancer as well. herbs may not directly cause cell or tissue growth but if you try to connect their possible activity to the brava then we can theorize that they cause breast swelling (like the brava) and the pressure and tesion that is produced stimulates new tissue growth and thus allowing NBE to be perminant. thats just one idea.
i think herbs are pretty safe but you still need to be careful no matter what anyone thinks or says. many women will say its safe and may people eat these herbs every day and nothing happens to them which is true but most people dont take these herbs at the high dosages many women here take them at.
i hope i make sense here. you shouldnt worry but still be careful.
Lanie40
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So much to filter. SugarQ.
March 25 2006, 11:24 AM
Won't even look at a site tryingto sell something, cause you know they are going to say its good for you. I'v been trying to find medical sites and they can't even agree. So I will keep searching. Thanks for your input SugarQ. Noticed your name on other forums, your a busy bee. How do you remember so much info. I can't even spell alot of terms(estrogens I read about) and trying to keep them filed good or bad is even harder. My hats off to you for aguiring so much education about this subject SugarQ. Maybe some day you should right your own book like Lucille did. Something to think about!!!
Sunset
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A book
March 26 2006, 2:33 AM
I agree SugarQ you know lots of stuff and seem to remember it all so well too.
You should at least think about making a book to teach about NBE. or hormones and boobie biology or something, even if you dont write about a "sure fire method" all that other stuff is equally important to know about before doing NBE. I agree-You should give it a thought
March 24 2006 at 7:16 PM Lanie40 (Login Lanie40)
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Hi everyone, been researching and every site is different when it comes to fennel and fenugreek, red clover. The only herb that never got mentioned being to linked to breast cancer was wild yam. As for the others some sites say they are good for you and then the next site say they are bad for you. They say to avoid soy and herbs that effect hormone levels, and yet a magizine I picked up at the health food store said that soy and asian herbs help protect the breast from cancer. So I am now so confused, what should you believe.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Contridictions over herbs and Breast Cancer
March 24 2006, 7:48 PM
this is a good example to the fact that NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE. there are theories and experiments that go back and forth contradicting one another. right now the main idea around all the forums is that the herbs are pretty safe .we know to have NBE we need to have new tissue growth in the breast anything that causes new tissue growth can also help to stimulate cancer cell growth which is why there are warning about herbs and NBE. but the thing is we dont know exactly how herbs cause NBE. their estrogens are far too weak to just stimulate tissue growth like estradiol would. women with high estradiol levels tend to have bigger breasts and a higher cancer risk.Phytoestrogen seem to help to lower estradiol's activity in the body so it should lower cancer risks but then how does phytoestrogens work for NBE if it lowers estrogen levels?
Now thats the tricky question. even brava has a cancer risk and company warns about that and they ask women if they have a hystory of breast cancer before they start the program. thats because the brava stimulates tissue growth(without adding hormones). the truth is anything that stimulates tissue growth has the potential for stimulating cancer as well. herbs may not directly cause cell or tissue growth but if you try to connect their possible activity to the brava then we can theorize that they cause breast swelling (like the brava) and the pressure and tesion that is produced stimulates new tissue growth and thus allowing NBE to be perminant. thats just one idea.
i think herbs are pretty safe but you still need to be careful no matter what anyone thinks or says. many women will say its safe and may people eat these herbs every day and nothing happens to them which is true but most people dont take these herbs at the high dosages many women here take them at.
i hope i make sense here. you shouldnt worry but still be careful.
Lanie40
(Login Lanie40)
EVE MEMBERS
So much to filter. SugarQ.
March 25 2006, 11:24 AM
Won't even look at a site tryingto sell something, cause you know they are going to say its good for you. I'v been trying to find medical sites and they can't even agree. So I will keep searching. Thanks for your input SugarQ. Noticed your name on other forums, your a busy bee. How do you remember so much info. I can't even spell alot of terms(estrogens I read about) and trying to keep them filed good or bad is even harder. My hats off to you for aguiring so much education about this subject SugarQ. Maybe some day you should right your own book like Lucille did. Something to think about!!!
Sunset
(Login liquidSunset)
EVE MEMBERS
A book
March 26 2006, 2:33 AM
I agree SugarQ you know lots of stuff and seem to remember it all so well too.
You should at least think about making a book to teach about NBE. or hormones and boobie biology or something, even if you dont write about a "sure fire method" all that other stuff is equally important to know about before doing NBE. I agree-You should give it a thought