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newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008 at 7:28 PM riya (Login riya123)
Hey Everyone,
I am a newbie from India,and I have the same prob as all you women out there!I am sick of my size,barely an A and I feel aweful about it..I am planning to use wonderup,got rave reviews about it from the forum,but I am really really scared about something
Cancer
I ve done enough research about cancer to know that it can be caused by so many things,it s in my family,a lot of my relatives have died from it.Also I am a smoker, and that itself is a big risk factor.
I am very sceptical about the long term use of these pills,I mean ,nooone has done any prper clinical trial right?like under NIH or somethin? and I ve heard it increases the risk of uterine and breast cancer.
I am nearly desperate to get into shape since it really affects my self-esteem, and makes me feel insecure when I make out,though my guy loves me a lot and has no prob at all..BUt I dont want to risk my health in any way ,so I am really in a fix..can someone please help me..any suggestions,any articles about the safety in the long term?
for all who are already using it,happy happy growing!
riya
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 8:10 PM
Riya,
How can you say you are really worried about cancer if you SMOKE CIGARETTES???
Yes, I am on a soapbox - but you need to re-read your post and ask yourself why you admittedly state you know that smoking is a risk factor and yet what you are worried about is.... HERBS?????
I am not trying to be rude - but COME ON!!! Not only are you risking CANCER from smoking, but you are also risking emphysema, spinal disc degeneration, skin disorders and a whole host of problems associated with the relentless loss of vitamin C - all caused by SMOKING.
Okay - I will take a breath now...
To answer your question about herbs - there is not conclusive proof that herbs will in any way enhance a woman's chances of cancer.
Many studies point to the fact that phytoestrogens are less potent than our body's natural estrogen and therefore are much more likely to be cancer preventative than causative.
Many cultures that utilize high dietary amounts of phytoestrogens have much lower rates of cancer than those who consume an 'Industrialized diet'.
Xeno-estrogens (artificial estrogens found in birth control pills, plastics, pesticides, solvents, hormones fed to meat animals... etc) are much more harmful to us and a likely cause of the industrial world cancer syndrome than any phytoestrogen.
There are some phytoestrogens that are more potent than our body's natural estrogen. They are the ones that will play havoc with a woman's cycle. Red clover is one of these. Even so - some cancer treatments use red clover as part of the treatment.
The bottom line is that any herb that is taken in too great amounts can cause problems with health. There have been many studies done with herbs to try and prove or disprove their health benefits. These studies have never drawn a causative effect between cancer and phytoestrogens.
NBE participants can feel safe if they use herbal preparations in a rational way. Any herb that is taken at above recommended dosages will cause problems. Used properly they will have positive effects -however as many have found - not necessarily increased breast growth.
The bottom line... STOP SMOKING. Then I will believe you are worried about cancer.
just my very opinionated two cents,
waxingmoon
riya
(Login riya123)
I know what you re saying
February 2 2008, 8:40 PM
Hry Waxingmoon
I am not offended and yeah that question was bound to eb asked..I am trying really hard to quit righ now,have already changed my brand to a drastically milder one, am having only HALF a cigarette maybe in two days or so ..so you see it is not like I am not aware of its ill-effects or not trying,an will stop soon..and about herbs..well I am afraid to trust something that induces a sort of second puberty,what if teh effect on hormones goes haywire, or if cells proliferate madly or something liek tat ..I know I may eb soundign too critical or crazy,but I dont want to take a chance if there is too much risk involved that is all.
thanks
riya
Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 9:18 PM
You seem to be missing two points. Firstly, you say that cancer can be caused by many things, but you somehow forgot to mention that there are also things that can protect against cancer (such as the phytoestrogens in these herbs for example, as countries with a high consumption of phytoestrogens in their diet have lower rates of breast cancer). Secondly, you said it was long term use you were worried about, but nobody in this forum can help you with that, because nobody here has used these kind of products in the long term (presumably by long term you mean at least 5 or 10 years, whereas a single year or less is more typical use for the women here).
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 9:41 PM
A relevant point is also that these herbs have been used in traditional medicine for centuries if not milenia. If they would increase the risk of cancer, I think it would have been observed and known. As Waxingmoon said, few conclusive studies about herbs and cancer are available, but most doctors and professional today will incline more to the opinion that herbs are not harmful. It looks more like they protect against cancer.
And I have to agree with Waxingmoon about smoking. Know that smoking increases your risk of cancer more than anything else, it may even add a bigger risk that your genes do. It's good that you're trying to stop, but know that this is practically a must. Personally I've never smoked so I don't know first hand what it's like to stop, but both of my parents did and they both said that the cutting down method isn't the best, that you have to do this 100%, you have to throw all the cigarettes away at once and say 'that's it, no more'.
As a medicine student, I can also give you one other advice on prevention of cancer - studies show that drinking abundant ammounts of water decreases the risk of most cancers, some event as much as 40%. But you really have to get this into your lyfestyle and drink plenty of water every day, for the rest of your life. This is also recomended in NBE btw. As for that, WU is a good choice. But be sure to make good research on this site if you decide to give it a go. Good luck!
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 11:25 PM
I don't smoke personally because it's expensive but loads of people in my family have done and only 2 people have died in their 70s (not smoking related), everyone else has lived until their 80s and 90s. My nan is the only person in my family to have had cancer, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer at 84 and cured at 89, she died ay 94 of something else. Some people smoke all their lives and have no problems others get cancer off passive alone so it's clearly down to genetics....you could get run over by a bus tomorrow so why worry.
In response the original post, if you have an estrogen related tumour and your body is low in estrogen then theoretically the herbs could increase your estrogen and feed the tumour. Usually the herbs would be protective as they are weaker than your body's natural estrogen. Also I don't think any of these things would actually cause a new tumour to arise so have a check up and don't worry after you get the all clear.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 4:46 AM
If you would like to convince yourself of how healthy phytoestrogens really are, especially in fighting cancer, go to google.com and enter searches such as:
phytoestrogens cancer apoptosis
fenugreek cancer apoptosis
fennnel cancer apoptosis
Saw Palmetto cancer
pomegranate cancer apoptosis
red clover cancer
etc.
Do some research yourself and your confidence will increase.
If you take steps to eat right, exercise, and keep your PH level up in the alkaline zone, you will lower your chances of getting cancer significantly.
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Feb 3, 2008 4:48 AM
riya
(Login riya123)
how long has it been around?
February 3 2008, 6:01 PM
thanks everyone,
that sounds good, I ve been debating pills for over a year now! gave up somewhere in between, I want to do it now if it's worth a try...I can see that some women have had success with WU, and I dislike a lot of the flashy websites that brag about their products,the WU site seems more real.Can someone tell me how old WU has been around for?Also teh success rate it has had?thanks for the luck
riya
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 8:23 PM
As far as I know it's been around for at least 5 years and success judging by this forum seems to be maybe 50-60% so definitely not worked for everyone but then a lot of people have given up early due to the cost and you haven't really given it a fair trial if you give up in less than 6 months. Even the website says some people need over 11 months but then do get growth. Obviously it's in their interest to make you keep taking them but some people definitely take longer to respond than others.
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 9:06 PM
There is also a poll on WU in the surveys section. But not so many people have voted as have used WU.
Felicity
(no login)
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 4 2008, 7:59 AM
I think Wonderup must have been around for a lot more than 5 years, as someone here said they used it in 1999.
riya
(Login riya123)
vitex ,cocoa butter and WU?
February 4 2008, 5:27 PM
Thanks
I ask that question because obviously the longer a product stays, the more credible it gtes right? If I had not found WU, I would prolly go for Bountiful breasts for that reason, and also because they are the only ones awaiting a patent? anyone had success with BB? well, of course this question is so redundant but can someone please please tell me what works best WITH WU? I was thinkin of maybe cocoa butter ith Vit E ..heard rave reviews bout it..or vitex..that I am not so sure..vitex is taken for menstrual pain right? someone here had tremendous success with just vitex..but I dont have the slightest pain during my periods and I dont know if it can be taken then IF it's useful with WU at all.I dont think I ll be able to afford the cream with WU, so I need some catalyst, and only you all can guide me with it.If someone had good success with a WU combo with something else, please tell me, any advice would be great !
thanks
riya
Mary
(no login)
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 4 2008, 3:23 PM
The patent pending thing is a joke, I'm afraid to say, because BB have been saying that for about 10 years.
February 2 2008 at 7:28 PM riya (Login riya123)
Hey Everyone,
I am a newbie from India,and I have the same prob as all you women out there!I am sick of my size,barely an A and I feel aweful about it..I am planning to use wonderup,got rave reviews about it from the forum,but I am really really scared about something
Cancer
I ve done enough research about cancer to know that it can be caused by so many things,it s in my family,a lot of my relatives have died from it.Also I am a smoker, and that itself is a big risk factor.
I am very sceptical about the long term use of these pills,I mean ,nooone has done any prper clinical trial right?like under NIH or somethin? and I ve heard it increases the risk of uterine and breast cancer.
I am nearly desperate to get into shape since it really affects my self-esteem, and makes me feel insecure when I make out,though my guy loves me a lot and has no prob at all..BUt I dont want to risk my health in any way ,so I am really in a fix..can someone please help me..any suggestions,any articles about the safety in the long term?
for all who are already using it,happy happy growing!
riya
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 8:10 PM
Riya,
How can you say you are really worried about cancer if you SMOKE CIGARETTES???
Yes, I am on a soapbox - but you need to re-read your post and ask yourself why you admittedly state you know that smoking is a risk factor and yet what you are worried about is.... HERBS?????
I am not trying to be rude - but COME ON!!! Not only are you risking CANCER from smoking, but you are also risking emphysema, spinal disc degeneration, skin disorders and a whole host of problems associated with the relentless loss of vitamin C - all caused by SMOKING.
Okay - I will take a breath now...
To answer your question about herbs - there is not conclusive proof that herbs will in any way enhance a woman's chances of cancer.
Many studies point to the fact that phytoestrogens are less potent than our body's natural estrogen and therefore are much more likely to be cancer preventative than causative.
Many cultures that utilize high dietary amounts of phytoestrogens have much lower rates of cancer than those who consume an 'Industrialized diet'.
Xeno-estrogens (artificial estrogens found in birth control pills, plastics, pesticides, solvents, hormones fed to meat animals... etc) are much more harmful to us and a likely cause of the industrial world cancer syndrome than any phytoestrogen.
There are some phytoestrogens that are more potent than our body's natural estrogen. They are the ones that will play havoc with a woman's cycle. Red clover is one of these. Even so - some cancer treatments use red clover as part of the treatment.
The bottom line is that any herb that is taken in too great amounts can cause problems with health. There have been many studies done with herbs to try and prove or disprove their health benefits. These studies have never drawn a causative effect between cancer and phytoestrogens.
NBE participants can feel safe if they use herbal preparations in a rational way. Any herb that is taken at above recommended dosages will cause problems. Used properly they will have positive effects -however as many have found - not necessarily increased breast growth.
The bottom line... STOP SMOKING. Then I will believe you are worried about cancer.
just my very opinionated two cents,
waxingmoon
riya
(Login riya123)
I know what you re saying
February 2 2008, 8:40 PM
Hry Waxingmoon
I am not offended and yeah that question was bound to eb asked..I am trying really hard to quit righ now,have already changed my brand to a drastically milder one, am having only HALF a cigarette maybe in two days or so ..so you see it is not like I am not aware of its ill-effects or not trying,an will stop soon..and about herbs..well I am afraid to trust something that induces a sort of second puberty,what if teh effect on hormones goes haywire, or if cells proliferate madly or something liek tat ..I know I may eb soundign too critical or crazy,but I dont want to take a chance if there is too much risk involved that is all.
thanks
riya
Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 9:18 PM
You seem to be missing two points. Firstly, you say that cancer can be caused by many things, but you somehow forgot to mention that there are also things that can protect against cancer (such as the phytoestrogens in these herbs for example, as countries with a high consumption of phytoestrogens in their diet have lower rates of breast cancer). Secondly, you said it was long term use you were worried about, but nobody in this forum can help you with that, because nobody here has used these kind of products in the long term (presumably by long term you mean at least 5 or 10 years, whereas a single year or less is more typical use for the women here).
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 9:41 PM
A relevant point is also that these herbs have been used in traditional medicine for centuries if not milenia. If they would increase the risk of cancer, I think it would have been observed and known. As Waxingmoon said, few conclusive studies about herbs and cancer are available, but most doctors and professional today will incline more to the opinion that herbs are not harmful. It looks more like they protect against cancer.
And I have to agree with Waxingmoon about smoking. Know that smoking increases your risk of cancer more than anything else, it may even add a bigger risk that your genes do. It's good that you're trying to stop, but know that this is practically a must. Personally I've never smoked so I don't know first hand what it's like to stop, but both of my parents did and they both said that the cutting down method isn't the best, that you have to do this 100%, you have to throw all the cigarettes away at once and say 'that's it, no more'.
As a medicine student, I can also give you one other advice on prevention of cancer - studies show that drinking abundant ammounts of water decreases the risk of most cancers, some event as much as 40%. But you really have to get this into your lyfestyle and drink plenty of water every day, for the rest of your life. This is also recomended in NBE btw. As for that, WU is a good choice. But be sure to make good research on this site if you decide to give it a go. Good luck!
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 2 2008, 11:25 PM
I don't smoke personally because it's expensive but loads of people in my family have done and only 2 people have died in their 70s (not smoking related), everyone else has lived until their 80s and 90s. My nan is the only person in my family to have had cancer, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer at 84 and cured at 89, she died ay 94 of something else. Some people smoke all their lives and have no problems others get cancer off passive alone so it's clearly down to genetics....you could get run over by a bus tomorrow so why worry.
In response the original post, if you have an estrogen related tumour and your body is low in estrogen then theoretically the herbs could increase your estrogen and feed the tumour. Usually the herbs would be protective as they are weaker than your body's natural estrogen. Also I don't think any of these things would actually cause a new tumour to arise so have a check up and don't worry after you get the all clear.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 4:46 AM
If you would like to convince yourself of how healthy phytoestrogens really are, especially in fighting cancer, go to google.com and enter searches such as:
phytoestrogens cancer apoptosis
fenugreek cancer apoptosis
fennnel cancer apoptosis
Saw Palmetto cancer
pomegranate cancer apoptosis
red clover cancer
etc.
Do some research yourself and your confidence will increase.
If you take steps to eat right, exercise, and keep your PH level up in the alkaline zone, you will lower your chances of getting cancer significantly.
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Feb 3, 2008 4:48 AM
riya
(Login riya123)
how long has it been around?
February 3 2008, 6:01 PM
thanks everyone,
that sounds good, I ve been debating pills for over a year now! gave up somewhere in between, I want to do it now if it's worth a try...I can see that some women have had success with WU, and I dislike a lot of the flashy websites that brag about their products,the WU site seems more real.Can someone tell me how old WU has been around for?Also teh success rate it has had?thanks for the luck
riya
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 8:23 PM
As far as I know it's been around for at least 5 years and success judging by this forum seems to be maybe 50-60% so definitely not worked for everyone but then a lot of people have given up early due to the cost and you haven't really given it a fair trial if you give up in less than 6 months. Even the website says some people need over 11 months but then do get growth. Obviously it's in their interest to make you keep taking them but some people definitely take longer to respond than others.
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 3 2008, 9:06 PM
There is also a poll on WU in the surveys section. But not so many people have voted as have used WU.
Felicity
(no login)
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 4 2008, 7:59 AM
I think Wonderup must have been around for a lot more than 5 years, as someone here said they used it in 1999.
riya
(Login riya123)
vitex ,cocoa butter and WU?
February 4 2008, 5:27 PM
Thanks
I ask that question because obviously the longer a product stays, the more credible it gtes right? If I had not found WU, I would prolly go for Bountiful breasts for that reason, and also because they are the only ones awaiting a patent? anyone had success with BB? well, of course this question is so redundant but can someone please please tell me what works best WITH WU? I was thinkin of maybe cocoa butter ith Vit E ..heard rave reviews bout it..or vitex..that I am not so sure..vitex is taken for menstrual pain right? someone here had tremendous success with just vitex..but I dont have the slightest pain during my periods and I dont know if it can be taken then IF it's useful with WU at all.I dont think I ll be able to afford the cream with WU, so I need some catalyst, and only you all can guide me with it.If someone had good success with a WU combo with something else, please tell me, any advice would be great !
thanks
riya
Mary
(no login)
Re: newbie..cancer?!!
February 4 2008, 3:23 PM
The patent pending thing is a joke, I'm afraid to say, because BB have been saying that for about 10 years.