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NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006 at 2:06 AM Anonymous (Login curioushubby)
Hello ladies,
I am very curious about NBE for my wife, but I have some questions that hopefully someone can help me with. Although these herbs are safe, are they not increasing the levels of progesterone and estrogen? I know that progesterone can is necessary for inducing cell death and that it decreases the risk for several types of cancer. However, increased levels of estrogen are not good. Although estrogen (estradiol) may stimulate cell growth in the breasts, these cells may not die thereby resulting in cancer. I hope someone can shead some light on the subject. Are there only some herbs that upregulate estrogen production? Thanks for your time.
waxingmoon
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 3:25 AM
I have read that the phytoestrogens have a much milder effect than estrogen while they take up the estrogen receptors - thus blocking actual estrogen from those receptors. Most of the NBE herbs that have an estrogenic effect are these phytoestrogens. They don't stimulate estrogen production. Angus castus has an effect on the pituitary gland and causes the body to produce more progesterone. Progesterone is used by the body to produce several hormones, estrogen, testosterone, cortisol, etc. However, excess progesterone actually turns off the receptors. I don't think a normally functioning body would overproduce hormones for itself.
The real danger is from the artificial hormones. Xenoestrogens come from pesticide, plastics, hormones given to animals that are used for food and even birth control - these all cause heightened estrogen in women's and men's bodies. The true danger to your wife's health is not in NBE, but in the Xenoestrogens of modern life.
One great resource that may help you is a book by Dr. John Lee : 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause' - Although it does not talk about NBE, it has helped me in making my decisions for NBE.
Hope this has helped,
waxingmoon
Moon
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 12:45 PM
The way hormons and NBE really work is a lot more complex than anyone of us here can really explain. I study medicine and though I have some clue, I really don't have like 1% of it. So the most reasonable thing to do is to look at empyrical evidence. Women have only benefited from herbs and there is no observation of breast cancer linked with NBE. There are studies that say that increasing estrogen-like activity increases breast cancer and shout that NBE is dangerous, but nothing in practice has confirmed that. Then there are other studies that say the opposite - that estrogenic-like agents decrease the rish of cancer, cause they block actual estrogen. But the fact is that the herbs we use have been used for centuries and that's more than enough time to ascertain whether they are likned to cancer and they have never been, sooner the opposite.
And afterall, if growing breasts with herbs could be attributed the risk of cancer, the same risk could then be attributed to birth control pills and even having big breasts naturally from the beginning.
emmie
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great to show concern
December 11 2006, 5:12 PM
first of all, i think it is great that you are concerned for your wifes health before anything else... good for you, and she is a lucky lady!
as for your question, if you look at some of the common herbs taken some of them are being studied as possible cancer prevention herbs... just about all of them are overall good for health and good for breast health. there has been some concern over mineral oil, but the herbs themselves have not been held suspect that i have read...
again, good on you for looking out for her. any other questions you have, let us have it!!
Vicky A
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 5:49 PM
I believe there is a cancer danger with bovine ovary, but not with herbs. Before anyone jumps on me, this is only my humble opinion, but I think introducing a cow's hormones into your body through eating their ovaries is dangerous and carries a cancer risk. I don't believe this is the case with herbs, since herbs act to regulate hormone levels, not just increase them. I believe taking NBE herbs even protects against breast cancer and this view is supported by the statistics on cancer rates throughout the world, which consistently indicate that the higher the phytoestrogen consumption in a particular country the lower the rate of breast cancer.
Moon
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 7:08 PM
I don't know what are the levels of hormones in BO, but taking BO itself isn't that different from taking BCP. We must know that eveverything with estrogenic activity increses breast cancer risk, even our own hormones. But obviously we're not gonna stay away from everything because of that. I think the risks are small and I at least am perfectly willing to take it if I get boobs out of it. Anyway with BO I personally would be more worried about BSE. But then again I'm a bit paranoid about that. :p
Becky
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 12 2006, 8:49 AM
I agree about the BSE. That would be a greater concern to me.
December 11 2006 at 2:06 AM Anonymous (Login curioushubby)
Hello ladies,
I am very curious about NBE for my wife, but I have some questions that hopefully someone can help me with. Although these herbs are safe, are they not increasing the levels of progesterone and estrogen? I know that progesterone can is necessary for inducing cell death and that it decreases the risk for several types of cancer. However, increased levels of estrogen are not good. Although estrogen (estradiol) may stimulate cell growth in the breasts, these cells may not die thereby resulting in cancer. I hope someone can shead some light on the subject. Are there only some herbs that upregulate estrogen production? Thanks for your time.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 3:25 AM
I have read that the phytoestrogens have a much milder effect than estrogen while they take up the estrogen receptors - thus blocking actual estrogen from those receptors. Most of the NBE herbs that have an estrogenic effect are these phytoestrogens. They don't stimulate estrogen production. Angus castus has an effect on the pituitary gland and causes the body to produce more progesterone. Progesterone is used by the body to produce several hormones, estrogen, testosterone, cortisol, etc. However, excess progesterone actually turns off the receptors. I don't think a normally functioning body would overproduce hormones for itself.
The real danger is from the artificial hormones. Xenoestrogens come from pesticide, plastics, hormones given to animals that are used for food and even birth control - these all cause heightened estrogen in women's and men's bodies. The true danger to your wife's health is not in NBE, but in the Xenoestrogens of modern life.
One great resource that may help you is a book by Dr. John Lee : 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause' - Although it does not talk about NBE, it has helped me in making my decisions for NBE.
Hope this has helped,
waxingmoon
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 12:45 PM
The way hormons and NBE really work is a lot more complex than anyone of us here can really explain. I study medicine and though I have some clue, I really don't have like 1% of it. So the most reasonable thing to do is to look at empyrical evidence. Women have only benefited from herbs and there is no observation of breast cancer linked with NBE. There are studies that say that increasing estrogen-like activity increases breast cancer and shout that NBE is dangerous, but nothing in practice has confirmed that. Then there are other studies that say the opposite - that estrogenic-like agents decrease the rish of cancer, cause they block actual estrogen. But the fact is that the herbs we use have been used for centuries and that's more than enough time to ascertain whether they are likned to cancer and they have never been, sooner the opposite.
And afterall, if growing breasts with herbs could be attributed the risk of cancer, the same risk could then be attributed to birth control pills and even having big breasts naturally from the beginning.
emmie
(Login emmiedee)
great to show concern
December 11 2006, 5:12 PM
first of all, i think it is great that you are concerned for your wifes health before anything else... good for you, and she is a lucky lady!
as for your question, if you look at some of the common herbs taken some of them are being studied as possible cancer prevention herbs... just about all of them are overall good for health and good for breast health. there has been some concern over mineral oil, but the herbs themselves have not been held suspect that i have read...
again, good on you for looking out for her. any other questions you have, let us have it!!
Vicky A
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 5:49 PM
I believe there is a cancer danger with bovine ovary, but not with herbs. Before anyone jumps on me, this is only my humble opinion, but I think introducing a cow's hormones into your body through eating their ovaries is dangerous and carries a cancer risk. I don't believe this is the case with herbs, since herbs act to regulate hormone levels, not just increase them. I believe taking NBE herbs even protects against breast cancer and this view is supported by the statistics on cancer rates throughout the world, which consistently indicate that the higher the phytoestrogen consumption in a particular country the lower the rate of breast cancer.
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 11 2006, 7:08 PM
I don't know what are the levels of hormones in BO, but taking BO itself isn't that different from taking BCP. We must know that eveverything with estrogenic activity increses breast cancer risk, even our own hormones. But obviously we're not gonna stay away from everything because of that. I think the risks are small and I at least am perfectly willing to take it if I get boobs out of it. Anyway with BO I personally would be more worried about BSE. But then again I'm a bit paranoid about that. :p
Becky
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Re: NBE... is it safe?
December 12 2006, 8:49 AM
I agree about the BSE. That would be a greater concern to me.