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Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 20 2008 at 7:27 PM Kaze (Login mixedchica)
Hi everyone,
Just. Ive just realised that I may be oestrogen dominant. I have taken some online tests and it says I probably am.
But I was just wondering how that applies to breast size, NBE and the birth control pill.
I am currently drinking fennel and using it as a massage lotion. But I am considering going on the birth control pill. TO gain some size or breast fullness. But I am petrified of weight gain and depression. I have just reached my weight I am happy but would love to have afuller breast.
How can I change oestrogen dominance and can it be fixed with diet or supplements?
What would a progesterone BC pill do? Body, breast and mind??
what are the side affects and how will it affect breast growth??
Can anyone give me advise on what I should try or do now??
Thanks any advise appreciated
K
Tina
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Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 22 2008, 7:45 AM
Some people think that progesterone omly contraceptive pill is better if you're attempting breast growth.
waxingmoon
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Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 22 2008, 3:24 PM
Hi,
I may be the lone voice crying out in the wilderness on this issue, but I must interject that there is a big difference between natural progesterone and the artificial progestins that are contained in birth control.
You will not solve your estrogen dominance with artificial progestins. The molecule does not have the same balancing effect as natural progesterone. This is due to the shape of the artificial progestin. It is close enough to natural progesterone to attach to the progesterone receptors and it will be effective as a birth control, but the molecule is shaped more like a testosterone molecule.
In the hormone world, molecule shape is very important. The natural progesterone that is processed in the lab from wild yam is bio-identical to our own body progesterone. That is why it is used to help combat estrogen dominance.
The writings of Dr. John Lee are very informative on the subject of estrogen dominance and the use of progesterone to combat it. My favorite of his books is "What your doctor may not tell you about pre-menopause". No matter what your age, that is the book that will guide you the best in treating estrogen dominance (at least that is my opinion).
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
kaze
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the Natural PC cream
June 23 2008, 4:57 PM
Hi Waxing moon, thanks for the advise, I was just reading on your program page about using the PC on a certain day. As yet I have not Brought a progesterone cream but I was wondering what you meant about using it on the right day. As you used it on the the 8th day of your cycle and it had an estrogen affect???
Today I brought he holland and barret wild yam cream. Do you think that si ok to use daily.
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 23 2008, 7:15 PM
Hi Kaze,
You use the progesterone cream starting on the 12th day of your cycle and continuing to the 28th day, or when ever your period starts. This matches the luteal phase of your cycle when your body is already producing progesterone.
Check the label of the wild yam cream. If it does not say USP progesterone then the wild yam has not been processed to make progesterone. This has to happen in the lab. Our bodies cannot make progesterone from wild yam cream itself. If it is not USP grade progesterone then your cream is estrogenic and will not help to increase your progesterone level. The cream could still be used for NBE as a massage cream, but it will not balance estrogen dominance.
A good reference book is by Dr. John Lee: "What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause". This book outlines the treatment of estrogen dominance. I highly recommend it if you are going to use progesterone cream no matter what your age.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
nbe_please
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Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 24 2008, 11:10 PM
Depo Provera is a BC shot that is only injected once every 3 months and is very effect BC, BUT..
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. it is synthetic progesterone (progestin) and it did absobuletly nothing for my breast, gave me some cellulite, made my hair fall out, made me depressed, completely stopped my periods (which was nice, but now that I'm off of it after 3 years of continuous use, my periods are far worse than before- cramp wise and heavy with shooting back pain sometimes). It can also REALLY screw with your adrenal glands, making you quite fatigued (so my gyno tells me).
Please dear, save yourself the hassel.. in my opinion.. it was definately NOT worth it.(I have a message posteded a few pages back in this forum with more details about the Depo shot if you want to learn more about what I went through- could help with your decision).
Moon seems to be very knowledgable about NBE. I would follow her advice. She and Louise have been helpful for me.
Goodluck
June 20 2008 at 7:27 PM Kaze (Login mixedchica)
Hi everyone,
Just. Ive just realised that I may be oestrogen dominant. I have taken some online tests and it says I probably am.
But I was just wondering how that applies to breast size, NBE and the birth control pill.
I am currently drinking fennel and using it as a massage lotion. But I am considering going on the birth control pill. TO gain some size or breast fullness. But I am petrified of weight gain and depression. I have just reached my weight I am happy but would love to have afuller breast.
How can I change oestrogen dominance and can it be fixed with diet or supplements?
What would a progesterone BC pill do? Body, breast and mind??
what are the side affects and how will it affect breast growth??
Can anyone give me advise on what I should try or do now??
Thanks any advise appreciated
K
Tina
(no login)
Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 22 2008, 7:45 AM
Some people think that progesterone omly contraceptive pill is better if you're attempting breast growth.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 22 2008, 3:24 PM
Hi,
I may be the lone voice crying out in the wilderness on this issue, but I must interject that there is a big difference between natural progesterone and the artificial progestins that are contained in birth control.
You will not solve your estrogen dominance with artificial progestins. The molecule does not have the same balancing effect as natural progesterone. This is due to the shape of the artificial progestin. It is close enough to natural progesterone to attach to the progesterone receptors and it will be effective as a birth control, but the molecule is shaped more like a testosterone molecule.
In the hormone world, molecule shape is very important. The natural progesterone that is processed in the lab from wild yam is bio-identical to our own body progesterone. That is why it is used to help combat estrogen dominance.
The writings of Dr. John Lee are very informative on the subject of estrogen dominance and the use of progesterone to combat it. My favorite of his books is "What your doctor may not tell you about pre-menopause". No matter what your age, that is the book that will guide you the best in treating estrogen dominance (at least that is my opinion).
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
kaze
(Login mixedchica)
the Natural PC cream
June 23 2008, 4:57 PM
Hi Waxing moon, thanks for the advise, I was just reading on your program page about using the PC on a certain day. As yet I have not Brought a progesterone cream but I was wondering what you meant about using it on the right day. As you used it on the the 8th day of your cycle and it had an estrogen affect???
Today I brought he holland and barret wild yam cream. Do you think that si ok to use daily.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 23 2008, 7:15 PM
Hi Kaze,
You use the progesterone cream starting on the 12th day of your cycle and continuing to the 28th day, or when ever your period starts. This matches the luteal phase of your cycle when your body is already producing progesterone.
Check the label of the wild yam cream. If it does not say USP progesterone then the wild yam has not been processed to make progesterone. This has to happen in the lab. Our bodies cannot make progesterone from wild yam cream itself. If it is not USP grade progesterone then your cream is estrogenic and will not help to increase your progesterone level. The cream could still be used for NBE as a massage cream, but it will not balance estrogen dominance.
A good reference book is by Dr. John Lee: "What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause". This book outlines the treatment of estrogen dominance. I highly recommend it if you are going to use progesterone cream no matter what your age.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
nbe_please
(Login nbe_please)
Re: Ostrogen dominance brast questions
June 24 2008, 11:10 PM
Depo Provera is a BC shot that is only injected once every 3 months and is very effect BC, BUT..
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. it is synthetic progesterone (progestin) and it did absobuletly nothing for my breast, gave me some cellulite, made my hair fall out, made me depressed, completely stopped my periods (which was nice, but now that I'm off of it after 3 years of continuous use, my periods are far worse than before- cramp wise and heavy with shooting back pain sometimes). It can also REALLY screw with your adrenal glands, making you quite fatigued (so my gyno tells me).
Please dear, save yourself the hassel.. in my opinion.. it was definately NOT worth it.(I have a message posteded a few pages back in this forum with more details about the Depo shot if you want to learn more about what I went through- could help with your decision).
Moon seems to be very knowledgable about NBE. I would follow her advice. She and Louise have been helpful for me.
Goodluck