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Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006 at 5:37 AM
organic angel (Login organic_angel)
Hello all my organic beauties!
Well, by now you know I'm all about hormone balance, and how all our homones are all inter-related. I'm a fanatic about researching things, and I've been going over some of my med books to find related topics.
The endocrine system is responsible for all hormones. They are classified as major & minor. Incidentally, our female hormones are minor. (estrogen/progestin) 2 of the "major" hormones are cortisol and insulin. Perhaps you have read one of my prior posts in which I stated that diabetics have a near failure rate of nbe because of their disease. How does this concern us if we are not diabetic?
When you live a constant high-stress lifestyle, your cortisol levels remain elevated. When cortisol levels remain elevated, you slowly become insulin resistant, and when insulin levels are constantly high, it throws ALL hormones out of whack. Sleep and stress behave similiarly. When you are chronically sleep deprived, your cortisol levels become and remain elevated, which again starts to elevate your insulin levels and then when you remain in that state, again ALL hormones get whacked out of balance.
Here's another biggie ladies....once you become insulin resistant, those pounds start creeping on. Especially around the tummy. And they are pretty hard to take off, until you do what.....balance your hormones. You can exercise your butt off, but those pounds will stubbornly remain. You need to get out of insulin resistance.
Sleeping tip. Sleep for at least 6-8 hrs, and sleep in complete darkness. Any light source (night light; clock radio; computer, etc) will keep cortisol levels high. For those who are going through the same menopause hell I am, and sleep eludes me constantly, melatonin and Vit B (in combination) is recommended for sleep. Both to get to sleep and to remain asleep. (I'm DEFINITELY adding this combo starting this weekend)
I'm making a dedication to myself, to not sabatoge my routine. I am going to be highly conscious of my sleep patterns as well as keeping my stress levels at bay.
Sweet dreams and gentle lifestyles my organic beauties zzzzzzzzzzz
Organic Boobie Love
Moon
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 4:48 PM
Thanks again for the info. I'm a med student and I too try to understand NBE the best possible from scientifical aspect. I've always been a bit neglectful on my sleep and my sleeping cycle got all messed up, but I'm trying to be disciplined now and get the right ammount of sleep and at the right time.
Miss Monet
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 9:46 PM
Yeah, my "body clock" is all outta whack! Last week I was going to bed at 3-4am every day! It was terrible! I'm now trying to ween off my late hours, going to bed at 2am and then hopefully in the next couple of days by 1am and so forth. I think that NBE could very well be affected by this off-balance of sleep since I haven't been feeling any tingles since I started my new program 2 weeks ago, which was the peak of my insomnia and anxiety-episodes. But it's not just NBE that gets affected, it's everything! My energy level TOTALLY took a turn for the worst, even when I would get 8 hours of sleep. It's not so much how many hours, I think, as it is what time you go to bed (Ideally anytime before midnight is the best I've found). Also, I started getting HORRIBLE bags under my eyes as well as dark circles, from which EVERYONE would notice and tell me that I looked "tired" -- It was embarrassing! As for weight, I can believe that lack of sleep makes it hard to shed off those extra pounds. I took an aerobic class and went to the gym periodically this whole semester and I've never been able to get rid of my poochy-belly! It's irritating! But then I stop and think about my sleeping habits & stress levels and I realize that they've been up & down and around for the past semester! So can you really blame my belly? It's not easy, but I'm going to try my hardest to get back into better sleeping habits and to keep a relaxed mindset even through finals week! I'm not willing to sacrafice my beauty & health for any reason!
bonnette
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 10:01 PM
MsMonete
i happen to have the same problem with getting sleep once in a while and too often lately. it's like too many things going on my mind and the only time i have to digest them is in bed. have really started to concider some supplements for that as well. and then there are those hormonetests referring to estrogendominance if you suffer from insomina.how are you managing it?
Try some relaxation, take a deep breath...
Bonnette
Tessica
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 17 2006, 12:52 AM
This may be getting a little off-topic, but does anyone know of any natural ways to treat insomnia? I'm not talking about not being able to fall asleep occasionally, I've had chronic insomnia for about 10 years. I went to a doctor and he just gave me sleeping pills, which didn't work at all. I've tried taking valerian, and it made me really tired but still didn't put me to sleep. If anyone has ANY suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated!
Katrina
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Chammomile!...
December 17 2006, 1:01 AM
You can go to a natural health foods store and get an herbal sleeping potion or chew pills that contain chammomile (extremely relaxing), which my brother tried and it worked very well! Hope I helped.
Miss Monet
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 18 2006, 7:37 PM
Hey, Organic Angel, I'm a little confused... you say that when cortisol levels elevate "you slowly become insulin resistant", but then you also go on to say that elevated levels of coritsol *raises* insulin levels. That doesn't make sense to me... it sounds contradictory... if elevated cortisol levels make you "insulin resistant" wouldn't you then have LOW insulin levels instead of high insulin levels?
organic angel
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 6:13 AM
Miss Monet....sorry if my words didn't come out quite as clear as I intended...
"insulin resistance" is a chronic condition, it doesn't happen suddenly. A spike in cortisol, will raise or spike your insulin, but it can come down. Example; your cortisol levels raise when you exercise, but then return to normal levels. If you are suddenly in a fight-or-flight situation like being scared or in an accident, the same thing happens. When cortisol levels are constantly elevated, you develop "insulin resistance". Examples; if you lead a constant high-stress lifestyle. If you are in chronic sleep deprivation. Your body no longer processes glucose or a hormones properly. You then notice that even a seemingly healthy diet and regular exercise are not enough to keep you fit and you can't budge those stubborn pounds.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
organic angel
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Natural sleep
December 19 2006, 6:23 AM
Hi Tessica;
I'm highly against narcotics or sleep medication. Sleep medication does not allow your body to have a normal sleep pattern. Your body needs REM sleep (rapid eye movement) which is when we dream. In normal sleep, your body should go through several cycles of this a night. When you don't have a normal/natural sleep pattern, your hormones are once again the victim, and everything gets thrown out-of-whack.
I've been sleep deprived for years and years. First due to my prior profession (flight medic), and for the past several yrs due to perimenopause/menopause. Moon can I"m sure back me on this one...the medical profession is the one of the most prominent to fall victim to sleep deprivation, and you don't want to know how many doctors and other med personnel stay awake. I just started (yesterday) a new avenue of approach to hopefully cure my sleep situation. Melatonin and Vit-B combo are supposed to induce a NATURAL sleep. Melatonin is actually a hormone, and it signals to the body that the sun is going down, which produces NATURAL rest or sleep. It also is almost impossible to overdose, is not addictive, and functions not only to help you fall asleep, but keep you asleep, so that your body goes through all the normal sleep cycles it is supposed to.
I will post success with my melatonin-Vit B combo. I'm sure this will take some adjustment time, but it is funny how this option has eluded me. Better late than never I guess. Let me know if you try it and what success you have. The dose I'm taking is 3g
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
jellyboobs
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 7:24 AM
ok on that note please share your tips to get a good nights sleep if you have innsomnia etc.... thankyou jellyDee...
Tessica
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 9:11 AM
Thanks, Organic Angel!! I'll keep that in mind. Let me know how it works for you.
organic angel
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 12:11 PM
Hi Jelly: first off I posted this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here...you and your mother are in my thoughts. I wish your mother a speedy recovery, and you just being there for her, will bring her holiday cheer and oodles of love.
As for something for insomnia, melatonin is not said to be for any specific cause of inadequate sleep, so if you have "everyday insomnia" than it should be of the same benefit as any other cause of insomnia. It usually comes in either 1g or 3g tablet strengths and 3-6gms are the "recommended" nightly dose. You should always start and stay with the lowest, effective dose. Best taken with a multi vit B, and 30minutes before you are ready for slumber.
I'm only on day 2, but I can tell you that the 2nd night, I actually did have a slightly easier time falling asleep, and only awoke 3x. (yes, that's good for me) I'll post my success or lack of success.
Happy holidays Jelly, and speedy recovery to mom.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
Jen
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 12:33 PM
I've been taking GABA before going to bed. I do think I am getting better sleep because of it. I am one who tends to stay up too late and toss and turn when I do go to bed. The GABA seems to be helping.
Alcest
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 2:21 PM
I just had surgery on both my feet 4 days ago. Since then I've been resting non-stop, get plenty of sleep and have still been taking my pills (though i've been too weak to do the normal massages, so they're like 3 minute massages). I have had no tingles, pains, nothing since last week.
I thought with all this sleep my body would be working on my boobs, but I guess it is too busy healing my feet?
God I hope the pains come back. I'm depressed enough as it is.
emmie
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alcest
December 19 2006, 4:19 PM
good luck on the recovery... it is not easy to be bedridden!
that might be a reason, too... not just the stress but the lack of movement... your body isnt moving or exherting itself so it doesnt really move things (like herbs) around as well. that is just a theory... i have no medical reason to back that up...
hugs to you and a speedy recovery!
jellyboobs
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 9:50 PM
thankyou angel, Ill try the melatonin thankyouall love jelly....
Anonymous
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Melatonin
December 19 2006, 11:57 PM
Just to share my experience, I have been taking Melatonin for the last week. I take one tablet, which is 300 mcg's, and the bottle says not to exceed 10 tablets which is 3mg. I have had very good sleep with this stuff, but will only take it for another week or so. It is not supposed to be habit forming, but I still don't want my body to get used to taking something. I am hoping just to get in a better sleep habit and hopefully it will stick on it's own. Anyway, this stuff does work, I normally wake several times a night, then finally at 4:30am I just give up. Today I woke up at 6am, and realized I had snoozed the 5:15 alarm 6-7 times. I don't feel groggy or anything in the mornings, just well rested. --Sissy
organic angel
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it's natural and non-addictive
December 20 2006, 3:11 AM
Hi Sissy: Just wanted to put your mind at ease about taking melatonin. It's a NATURAL ocurring hormone in our body, and it signals the brain that the sun is/has gone down, and initiates the slowing down of all our systems and then sleep. It's not habit forming at all, other than I'm sure you are getting very used to and happy, getting natural and good quality sleep. I've taken it for 3 days now, and already can feel positive affects.
Melatonin can produce vivid dreams. Not bad, unless it's a bad one huh. Vit-B is suggested to be taken with the melatonin, especially vit-B6, as it helps the body absorb the melatonin. That is the vit-B I'm taking with mine. I'm taking 3g. I'm hoping that by reducing my stress level, due to chronic menopause induced insomnia, that this will not only help with nbe, but also balance everything else out within my system.
Sweet dreams my organic beauties zzzzzz
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
December 16 2006 at 5:37 AM
organic angel (Login organic_angel)
Hello all my organic beauties!
Well, by now you know I'm all about hormone balance, and how all our homones are all inter-related. I'm a fanatic about researching things, and I've been going over some of my med books to find related topics.
The endocrine system is responsible for all hormones. They are classified as major & minor. Incidentally, our female hormones are minor. (estrogen/progestin) 2 of the "major" hormones are cortisol and insulin. Perhaps you have read one of my prior posts in which I stated that diabetics have a near failure rate of nbe because of their disease. How does this concern us if we are not diabetic?
When you live a constant high-stress lifestyle, your cortisol levels remain elevated. When cortisol levels remain elevated, you slowly become insulin resistant, and when insulin levels are constantly high, it throws ALL hormones out of whack. Sleep and stress behave similiarly. When you are chronically sleep deprived, your cortisol levels become and remain elevated, which again starts to elevate your insulin levels and then when you remain in that state, again ALL hormones get whacked out of balance.
Here's another biggie ladies....once you become insulin resistant, those pounds start creeping on. Especially around the tummy. And they are pretty hard to take off, until you do what.....balance your hormones. You can exercise your butt off, but those pounds will stubbornly remain. You need to get out of insulin resistance.
Sleeping tip. Sleep for at least 6-8 hrs, and sleep in complete darkness. Any light source (night light; clock radio; computer, etc) will keep cortisol levels high. For those who are going through the same menopause hell I am, and sleep eludes me constantly, melatonin and Vit B (in combination) is recommended for sleep. Both to get to sleep and to remain asleep. (I'm DEFINITELY adding this combo starting this weekend)
I'm making a dedication to myself, to not sabatoge my routine. I am going to be highly conscious of my sleep patterns as well as keeping my stress levels at bay.
Sweet dreams and gentle lifestyles my organic beauties zzzzzzzzzzz
Organic Boobie Love
Moon
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 4:48 PM
Thanks again for the info. I'm a med student and I too try to understand NBE the best possible from scientifical aspect. I've always been a bit neglectful on my sleep and my sleeping cycle got all messed up, but I'm trying to be disciplined now and get the right ammount of sleep and at the right time.
Miss Monet
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 9:46 PM
Yeah, my "body clock" is all outta whack! Last week I was going to bed at 3-4am every day! It was terrible! I'm now trying to ween off my late hours, going to bed at 2am and then hopefully in the next couple of days by 1am and so forth. I think that NBE could very well be affected by this off-balance of sleep since I haven't been feeling any tingles since I started my new program 2 weeks ago, which was the peak of my insomnia and anxiety-episodes. But it's not just NBE that gets affected, it's everything! My energy level TOTALLY took a turn for the worst, even when I would get 8 hours of sleep. It's not so much how many hours, I think, as it is what time you go to bed (Ideally anytime before midnight is the best I've found). Also, I started getting HORRIBLE bags under my eyes as well as dark circles, from which EVERYONE would notice and tell me that I looked "tired" -- It was embarrassing! As for weight, I can believe that lack of sleep makes it hard to shed off those extra pounds. I took an aerobic class and went to the gym periodically this whole semester and I've never been able to get rid of my poochy-belly! It's irritating! But then I stop and think about my sleeping habits & stress levels and I realize that they've been up & down and around for the past semester! So can you really blame my belly? It's not easy, but I'm going to try my hardest to get back into better sleeping habits and to keep a relaxed mindset even through finals week! I'm not willing to sacrafice my beauty & health for any reason!
bonnette
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 16 2006, 10:01 PM
MsMonete
i happen to have the same problem with getting sleep once in a while and too often lately. it's like too many things going on my mind and the only time i have to digest them is in bed. have really started to concider some supplements for that as well. and then there are those hormonetests referring to estrogendominance if you suffer from insomina.how are you managing it?
Try some relaxation, take a deep breath...
Bonnette
Tessica
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 17 2006, 12:52 AM
This may be getting a little off-topic, but does anyone know of any natural ways to treat insomnia? I'm not talking about not being able to fall asleep occasionally, I've had chronic insomnia for about 10 years. I went to a doctor and he just gave me sleeping pills, which didn't work at all. I've tried taking valerian, and it made me really tired but still didn't put me to sleep. If anyone has ANY suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated!
Katrina
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Chammomile!...
December 17 2006, 1:01 AM
You can go to a natural health foods store and get an herbal sleeping potion or chew pills that contain chammomile (extremely relaxing), which my brother tried and it worked very well! Hope I helped.
Miss Monet
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 18 2006, 7:37 PM
Hey, Organic Angel, I'm a little confused... you say that when cortisol levels elevate "you slowly become insulin resistant", but then you also go on to say that elevated levels of coritsol *raises* insulin levels. That doesn't make sense to me... it sounds contradictory... if elevated cortisol levels make you "insulin resistant" wouldn't you then have LOW insulin levels instead of high insulin levels?
organic angel
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 6:13 AM
Miss Monet....sorry if my words didn't come out quite as clear as I intended...
"insulin resistance" is a chronic condition, it doesn't happen suddenly. A spike in cortisol, will raise or spike your insulin, but it can come down. Example; your cortisol levels raise when you exercise, but then return to normal levels. If you are suddenly in a fight-or-flight situation like being scared or in an accident, the same thing happens. When cortisol levels are constantly elevated, you develop "insulin resistance". Examples; if you lead a constant high-stress lifestyle. If you are in chronic sleep deprivation. Your body no longer processes glucose or a hormones properly. You then notice that even a seemingly healthy diet and regular exercise are not enough to keep you fit and you can't budge those stubborn pounds.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
organic angel
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Natural sleep
December 19 2006, 6:23 AM
Hi Tessica;
I'm highly against narcotics or sleep medication. Sleep medication does not allow your body to have a normal sleep pattern. Your body needs REM sleep (rapid eye movement) which is when we dream. In normal sleep, your body should go through several cycles of this a night. When you don't have a normal/natural sleep pattern, your hormones are once again the victim, and everything gets thrown out-of-whack.
I've been sleep deprived for years and years. First due to my prior profession (flight medic), and for the past several yrs due to perimenopause/menopause. Moon can I"m sure back me on this one...the medical profession is the one of the most prominent to fall victim to sleep deprivation, and you don't want to know how many doctors and other med personnel stay awake. I just started (yesterday) a new avenue of approach to hopefully cure my sleep situation. Melatonin and Vit-B combo are supposed to induce a NATURAL sleep. Melatonin is actually a hormone, and it signals to the body that the sun is going down, which produces NATURAL rest or sleep. It also is almost impossible to overdose, is not addictive, and functions not only to help you fall asleep, but keep you asleep, so that your body goes through all the normal sleep cycles it is supposed to.
I will post success with my melatonin-Vit B combo. I'm sure this will take some adjustment time, but it is funny how this option has eluded me. Better late than never I guess. Let me know if you try it and what success you have. The dose I'm taking is 3g
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
jellyboobs
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 7:24 AM
ok on that note please share your tips to get a good nights sleep if you have innsomnia etc.... thankyou jellyDee...
Tessica
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 9:11 AM
Thanks, Organic Angel!! I'll keep that in mind. Let me know how it works for you.
organic angel
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 12:11 PM
Hi Jelly: first off I posted this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here...you and your mother are in my thoughts. I wish your mother a speedy recovery, and you just being there for her, will bring her holiday cheer and oodles of love.
As for something for insomnia, melatonin is not said to be for any specific cause of inadequate sleep, so if you have "everyday insomnia" than it should be of the same benefit as any other cause of insomnia. It usually comes in either 1g or 3g tablet strengths and 3-6gms are the "recommended" nightly dose. You should always start and stay with the lowest, effective dose. Best taken with a multi vit B, and 30minutes before you are ready for slumber.
I'm only on day 2, but I can tell you that the 2nd night, I actually did have a slightly easier time falling asleep, and only awoke 3x. (yes, that's good for me) I'll post my success or lack of success.
Happy holidays Jelly, and speedy recovery to mom.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
Jen
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 12:33 PM
I've been taking GABA before going to bed. I do think I am getting better sleep because of it. I am one who tends to stay up too late and toss and turn when I do go to bed. The GABA seems to be helping.
Alcest
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 2:21 PM
I just had surgery on both my feet 4 days ago. Since then I've been resting non-stop, get plenty of sleep and have still been taking my pills (though i've been too weak to do the normal massages, so they're like 3 minute massages). I have had no tingles, pains, nothing since last week.
I thought with all this sleep my body would be working on my boobs, but I guess it is too busy healing my feet?
God I hope the pains come back. I'm depressed enough as it is.
emmie
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alcest
December 19 2006, 4:19 PM
good luck on the recovery... it is not easy to be bedridden!
that might be a reason, too... not just the stress but the lack of movement... your body isnt moving or exherting itself so it doesnt really move things (like herbs) around as well. that is just a theory... i have no medical reason to back that up...
hugs to you and a speedy recovery!
jellyboobs
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Re: Sleep, Stress Reduction and NBE
December 19 2006, 9:50 PM
thankyou angel, Ill try the melatonin thankyouall love jelly....
Anonymous
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Melatonin
December 19 2006, 11:57 PM
Just to share my experience, I have been taking Melatonin for the last week. I take one tablet, which is 300 mcg's, and the bottle says not to exceed 10 tablets which is 3mg. I have had very good sleep with this stuff, but will only take it for another week or so. It is not supposed to be habit forming, but I still don't want my body to get used to taking something. I am hoping just to get in a better sleep habit and hopefully it will stick on it's own. Anyway, this stuff does work, I normally wake several times a night, then finally at 4:30am I just give up. Today I woke up at 6am, and realized I had snoozed the 5:15 alarm 6-7 times. I don't feel groggy or anything in the mornings, just well rested. --Sissy
organic angel
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it's natural and non-addictive
December 20 2006, 3:11 AM
Hi Sissy: Just wanted to put your mind at ease about taking melatonin. It's a NATURAL ocurring hormone in our body, and it signals the brain that the sun is/has gone down, and initiates the slowing down of all our systems and then sleep. It's not habit forming at all, other than I'm sure you are getting very used to and happy, getting natural and good quality sleep. I've taken it for 3 days now, and already can feel positive affects.
Melatonin can produce vivid dreams. Not bad, unless it's a bad one huh. Vit-B is suggested to be taken with the melatonin, especially vit-B6, as it helps the body absorb the melatonin. That is the vit-B I'm taking with mine. I'm taking 3g. I'm hoping that by reducing my stress level, due to chronic menopause induced insomnia, that this will not only help with nbe, but also balance everything else out within my system.
Sweet dreams my organic beauties zzzzzz
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties