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To Group 3 dowsers
September 23 2007 at 8:42 AM Wenonae (Login wenonae)
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Hi Ladies-
I started a discussion on the types of dowsers here and what I'd like to do is try to enable the people who are in Group 3 a way to learn how to read their body to figure out the BE thing.
First of all, group 3 includes those who can't dowse ever and those who are for the moment unable to dowse.
'Dowse' implies getting information spiritually. If you are not getting it spiritually, then you get it physically.
The crux will be how to figure out how to read the body since a 'tool' will not work (muscle-testing nor a pendulum).
I have figured out that there is an innate accuracy someone can have using only their physical intuition. The maximum can be as much as 95%...pretty darn good. However, whatever your maximum potential accuracy is- it can not be improved. I started rating some people already. That percentage is good to know so that you understand that generally, you'll be XX% right. If you're above or close to 80%, go with the gut decision you feel.
Now- how the heck to rev up reading your guy intuition (inner self)?
I feel the only way to do this is via some basic meditation with deep breathing so you can 'hear yourself'.
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Find a quiet place, close your eyes and begin listening to your breathing. This helps you to remain focused on space and serenity, instead of the busy thoughts and internal conversations we all experience during the day. You can simply tell your mind to let go of any distracting thoughts as they come up, and return to focusing on your breathing. Inhale peace, and exhale any thoughts or tension that may occur.
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You'll need to go to this 'place' for a few moments a day. Pay attention to how your body feels, your awareness is, etc.
Here's a good
Immediately after you finish the exercise- hold an item in both hands that you KNOW is bad for you (like a piece of chocolate). Close your eyes. What do you notice? Anything? Now, put that item down and pick something up you KNOW is good for you (like a some honey). How do you feel then? Keep doing this exercise after times of meditation until you can notice what the difference is. Know it will be subtle. After your signal is figured out, then you will ask yourself questions after you meditate and see what you 'feel'. Doing this I'm sure you can develop your BE program.
Here's a way to rate how good your accuracy is. Dab 8 small pieces of paper with honey and fold them up. Do the same with 4 pieces of paper with chocolate swabs. Pull each piece of paper out of a pile and separate into good vs. bad. See how many you get rite out of 12. Say you got 9/12. (you can use more pieces of paper if you'd like..this is just an example). Your accuracy in this case is 75%. Not too shabby.
I'll rate your potential gut accuracy here. I think I'll have permissions to do that at least for most.
Wen' :-)
This message has been edited by wenonae on Sep 30, 2007 6:30 PM
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silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 24 2007, 4:23 AM
Hi Wen,
Can you please rate my potential gut accuracy? Thank you!
Wenonae
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Silv's potential gut accuracy
September 24 2007, 4:40 AM
87%. Nice.
Wen'
silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 27 2007, 5:29 PM
thank you for your help Wen. i hope i can use my gut feeling soon.
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 29 2007, 6:47 PM
Hi Wen, I have one question - I've always had a kindof gut feeling that NBE will never work for me. :s How do I find out if I'm right (aside from trying, wasting money and getting frustrated)?
Wenonae
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Oh boy! Really?
September 30 2007, 4:32 AM
Hi Moon-
Well, lo and behold. Do have permissions to answer that basic question for you!
The answer is: no :-(. So! You're more clued in that you think! But wth?! :-( No NBE?
Also got: Breast implant augmentation surgery isn't a viable option. There is a way for you to increase breast size though. It isn't injection of fat cells..but injection of HgH! See how you feel when you read that.
Now, from what I understand..injections of HgH aren't really 'pure'...but whatever it is..it'll be enough to help your body go off on its own- so be sure it's a somatropin (something that causes HgH to rise). And the most incredible part is that you only need 2 shots (checked again..and it must be a shot). I've just never had this indicated before. I do have permissions to find a source for you...but I'll just wait to see if you feel comfortable with it. So Google up info and let me know.
Have you tried to do any meditations to center yourself so you can read your gut instincts, yet? I know it's only been a few days..just wondered if you'd try. If you do, post back so others can see and learn.
Wen'
This message has been edited by wenonae on Sep 30, 2007 7:12 AM
silv
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Is it for me?
September 30 2007, 6:09 AM
Hi Wen, sorry to ask you this but are you referring the HgH to me or Moon? I know you told me you have no permissions to ask if BO gonna work for me so you have the permission to find out that NBE and implants are not going to work or agree with me? For implants my gut feeling tells me that i will get sick from it that's why i never went for it. eventhough i'm not sure if you're referring HgH to me but i did research about Somatrophin injection and it doesn't sound bad at all. I meditate for a few minutes each day but i didn't really test my ability yet. I have tried chocolate as something "bad" and honey (for my throat) as "good" I think i got something but i just need the answer to be more consistant.I will keep trying until i get at least 8 out of 10. Thanks again Wen!
Wenonae
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Sorry Silv!
September 30 2007, 7:17 AM
Total typo- that message was to Moon!
But the meditation part was for you (still not used to the board layout quite). oops!
K, this one is to you! :-D
Have no permissions for NBE about you, but have some regarding implants. Def a no for you.
Good idea to try to get 8/10. What you should do is put a little dab of honey on 8 pieces of paper and fold it up. Then put a dab of chocolate on 4 pieces of paper and fold them up. After your meditation, piece up a piece of paper and decide if it's chocolate or honey. See how many you get right.
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 12:07 PM
Wen - Wow, well I did suspect GH mayself. I've been trying to do some 'manipulation' of my own GH in my recent NBE attempts. The rare occasions when I get growing pains always happen late in the afternoon when there's a natrual GH peak - if I apply vacum to my breasts, which sucks more blood and thus GH into them.
But getting a shot of GH seems kinda extreme and risky to me! Particualry what other effects it might have of me. I'm considering it tho. From what I googled today, I learnt that there are many fake GH products sold. I also dunno how to give myself a shot, tho I'm a student of medicine, but I've never injected myself or anyone (I hope I'll be learning that soon tho).
I'd deffinitely have to do a thorough research and think about this opption very well. But if you can find out where I could get GH and what regimen would help me grow boobs, please do.
I've been placing my hopes on my current rotuine tho, which I based on prolactin stimulating herbs and manipulation of my own GH (stimulating it nturally with excercise, diet and directing it into the breast with vacum/suction). Could you ask whether this method would be at least moderately sucessful for me? Thanks a bunch!
Oh, I did that meditiation test thingy too. Both items gave me a distinctive feeling - the positive item felt like it flowed into me through my chest and gave me this general positive feeling, and the negative item felt as if sth blocked it from flowing into me and gave me this general negative feeling. Curiously I've had these gut feelins before, but I never tried to call them deliberately, I only got them for questions and things which I asked myself and wondered about anyway, like NBE. nd for example another such question I have a really strong gut feeling on is ''who's the guy I'll marry?'' lol.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Sep 30, 2007 12:55 PM
silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 5:04 PM
great idea Wen, My experience is different from Moon though. When i have the chocolate in my hand i tend to have energy flowing on the left side of my body and i feel like something is pulling me to the left side and the honey is the opposite. Do you think that's the right feeling i supposed to get? Very intersting that i'm very different from Moon. Wen if you could please dowse the basic question for me too. Is NBE going to work for me at all? I did waste a lot of money but should i keep wasting money on NBE....lol Thanks Wen
silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 5:06 PM
great idea Wen, My experience is different from Moon though. When i have the chocolate in my hand i tend to have energy flowing on the left side of my body and i feel like something is pulling me to the left side and the honey is the opposite. Do you think that's the right feeling i supposed to get? Very intersting that i'm very different from Moon. Wen if you could please dowse the basic question for me too. Is NBE going to work for me at all? I did waste a lot of money but should i keep wasting money on NBE....lol Thanks Wen
Wenonae
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Ooo...oooh!
September 30 2007, 6:22 PM
To Moon:
Yay! I too excited to see that you can feel the response difference when holding the chocolate and honey!! I think that'll be part of the exercise I have above. Fact, going to edit that right now.
Also, I can check about the current regimen you're doing (also..did you know HgH also spikes at nite when you go to sleep?). Your current regimen where 10= effective, is only 3.8/10. Just means it'll take a while..but it's doing 'something'. Estimation is 3.2 years to reach your healthy maximum size (no permissions to say what that is).
Yeah! I totally was thinking the shots were a bit radical, so I briefly researched into other methods of receiving HgH. As I was reading, I felt there was another suitable otpion..so I dowse-asked about pill-form. And I found some pills!! :-D http://www.revitle.com/
These will take 5 months to have you reach your max size in healthiest manner. The shots would get you there in 3 months. Personally, I'd feel most comfortable doing the pills. Previously, I'd only asked about THE fastest,healthiest means. Gotta love options.
To Silv:
It so totally normal to have a different response than someone. What you're doing is learning how YOUR body responds. THANKS for the feedback. I'm really excited about it! This way everyone has a way to know what's best for their systems. :-D Yeah..so no, don't have permissions to answer about 'will NBE work'. But this is prolly because you can readily answer the question yourself. So give it a go. ;-)
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 7:21 PM
Lol I actually didn't use chockolate and honey, those are both bad for me.
Uhh, my current routine is costing me 100 euros a month.
But, those pills are just some vitamins and minerals, no GH. In any case, GH can't be taken in pill form cause it's a protein so it gets digested. The problem is that you can only get a GH shot with a doctor's perscription and that's a bit hard.
Wen, could you please dowse for me the following questions, sorry there's so many: Is GH my major obstruction for NBE? How effective would stimulation of my own GH be? Would I get any negative effects (like growing taller, I don't want that) from either the shots or the stimulation? Do I have any other obstructions for NBE? How good / contributive are galactogogues for my NBE? How effective is Wonderup for me? Tkanks a lot, and sorry for so many questions lol.
Wenonae
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LOL..lol..aww, Moon!
September 30 2007, 10:20 PM
You're making my universal test not universal. LOL. BOTH of them are bad for you (honey AND chocolate)? Guess I'll need to dowse on a suitable test subject. But I'll do that later. Hmmm, while I have you- what about good= water, bad= chocolate? BTW, what did you do your test with?
K, you said you had a lot of questions..and you do. LOL. Let me tell you, those pills will INDUCE your HgH to raise. As you already know...injection is just about the only way to get HgH kind of pure. However, apparently this combo pill will "hook you up".
Is GH my major obstruction for NBE? Get yes
How effective would stimulation of my own GH be? NO PERMISSIONS
Would I get any negative effects (like growing taller, I don't want that) from either the shots or the stimulation? NO PERMISSIONS
Do I have any other obstructions for NBE? NO PERMISSIONS
How good / contributive are galactogogues for my NBE? Get NOT A GOOD IDEA AT ALL.
How effective is Wonderup for me? rates 0.1/10 That'd be a DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. lol.
Could you try the exercise with chocolate and water when you have a chance?
Wen'
This message has been edited by wenonae on Oct 1, 2007 7:32 PM
Lost Sheep
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 1:25 AM
Politely butting in, if I may.
Moon, if you're looking to up your production of HGH, you might want to look into using a good CalMag product right before bed, taken on an empty stomach. I'm trying to up HGH myself, and this was recommended to me. The powdered form that you turn into a hot 'tea' of sorts is supposed to be the most easily absorbed, even though it tastes pretty nasty. I have read in a few places that this is effective but cannot find a concrete study that proves it one way or another, and I haven't been doing it long enough to know if it will bring measurable changes in my body. Still, I feel it is safe and hasn't caused me any problems, and it does help me sleep better/deeper, which is good on its own for hormones.
Hope this helps,
Kate
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 10:12 AM
Wenonae,
Would it be possible to rate my gut intuition? I tend to be pretty horrible; I find something and think it will work, spend all my money and time on it only to find it isn't really what I need. I've been doing this for a good 2 and a half years now to no avail.
I'm thinking of doing a full detox and cleanse to try and clear the slate...but after that I don't know if I want to trust my gut as to what to try next, or what to try again.
Thanks
*much luck and love for all!*
Wenonae
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October 1 2007, 7:30 PM
Hi Rinoa_Lewis-
I get your potential accuracy is 32%. Yikes.
So digging into what's going on..you've got energy blockage. Do some torso-twisting stretches (twist to left, then twist to the right. arms are held out to the front and follow the body. To increase stretch, hold right hand when twisting to the left until the arm is all the way to the side and hold for 15 seconds. Do same on right side). Do 7 reps each side.
You'll need to do this every week for 3 weeks. This will bring your chi up and allow your potential accuracy to be 77%. :-D
Wen'
waxingmoon
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About Human Growth Hormone
October 1 2007, 7:44 PM
Moon,
Just some FYI stuff you might find interesting.
Human growth hormone (Hgh) is naturally produced in response to intense muscular contractions. The contractions must be near the point of muscular failure and very deep (close to the bone). Normal exercise is probably not going to create that kind of contraction. Power lifting and other weight training that concentrates on low repetitions at high weights will produce this kind of contraction.
The problem is that this kind of weight training is risky because taking the body to that level increases the risk of injury. I would never advise a novice to attempt this kind of training - however, after doing 6 to 12 weeks of progressive resistance training a person may be able to create an intense workout with limited risk. The key would be to do the research first to understand what the plan of workouts should be, work with an experienced trainer to build the initial strength -and most importantly when the body is properly prepared for it - do only 1 intense workout per week.
The body must also be supported with appropriate amounts of protein and lots of rest.
Hgh is highly regulated by the pituitary and secreted very sparingly. It causes body wide muscular enhancement and also rejuvenative changes. Some consider it the fountain of youth. HOWEVER, it is also potentially one of the most harmful substances if taken out of context with the body's natural rhythm . Too much hgh will cause a host of complications from psychological problems to cancer. Think of it as a precursor to steroids and you will understand its potential destructiveness.
Don't get injections. Number one, no doctor worth his or her license would proscribe injections of hgh for the reasons you would want them for. Second they harvest hgh from the pituitary glands of cadavers -not a good idea in this day and age of transmittable diseases. Third - it wears off - just like those who take steroids then stop - the results go away.
You can safely however promote your own hgh through what I described above and other means. There are some products that supposedly give you the precursor agents to manufacture your own hgh, but I am skeptical if they work as claimed.
By the way, once your bone growth plates have closed, you will not grow any taller. If you are over the age of about 25 then you are the tallest you will ever be.
waxingmoon
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 8:54 PM
Wen - Ooooh, it's an universal test?? Lol I didn't know that. But to be more accurate - I assume, in theory, both chockolate and honey are bad for me, because both are shuggary and I have high androgens. But in practice, I couldn't really say whether they are good or bad for me. I have acne, but it doesn't get any worse when I eat chockolate. I also don't notice anything positive or negative with honey. I will do that test one of these days when I'm not busy and tired, I'll definitely keep trying to develop that gut feeling and meditation does good to me also. I have a really strong feeling for some things, but for others I don't manage to find it. WU didn't give me any feeling, or just sth like not positive and not negative. And it's particulary hard to know when I'm really getting it objectively and not influencing it in my mind.
Thanks a lot for helping me on NBE, most of your answers do make a lot of sense for me. The only thing that doesn't seem to tho is that product - it doesn't contain any factor which is a known HGH stimulant. Gosh, no method seems to work for me, I dunno what else to try. Could you pls dowse just one more thing for me - how effective would this program be: soy, nettle root, flax seed oil + deep agressive massage + GH stimulation + vacum. Thanks a lot.
KCiccone - I haven't been able to find that product to see what it conains. But from what I was able to research, the best way to raise HGH naturally is with certain amino acids, particualry arginine and glutamine. Arginine is recquired in a very high dose, at least 10 g, but glutamine is enoguh at 2 g. But it's a bit more tricky - certain compounds must be present and certain must be absent. Carbs and all other amino acids must be absent and choline and vitamin B5 must be present. So the best way to achieve this would be with a combined supplement on an empty stomach.
Waxingmoon - Thanks for chiping in, however I would correct you in a few places. HGH is not a precursor to steroids - it's a peptide hormone and steroids are sterols - made from cholesterole. It's also not isolated from cadavers anymore, today it's made in a lab. The info I have on exercise stimultion of GH is a bit different, tho to basically the same result. Exercise has to be intense, above the lactate level (eg. anaerobic cellular respiration is taking place where lactate forms (lactate causes the well known muscle acke)). I've found web-pages which describe a regiment which should work for stimulating GH - for example, 10 minutes of intense work out, exercise to rest ratio 1 : 3, 3 times a week. I've done this regimen a few times, but I didn't manage to get physical / prceivable sign of my GH rising (like boob pains). However this exercise regimen is very good for me, it helps my condition, it gets me energised and helps for my cronic tiredness.
I probably won't try the aminoacids for stimulation of GH because I'm only 22 which means that my epyphiseal cartilages are probably not closed yet, eventhouh I don't grow anymore, so this could very likely make me grow a couple of inces more and I really don't want that cause I'm tall already.
From what I know, a couple of injections of GH couldn't hurt me, cause it wouldn't be much different from a normal physiological surge of GH (which occure around 5 times a day). It's the continous use which has extreme (either positive o ngative) effects. But there's no way I could get a shot, my doctor would never give it to me, I'm quite sure GH treatment is used only and solely for stuned children in my country.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Oct 1, 2007 8:57 PM
Wenonae
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 10:19 PM
Heya Moon-
So here's the thing. I know the ingredients for those pills are not amino acids, however the combination will cause your body to react to naturally raise your HgH. Apparently you're lacking this synergistic action in your system.
So your regimen of "soy, nettle root, flax seed oil + deep agressive massage + GH stimulation + vacum" only rates 4.8/10. So you're getting better..but this program would still take years to get you progress.
I wrote and rated each item in Revitale pills and rated them as it pertains to you (10= abs needed for BE. Did it fast way..seeing if it was 9.5+ or higher)
Vitamin A- 9.5+
Vitamin C- 9.8+
Vitamin E- 10
Selenium- 9.5+
Coenzyme Q10- 9.5+
Omega 3 & 6- 9.8+
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine- 9.5+
Alpha Lipoic Acid- 9.5+
Gingko Biloba Ext.- 9.5+
Hawthorne- 9.5+
Siberian Ginseng- 9.8+
Cordyceps Sinensis- 10
Bilberry- 9.5+
Green Tea Ext.- 10
Grape Seed Ext.- 10
So, you can buy all of these things...or get the combo pill. You don't need all the BE herb or glandular stuff..just gotta help give your body the right nutrients so it can do what it's supposed to on its own.
Wen'
waxingmoon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 3:33 AM
Moon,
Thanks for catching my mistake about Hgh/steroid. I had somehow bound them together in my mind due to the anabolic effect of both. I also hadn't realized they had created a successful synthesized Hgh.
I am not sure I fully understand the lactate threshold method - it seems they are saying that the exercise must be sustained 10 minutes past the lactic threshold -which would mean a seriously uncomfortable long time of muscle burning. I can see with both methods (intense muscle building versus aerobic lactic threshold) that care must be taken to not overdo it. To much intensity = greater risk of injury and too much aerobic = lower growth hormone and too much cortisol.
Thanks for the info,
waxingmoon
Rinoa_Lewis
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 10:54 AM
Wenonae,
Thanks for the advice...77 is better than 32!
*much luck and love for all!*
amy
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could you tell me if this ee will work for me
October 2 2007, 12:58 PM
i would love to know what nbe method would work for me
Wenonae
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To Amy, Re: EE
October 2 2007, 5:46 PM
K, have permissions.
Best method- EE
2nd best method- herbs + vitamins + amino acids
Max potential healthiest cup increase from EE- 3.2 cups in 8-9 months
Max potential healthiest cup increase from herbs, etc.- 3.1 cups in 9-10 months
Wen'
amy
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thank you so much for doing that for me
October 2 2007, 7:30 PM
Am wondering if pm will work for me also?
I would love to try ee but i need to save some money -i just ordered pm full potential and progesterone creme.(just started my period yesterday so have to wait)Can i do both?
Do i need to buy the book that goes with ee 2 ?
And i had a not so good reaction to fg and the other breast herbs,do u think this would bother me considering the dose is sooo low on fg and sp?
And last question so if i take vitamins n amino acids(ALL of them ???)
i just take the ee once a month 4 3 months and then within 8-9 months my breasts will grow 3.2 cups??????
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 7:56 PM
Thanks again Wen. Oh well, 4.8 doesn't seem that bad, considering I'm a really tough case for NBE. I did that routine for a short while once, kindof meanwhile I was thinking up a better idea, and it actually gave me more pains that what I'm doing now, and my only inch of growth.
I can't order anything on-line, much less from US, but I can get everything in that product except for Hawthorne and Cordyceps Sinensis (interesting ingredient, a fungus O.o). I have one question - does the number you get evaluate how good somthing is for me in general, or how helpful it is for breast growth?
Waxingmoon - I think the regimen is supposed 10 minutes, fom which the ratio of exercise : rest is 1 : 3. I get a bit of muscle acke the next day, but it's ok. Tho for it to actually stimulate GH significantly one would have to have to be on an even higher level I think, and combined with the right diet.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Oct 2, 2007 7:56 PM
Wenonae
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Oooo- Moon, you're not in US
October 2 2007, 10:13 PM
All the ratings were those items as it relates to your BE. Maybe I missed something? The www.revitle.com site lists a number of countries to ship to. Oooh..so maybe you just can't order online in general. Do you have health food stores nearby? Maybe check into other products on the shelf which list similar ingredients. I'll prolly be able to help rate those products for you. More than one way to skin a cat ;-)
Where in the world are you?
Wen'
Wenonae
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 10:28 PM
Amy- the list above is all that will work for your BE in safest manner. All the rest BO, PM, progesterone etc just will not go well with your system.
EE comes with the eBook, but I was asked to sell it separately. If one gets EE later, the eBook costs will be deducted.
"And i had a not so good reaction to fg and the other breast herbs,do u think this would bother me considering the dose is sooo low on fg and sp?"
**ANSWER: it could cause some reaction..but no where as near if you were taking it directly.
"And last question so if i take vitamins n amino acids(ALL of them ???)
i just take the ee once a month 4 3 months and then within 8-9 months my breasts will grow 3.2 cups??????"
**ANSWER: I'm not sure what you're saying here about the aminos and all. However, I didn't go into detail checking about spiritual, mental, or physical blocks or impedances. I didn't check extra details like if you'd need to eat more fruits or if you need vitamins, etc and other details the eBook walks you through...just estimated best-case bottom line. However, seeing that individual herbs would get you about the same, you probably don't need a lot of extra stuff either way. Lucky you.
Here's a thought...buy bulk herbs. You can make your own capsules. They are generally fresher than pre-bottled stuffs so it's more potent (less pills, yay.) Herbs on their own are just vile-tasting to me. Yeech.
You're in group 3 as it relates to dowsing. So try the exercise in this thread to see what you can pick up what your 5 senses about what to use.
Wen'
Louise
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 3 2007, 4:16 PM
Hi Wen,
This is going to sound very ignorant but I thought dowsing was about pointing a stick in a field to find water? I understand how someone could just have a feel for what is good or bad for their own body and this is how I fixed my skin problem, I just felt a yearning for a particular cream (even though I was recommended to use some other things which didn't help), I tried the cream I wanted and was fixed in days.
My question is how can you do this for someone you've never seen and know nothing about? Are people emailing you their details? (I have read the other dowsing thread too) Also when you say you ask permission, who are you asking it from?
I guess this makes me like a group 4 or something!?
Wenonae
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Answer to Louise
October 3 2007, 9:30 PM
Hey Louise-
Boy, LOL...your post made me smile so big..LOL. Guess this could seem hocus pocus. I'll try to explain things another way here.
Hokay- dowsing can be described as connecting to a big computer server (All- Knowing level) then using it to access information about a lot of things- where you are on Earth, where other items are that you need are on Earth (like water), where ailments are in your body, what can you do to correct fix ailments, etc. Dowsing is energy-reading from a spiritual level. Everything you can imagine has some sort of energy vibration. You can use different tools to read this energy- a pendulum, sticks, your own body. Ever wonder about the phenomenon of how we can shock someone with static electricity? We all have charges/energy within us...most of us just aren't aware of how sophisticated our sensing system is- even if you only stick to the 5 senses.
Humans aren't the only ones who do it. All sorts of animals do (that's another story). But think of the cats and dogs who find their way back to their owners' new home they have never been to. Think about how ants or bees even know where the heck their nest is.
So, when I'm doing a reading of a person- I'm not getting e-mails them and making an assessment. I'm accessing an All-Knowing level and through that I can read what that person needs. On my own..I'd have no clue- I could only discern was is good for myself (hunches, gut intuition).
Permissions- is a preparatory statement said when seeking info. Just because we can access that High level, doesn't mean we have any business getting it. So a meticulous dowser will ask- "May I ask about _____?, Should I ask about _____?, Can I ask about _____?" especially when they are getting information about someone else. However, this should be asked in general if you're not sure about the subject (relationships, lottery, etc.).
Not to go too deep, but there's some things God simply doesn't want us to know or do for someone. If you don't respect that boundary, you'll either get faulty info (if you innocently didn't get permissions) or will be denied the ability to dowse. It's a skill ...but it's also a gift.
Wen'
Sara
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Hi Wenonae
October 4 2007, 3:06 AM
I would like to know if you could help me. I was taking herbs for a while, specifically Fenugreek and had some growth with it but stalled. I then did a cleanse and switched to BO, right around the time that I switched jobs and I felt the BO was making me too emotional. I want to start again, but I am worried. I would like to start BO again, what do you think?
Thanks so much+
Sara
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October 4 2007, 7:19 PM
Sara,
Unfortunately I don't have permissions to help you in specific. However, I am allowed to tell you that you're in Group 3..so give the meditation exercise a try.
My personal opinion is that you the BO is prolly too much for your system. If you stalled before, try ramping up slower this time. Start about 750-800mg fenu + wild yam for example and see what happens.
Wen'
Sara
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October 5 2007, 2:02 AM
Thank you Wen+
I think you are right, BO is too much for my system. I am scared of everything right now, and think I just need to continue on this break.
Thanks so much for your help.
Wishing you the best,
Sara
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October 8 2007, 2:42 AM
Wenonae, can you dowse for me? I would really appreciate it. I cannot dowse. I have been having a bad feeling that I am taking something bad for me. can you please dowse for me. I am suspecting the black cohosh and possibly red clover. here is my routine:
1 Gelatin drink mix daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I am thinking of increasing or adding back in fenugreek
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg (one dose AM and one PM)
planning to add goat's rue, pumpkin seed, and licorice root soon
plus still taking these other herbal things:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend
as you can see this is everything I take even non-nbe related. Some of these are just for overall health and some are for stress. all mg's are in TOTAL daily mg's
do you think this is ok?
Wenonae
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October 8 2007, 8:58 AM
Hey Keiyah-
Yeah, confirm you're in Group 3. Wow! What a list for health...but I've had some just as long.
Let's see here- do have permissions to help discern if anything is bad for ya.
Healthy help- Vit C, Mag, Papaya, 5-htp, kelp, benedryl, valerian root, goat's rue, herbal hernia, mood blend.
BE help- black cohosh, (missing 2 items here not fenugreek, not fennel. wild yam and something else).
Not much help/not good with rest of what you're taking- Gelatin, collagen, dong quai, red clover, pumpkin seed, licorice root.
Bottomline- your hunches are correct.:-D Your potential accuracy is 90%. So def trust your gut.
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 10 2007, 7:44 PM
Omg I fiiinaly found some time to do the hypnosis relaxation thing again and the chockolate honey test. So chockolate gives me 'not too good' and honey gives me 'not too bad', but neither gives me a really strong feeling. I don't feel much with any of them.
Wen - Your dowsing for me suggests that my detox system is kinda bad! I couldn't tell from definite phisical signs whether this is true or not, I do have cronic tiredness which can be a conscequence of toxins, but also of a number of other conditions. I've been trying to locate the cause of my tirdness for years and haven't managed so far. I did add grape seed extract to my rotuine now and a multivitamin (yeah, I haven't been taking one thus far lol).
Oh and yeah I can't oder from the net cause I don't have a credit card (I've found a couple of stores which take my wire transfter tho) and I'm in Europe (I'd rather not give specific location cause I'm kinda paranoid lol :I). Shipping and even bank services to US cost a fortune.
September 23 2007 at 8:42 AM Wenonae (Login wenonae)
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Hi Ladies-
I started a discussion on the types of dowsers here and what I'd like to do is try to enable the people who are in Group 3 a way to learn how to read their body to figure out the BE thing.
First of all, group 3 includes those who can't dowse ever and those who are for the moment unable to dowse.
'Dowse' implies getting information spiritually. If you are not getting it spiritually, then you get it physically.
The crux will be how to figure out how to read the body since a 'tool' will not work (muscle-testing nor a pendulum).
I have figured out that there is an innate accuracy someone can have using only their physical intuition. The maximum can be as much as 95%...pretty darn good. However, whatever your maximum potential accuracy is- it can not be improved. I started rating some people already. That percentage is good to know so that you understand that generally, you'll be XX% right. If you're above or close to 80%, go with the gut decision you feel.
Now- how the heck to rev up reading your guy intuition (inner self)?
I feel the only way to do this is via some basic meditation with deep breathing so you can 'hear yourself'.
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Find a quiet place, close your eyes and begin listening to your breathing. This helps you to remain focused on space and serenity, instead of the busy thoughts and internal conversations we all experience during the day. You can simply tell your mind to let go of any distracting thoughts as they come up, and return to focusing on your breathing. Inhale peace, and exhale any thoughts or tension that may occur.
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You'll need to go to this 'place' for a few moments a day. Pay attention to how your body feels, your awareness is, etc.
Here's a good
Immediately after you finish the exercise- hold an item in both hands that you KNOW is bad for you (like a piece of chocolate). Close your eyes. What do you notice? Anything? Now, put that item down and pick something up you KNOW is good for you (like a some honey). How do you feel then? Keep doing this exercise after times of meditation until you can notice what the difference is. Know it will be subtle. After your signal is figured out, then you will ask yourself questions after you meditate and see what you 'feel'. Doing this I'm sure you can develop your BE program.
Here's a way to rate how good your accuracy is. Dab 8 small pieces of paper with honey and fold them up. Do the same with 4 pieces of paper with chocolate swabs. Pull each piece of paper out of a pile and separate into good vs. bad. See how many you get rite out of 12. Say you got 9/12. (you can use more pieces of paper if you'd like..this is just an example). Your accuracy in this case is 75%. Not too shabby.
I'll rate your potential gut accuracy here. I think I'll have permissions to do that at least for most.
Wen' :-)
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silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 24 2007, 4:23 AM
Hi Wen,
Can you please rate my potential gut accuracy? Thank you!
Wenonae
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Silv's potential gut accuracy
September 24 2007, 4:40 AM
87%. Nice.
Wen'
silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 27 2007, 5:29 PM
thank you for your help Wen. i hope i can use my gut feeling soon.
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 29 2007, 6:47 PM
Hi Wen, I have one question - I've always had a kindof gut feeling that NBE will never work for me. :s How do I find out if I'm right (aside from trying, wasting money and getting frustrated)?
Wenonae
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Oh boy! Really?
September 30 2007, 4:32 AM
Hi Moon-
Well, lo and behold. Do have permissions to answer that basic question for you!
The answer is: no :-(. So! You're more clued in that you think! But wth?! :-( No NBE?
Also got: Breast implant augmentation surgery isn't a viable option. There is a way for you to increase breast size though. It isn't injection of fat cells..but injection of HgH! See how you feel when you read that.
Now, from what I understand..injections of HgH aren't really 'pure'...but whatever it is..it'll be enough to help your body go off on its own- so be sure it's a somatropin (something that causes HgH to rise). And the most incredible part is that you only need 2 shots (checked again..and it must be a shot). I've just never had this indicated before. I do have permissions to find a source for you...but I'll just wait to see if you feel comfortable with it. So Google up info and let me know.
Have you tried to do any meditations to center yourself so you can read your gut instincts, yet? I know it's only been a few days..just wondered if you'd try. If you do, post back so others can see and learn.
Wen'
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silv
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Is it for me?
September 30 2007, 6:09 AM
Hi Wen, sorry to ask you this but are you referring the HgH to me or Moon? I know you told me you have no permissions to ask if BO gonna work for me so you have the permission to find out that NBE and implants are not going to work or agree with me? For implants my gut feeling tells me that i will get sick from it that's why i never went for it. eventhough i'm not sure if you're referring HgH to me but i did research about Somatrophin injection and it doesn't sound bad at all. I meditate for a few minutes each day but i didn't really test my ability yet. I have tried chocolate as something "bad" and honey (for my throat) as "good" I think i got something but i just need the answer to be more consistant.I will keep trying until i get at least 8 out of 10. Thanks again Wen!
Wenonae
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Sorry Silv!
September 30 2007, 7:17 AM
Total typo- that message was to Moon!
But the meditation part was for you (still not used to the board layout quite). oops!
K, this one is to you! :-D
Have no permissions for NBE about you, but have some regarding implants. Def a no for you.
Good idea to try to get 8/10. What you should do is put a little dab of honey on 8 pieces of paper and fold it up. Then put a dab of chocolate on 4 pieces of paper and fold them up. After your meditation, piece up a piece of paper and decide if it's chocolate or honey. See how many you get right.
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 12:07 PM
Wen - Wow, well I did suspect GH mayself. I've been trying to do some 'manipulation' of my own GH in my recent NBE attempts. The rare occasions when I get growing pains always happen late in the afternoon when there's a natrual GH peak - if I apply vacum to my breasts, which sucks more blood and thus GH into them.
But getting a shot of GH seems kinda extreme and risky to me! Particualry what other effects it might have of me. I'm considering it tho. From what I googled today, I learnt that there are many fake GH products sold. I also dunno how to give myself a shot, tho I'm a student of medicine, but I've never injected myself or anyone (I hope I'll be learning that soon tho).
I'd deffinitely have to do a thorough research and think about this opption very well. But if you can find out where I could get GH and what regimen would help me grow boobs, please do.
I've been placing my hopes on my current rotuine tho, which I based on prolactin stimulating herbs and manipulation of my own GH (stimulating it nturally with excercise, diet and directing it into the breast with vacum/suction). Could you ask whether this method would be at least moderately sucessful for me? Thanks a bunch!
Oh, I did that meditiation test thingy too. Both items gave me a distinctive feeling - the positive item felt like it flowed into me through my chest and gave me this general positive feeling, and the negative item felt as if sth blocked it from flowing into me and gave me this general negative feeling. Curiously I've had these gut feelins before, but I never tried to call them deliberately, I only got them for questions and things which I asked myself and wondered about anyway, like NBE. nd for example another such question I have a really strong gut feeling on is ''who's the guy I'll marry?'' lol.
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silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 5:04 PM
great idea Wen, My experience is different from Moon though. When i have the chocolate in my hand i tend to have energy flowing on the left side of my body and i feel like something is pulling me to the left side and the honey is the opposite. Do you think that's the right feeling i supposed to get? Very intersting that i'm very different from Moon. Wen if you could please dowse the basic question for me too. Is NBE going to work for me at all? I did waste a lot of money but should i keep wasting money on NBE....lol Thanks Wen
silv
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 5:06 PM
great idea Wen, My experience is different from Moon though. When i have the chocolate in my hand i tend to have energy flowing on the left side of my body and i feel like something is pulling me to the left side and the honey is the opposite. Do you think that's the right feeling i supposed to get? Very intersting that i'm very different from Moon. Wen if you could please dowse the basic question for me too. Is NBE going to work for me at all? I did waste a lot of money but should i keep wasting money on NBE....lol Thanks Wen
Wenonae
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Ooo...oooh!
September 30 2007, 6:22 PM
To Moon:
Yay! I too excited to see that you can feel the response difference when holding the chocolate and honey!! I think that'll be part of the exercise I have above. Fact, going to edit that right now.
Also, I can check about the current regimen you're doing (also..did you know HgH also spikes at nite when you go to sleep?). Your current regimen where 10= effective, is only 3.8/10. Just means it'll take a while..but it's doing 'something'. Estimation is 3.2 years to reach your healthy maximum size (no permissions to say what that is).
Yeah! I totally was thinking the shots were a bit radical, so I briefly researched into other methods of receiving HgH. As I was reading, I felt there was another suitable otpion..so I dowse-asked about pill-form. And I found some pills!! :-D http://www.revitle.com/
These will take 5 months to have you reach your max size in healthiest manner. The shots would get you there in 3 months. Personally, I'd feel most comfortable doing the pills. Previously, I'd only asked about THE fastest,healthiest means. Gotta love options.
To Silv:
It so totally normal to have a different response than someone. What you're doing is learning how YOUR body responds. THANKS for the feedback. I'm really excited about it! This way everyone has a way to know what's best for their systems. :-D Yeah..so no, don't have permissions to answer about 'will NBE work'. But this is prolly because you can readily answer the question yourself. So give it a go. ;-)
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
September 30 2007, 7:21 PM
Lol I actually didn't use chockolate and honey, those are both bad for me.
Uhh, my current routine is costing me 100 euros a month.
But, those pills are just some vitamins and minerals, no GH. In any case, GH can't be taken in pill form cause it's a protein so it gets digested. The problem is that you can only get a GH shot with a doctor's perscription and that's a bit hard.
Wen, could you please dowse for me the following questions, sorry there's so many: Is GH my major obstruction for NBE? How effective would stimulation of my own GH be? Would I get any negative effects (like growing taller, I don't want that) from either the shots or the stimulation? Do I have any other obstructions for NBE? How good / contributive are galactogogues for my NBE? How effective is Wonderup for me? Tkanks a lot, and sorry for so many questions lol.
Wenonae
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LOL..lol..aww, Moon!
September 30 2007, 10:20 PM
You're making my universal test not universal. LOL. BOTH of them are bad for you (honey AND chocolate)? Guess I'll need to dowse on a suitable test subject. But I'll do that later. Hmmm, while I have you- what about good= water, bad= chocolate? BTW, what did you do your test with?
K, you said you had a lot of questions..and you do. LOL. Let me tell you, those pills will INDUCE your HgH to raise. As you already know...injection is just about the only way to get HgH kind of pure. However, apparently this combo pill will "hook you up".
Is GH my major obstruction for NBE? Get yes
How effective would stimulation of my own GH be? NO PERMISSIONS
Would I get any negative effects (like growing taller, I don't want that) from either the shots or the stimulation? NO PERMISSIONS
Do I have any other obstructions for NBE? NO PERMISSIONS
How good / contributive are galactogogues for my NBE? Get NOT A GOOD IDEA AT ALL.
How effective is Wonderup for me? rates 0.1/10 That'd be a DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. lol.
Could you try the exercise with chocolate and water when you have a chance?
Wen'
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Lost Sheep
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 1:25 AM
Politely butting in, if I may.
Moon, if you're looking to up your production of HGH, you might want to look into using a good CalMag product right before bed, taken on an empty stomach. I'm trying to up HGH myself, and this was recommended to me. The powdered form that you turn into a hot 'tea' of sorts is supposed to be the most easily absorbed, even though it tastes pretty nasty. I have read in a few places that this is effective but cannot find a concrete study that proves it one way or another, and I haven't been doing it long enough to know if it will bring measurable changes in my body. Still, I feel it is safe and hasn't caused me any problems, and it does help me sleep better/deeper, which is good on its own for hormones.
Hope this helps,
Kate
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 10:12 AM
Wenonae,
Would it be possible to rate my gut intuition? I tend to be pretty horrible; I find something and think it will work, spend all my money and time on it only to find it isn't really what I need. I've been doing this for a good 2 and a half years now to no avail.
I'm thinking of doing a full detox and cleanse to try and clear the slate...but after that I don't know if I want to trust my gut as to what to try next, or what to try again.
Thanks
*much luck and love for all!*
Wenonae
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October 1 2007, 7:30 PM
Hi Rinoa_Lewis-
I get your potential accuracy is 32%. Yikes.
So digging into what's going on..you've got energy blockage. Do some torso-twisting stretches (twist to left, then twist to the right. arms are held out to the front and follow the body. To increase stretch, hold right hand when twisting to the left until the arm is all the way to the side and hold for 15 seconds. Do same on right side). Do 7 reps each side.
You'll need to do this every week for 3 weeks. This will bring your chi up and allow your potential accuracy to be 77%. :-D
Wen'
waxingmoon
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About Human Growth Hormone
October 1 2007, 7:44 PM
Moon,
Just some FYI stuff you might find interesting.
Human growth hormone (Hgh) is naturally produced in response to intense muscular contractions. The contractions must be near the point of muscular failure and very deep (close to the bone). Normal exercise is probably not going to create that kind of contraction. Power lifting and other weight training that concentrates on low repetitions at high weights will produce this kind of contraction.
The problem is that this kind of weight training is risky because taking the body to that level increases the risk of injury. I would never advise a novice to attempt this kind of training - however, after doing 6 to 12 weeks of progressive resistance training a person may be able to create an intense workout with limited risk. The key would be to do the research first to understand what the plan of workouts should be, work with an experienced trainer to build the initial strength -and most importantly when the body is properly prepared for it - do only 1 intense workout per week.
The body must also be supported with appropriate amounts of protein and lots of rest.
Hgh is highly regulated by the pituitary and secreted very sparingly. It causes body wide muscular enhancement and also rejuvenative changes. Some consider it the fountain of youth. HOWEVER, it is also potentially one of the most harmful substances if taken out of context with the body's natural rhythm . Too much hgh will cause a host of complications from psychological problems to cancer. Think of it as a precursor to steroids and you will understand its potential destructiveness.
Don't get injections. Number one, no doctor worth his or her license would proscribe injections of hgh for the reasons you would want them for. Second they harvest hgh from the pituitary glands of cadavers -not a good idea in this day and age of transmittable diseases. Third - it wears off - just like those who take steroids then stop - the results go away.
You can safely however promote your own hgh through what I described above and other means. There are some products that supposedly give you the precursor agents to manufacture your own hgh, but I am skeptical if they work as claimed.
By the way, once your bone growth plates have closed, you will not grow any taller. If you are over the age of about 25 then you are the tallest you will ever be.
waxingmoon
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 8:54 PM
Wen - Ooooh, it's an universal test?? Lol I didn't know that. But to be more accurate - I assume, in theory, both chockolate and honey are bad for me, because both are shuggary and I have high androgens. But in practice, I couldn't really say whether they are good or bad for me. I have acne, but it doesn't get any worse when I eat chockolate. I also don't notice anything positive or negative with honey. I will do that test one of these days when I'm not busy and tired, I'll definitely keep trying to develop that gut feeling and meditation does good to me also. I have a really strong feeling for some things, but for others I don't manage to find it. WU didn't give me any feeling, or just sth like not positive and not negative. And it's particulary hard to know when I'm really getting it objectively and not influencing it in my mind.
Thanks a lot for helping me on NBE, most of your answers do make a lot of sense for me. The only thing that doesn't seem to tho is that product - it doesn't contain any factor which is a known HGH stimulant. Gosh, no method seems to work for me, I dunno what else to try. Could you pls dowse just one more thing for me - how effective would this program be: soy, nettle root, flax seed oil + deep agressive massage + GH stimulation + vacum. Thanks a lot.
KCiccone - I haven't been able to find that product to see what it conains. But from what I was able to research, the best way to raise HGH naturally is with certain amino acids, particualry arginine and glutamine. Arginine is recquired in a very high dose, at least 10 g, but glutamine is enoguh at 2 g. But it's a bit more tricky - certain compounds must be present and certain must be absent. Carbs and all other amino acids must be absent and choline and vitamin B5 must be present. So the best way to achieve this would be with a combined supplement on an empty stomach.
Waxingmoon - Thanks for chiping in, however I would correct you in a few places. HGH is not a precursor to steroids - it's a peptide hormone and steroids are sterols - made from cholesterole. It's also not isolated from cadavers anymore, today it's made in a lab. The info I have on exercise stimultion of GH is a bit different, tho to basically the same result. Exercise has to be intense, above the lactate level (eg. anaerobic cellular respiration is taking place where lactate forms (lactate causes the well known muscle acke)). I've found web-pages which describe a regiment which should work for stimulating GH - for example, 10 minutes of intense work out, exercise to rest ratio 1 : 3, 3 times a week. I've done this regimen a few times, but I didn't manage to get physical / prceivable sign of my GH rising (like boob pains). However this exercise regimen is very good for me, it helps my condition, it gets me energised and helps for my cronic tiredness.
I probably won't try the aminoacids for stimulation of GH because I'm only 22 which means that my epyphiseal cartilages are probably not closed yet, eventhouh I don't grow anymore, so this could very likely make me grow a couple of inces more and I really don't want that cause I'm tall already.
From what I know, a couple of injections of GH couldn't hurt me, cause it wouldn't be much different from a normal physiological surge of GH (which occure around 5 times a day). It's the continous use which has extreme (either positive o ngative) effects. But there's no way I could get a shot, my doctor would never give it to me, I'm quite sure GH treatment is used only and solely for stuned children in my country.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Oct 1, 2007 8:57 PM
Wenonae
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 1 2007, 10:19 PM
Heya Moon-
So here's the thing. I know the ingredients for those pills are not amino acids, however the combination will cause your body to react to naturally raise your HgH. Apparently you're lacking this synergistic action in your system.
So your regimen of "soy, nettle root, flax seed oil + deep agressive massage + GH stimulation + vacum" only rates 4.8/10. So you're getting better..but this program would still take years to get you progress.
I wrote and rated each item in Revitale pills and rated them as it pertains to you (10= abs needed for BE. Did it fast way..seeing if it was 9.5+ or higher)
Vitamin A- 9.5+
Vitamin C- 9.8+
Vitamin E- 10
Selenium- 9.5+
Coenzyme Q10- 9.5+
Omega 3 & 6- 9.8+
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine- 9.5+
Alpha Lipoic Acid- 9.5+
Gingko Biloba Ext.- 9.5+
Hawthorne- 9.5+
Siberian Ginseng- 9.8+
Cordyceps Sinensis- 10
Bilberry- 9.5+
Green Tea Ext.- 10
Grape Seed Ext.- 10
So, you can buy all of these things...or get the combo pill. You don't need all the BE herb or glandular stuff..just gotta help give your body the right nutrients so it can do what it's supposed to on its own.
Wen'
waxingmoon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 3:33 AM
Moon,
Thanks for catching my mistake about Hgh/steroid. I had somehow bound them together in my mind due to the anabolic effect of both. I also hadn't realized they had created a successful synthesized Hgh.
I am not sure I fully understand the lactate threshold method - it seems they are saying that the exercise must be sustained 10 minutes past the lactic threshold -which would mean a seriously uncomfortable long time of muscle burning. I can see with both methods (intense muscle building versus aerobic lactic threshold) that care must be taken to not overdo it. To much intensity = greater risk of injury and too much aerobic = lower growth hormone and too much cortisol.
Thanks for the info,
waxingmoon
Rinoa_Lewis
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 10:54 AM
Wenonae,
Thanks for the advice...77 is better than 32!
*much luck and love for all!*
amy
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could you tell me if this ee will work for me
October 2 2007, 12:58 PM
i would love to know what nbe method would work for me
Wenonae
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To Amy, Re: EE
October 2 2007, 5:46 PM
K, have permissions.
Best method- EE
2nd best method- herbs + vitamins + amino acids
Max potential healthiest cup increase from EE- 3.2 cups in 8-9 months
Max potential healthiest cup increase from herbs, etc.- 3.1 cups in 9-10 months
Wen'
amy
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thank you so much for doing that for me
October 2 2007, 7:30 PM
Am wondering if pm will work for me also?
I would love to try ee but i need to save some money -i just ordered pm full potential and progesterone creme.(just started my period yesterday so have to wait)Can i do both?
Do i need to buy the book that goes with ee 2 ?
And i had a not so good reaction to fg and the other breast herbs,do u think this would bother me considering the dose is sooo low on fg and sp?
And last question so if i take vitamins n amino acids(ALL of them ???)
i just take the ee once a month 4 3 months and then within 8-9 months my breasts will grow 3.2 cups??????
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 7:56 PM
Thanks again Wen. Oh well, 4.8 doesn't seem that bad, considering I'm a really tough case for NBE. I did that routine for a short while once, kindof meanwhile I was thinking up a better idea, and it actually gave me more pains that what I'm doing now, and my only inch of growth.
I can't order anything on-line, much less from US, but I can get everything in that product except for Hawthorne and Cordyceps Sinensis (interesting ingredient, a fungus O.o). I have one question - does the number you get evaluate how good somthing is for me in general, or how helpful it is for breast growth?
Waxingmoon - I think the regimen is supposed 10 minutes, fom which the ratio of exercise : rest is 1 : 3. I get a bit of muscle acke the next day, but it's ok. Tho for it to actually stimulate GH significantly one would have to have to be on an even higher level I think, and combined with the right diet.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Oct 2, 2007 7:56 PM
Wenonae
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Oooo- Moon, you're not in US
October 2 2007, 10:13 PM
All the ratings were those items as it relates to your BE. Maybe I missed something? The www.revitle.com site lists a number of countries to ship to. Oooh..so maybe you just can't order online in general. Do you have health food stores nearby? Maybe check into other products on the shelf which list similar ingredients. I'll prolly be able to help rate those products for you. More than one way to skin a cat ;-)
Where in the world are you?
Wen'
Wenonae
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 2 2007, 10:28 PM
Amy- the list above is all that will work for your BE in safest manner. All the rest BO, PM, progesterone etc just will not go well with your system.
EE comes with the eBook, but I was asked to sell it separately. If one gets EE later, the eBook costs will be deducted.
"And i had a not so good reaction to fg and the other breast herbs,do u think this would bother me considering the dose is sooo low on fg and sp?"
**ANSWER: it could cause some reaction..but no where as near if you were taking it directly.
"And last question so if i take vitamins n amino acids(ALL of them ???)
i just take the ee once a month 4 3 months and then within 8-9 months my breasts will grow 3.2 cups??????"
**ANSWER: I'm not sure what you're saying here about the aminos and all. However, I didn't go into detail checking about spiritual, mental, or physical blocks or impedances. I didn't check extra details like if you'd need to eat more fruits or if you need vitamins, etc and other details the eBook walks you through...just estimated best-case bottom line. However, seeing that individual herbs would get you about the same, you probably don't need a lot of extra stuff either way. Lucky you.
Here's a thought...buy bulk herbs. You can make your own capsules. They are generally fresher than pre-bottled stuffs so it's more potent (less pills, yay.) Herbs on their own are just vile-tasting to me. Yeech.
You're in group 3 as it relates to dowsing. So try the exercise in this thread to see what you can pick up what your 5 senses about what to use.
Wen'
Louise
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 3 2007, 4:16 PM
Hi Wen,
This is going to sound very ignorant but I thought dowsing was about pointing a stick in a field to find water? I understand how someone could just have a feel for what is good or bad for their own body and this is how I fixed my skin problem, I just felt a yearning for a particular cream (even though I was recommended to use some other things which didn't help), I tried the cream I wanted and was fixed in days.
My question is how can you do this for someone you've never seen and know nothing about? Are people emailing you their details? (I have read the other dowsing thread too) Also when you say you ask permission, who are you asking it from?
I guess this makes me like a group 4 or something!?
Wenonae
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Answer to Louise
October 3 2007, 9:30 PM
Hey Louise-
Boy, LOL...your post made me smile so big..LOL. Guess this could seem hocus pocus. I'll try to explain things another way here.
Hokay- dowsing can be described as connecting to a big computer server (All- Knowing level) then using it to access information about a lot of things- where you are on Earth, where other items are that you need are on Earth (like water), where ailments are in your body, what can you do to correct fix ailments, etc. Dowsing is energy-reading from a spiritual level. Everything you can imagine has some sort of energy vibration. You can use different tools to read this energy- a pendulum, sticks, your own body. Ever wonder about the phenomenon of how we can shock someone with static electricity? We all have charges/energy within us...most of us just aren't aware of how sophisticated our sensing system is- even if you only stick to the 5 senses.
Humans aren't the only ones who do it. All sorts of animals do (that's another story). But think of the cats and dogs who find their way back to their owners' new home they have never been to. Think about how ants or bees even know where the heck their nest is.
So, when I'm doing a reading of a person- I'm not getting e-mails them and making an assessment. I'm accessing an All-Knowing level and through that I can read what that person needs. On my own..I'd have no clue- I could only discern was is good for myself (hunches, gut intuition).
Permissions- is a preparatory statement said when seeking info. Just because we can access that High level, doesn't mean we have any business getting it. So a meticulous dowser will ask- "May I ask about _____?, Should I ask about _____?, Can I ask about _____?" especially when they are getting information about someone else. However, this should be asked in general if you're not sure about the subject (relationships, lottery, etc.).
Not to go too deep, but there's some things God simply doesn't want us to know or do for someone. If you don't respect that boundary, you'll either get faulty info (if you innocently didn't get permissions) or will be denied the ability to dowse. It's a skill ...but it's also a gift.
Wen'
Sara
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Hi Wenonae
October 4 2007, 3:06 AM
I would like to know if you could help me. I was taking herbs for a while, specifically Fenugreek and had some growth with it but stalled. I then did a cleanse and switched to BO, right around the time that I switched jobs and I felt the BO was making me too emotional. I want to start again, but I am worried. I would like to start BO again, what do you think?
Thanks so much+
Sara
Wenonae
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To Sara
October 4 2007, 7:19 PM
Sara,
Unfortunately I don't have permissions to help you in specific. However, I am allowed to tell you that you're in Group 3..so give the meditation exercise a try.
My personal opinion is that you the BO is prolly too much for your system. If you stalled before, try ramping up slower this time. Start about 750-800mg fenu + wild yam for example and see what happens.
Wen'
Sara
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 5 2007, 2:02 AM
Thank you Wen+
I think you are right, BO is too much for my system. I am scared of everything right now, and think I just need to continue on this break.
Thanks so much for your help.
Wishing you the best,
Sara
kieyah
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 8 2007, 2:42 AM
Wenonae, can you dowse for me? I would really appreciate it. I cannot dowse. I have been having a bad feeling that I am taking something bad for me. can you please dowse for me. I am suspecting the black cohosh and possibly red clover. here is my routine:
1 Gelatin drink mix daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I am thinking of increasing or adding back in fenugreek
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg (one dose AM and one PM)
planning to add goat's rue, pumpkin seed, and licorice root soon
plus still taking these other herbal things:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend
as you can see this is everything I take even non-nbe related. Some of these are just for overall health and some are for stress. all mg's are in TOTAL daily mg's
do you think this is ok?
Wenonae
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 8 2007, 8:58 AM
Hey Keiyah-
Yeah, confirm you're in Group 3. Wow! What a list for health...but I've had some just as long.
Let's see here- do have permissions to help discern if anything is bad for ya.
Healthy help- Vit C, Mag, Papaya, 5-htp, kelp, benedryl, valerian root, goat's rue, herbal hernia, mood blend.
BE help- black cohosh, (missing 2 items here not fenugreek, not fennel. wild yam and something else).
Not much help/not good with rest of what you're taking- Gelatin, collagen, dong quai, red clover, pumpkin seed, licorice root.
Bottomline- your hunches are correct.:-D Your potential accuracy is 90%. So def trust your gut.
Wen'
Moon
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Re: To Group 3 dowsers
October 10 2007, 7:44 PM
Omg I fiiinaly found some time to do the hypnosis relaxation thing again and the chockolate honey test. So chockolate gives me 'not too good' and honey gives me 'not too bad', but neither gives me a really strong feeling. I don't feel much with any of them.
Wen - Your dowsing for me suggests that my detox system is kinda bad! I couldn't tell from definite phisical signs whether this is true or not, I do have cronic tiredness which can be a conscequence of toxins, but also of a number of other conditions. I've been trying to locate the cause of my tirdness for years and haven't managed so far. I did add grape seed extract to my rotuine now and a multivitamin (yeah, I haven't been taking one thus far lol).
Oh and yeah I can't oder from the net cause I don't have a credit card (I've found a couple of stores which take my wire transfter tho) and I'm in Europe (I'd rather not give specific location cause I'm kinda paranoid lol :I). Shipping and even bank services to US cost a fortune.