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HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 26 2008 at 5:20 PM Sailorvenus44 (Login sailorvenus44)
I am 18 and believe I am estrogen-dominant (I have suffered from depression, excess acne, ad insomnia for years, plus I have a pear shaped body).
I have been in denial in my two other posts.
I have only been taking Source Naturals Progesterone cream for a week, 1/2 tsp twice a day as directed on the tube. but I noticed a trend with each day/night of use, that it has been harder and harder for me to sleep. And for the past 3 days I have not slept at ALL. As in - go to bed. Lay in bed. Watch the sun come up. For THREE DAYS. I have gotten acid reflux out of NOWHERE, which will NOT go away, and I feel like I am going insane, my skin has been jumping and I feel like some sort of unwilling drug addict. Right now it is 7:00 AM where I live and I have been up all night lying awake in bed until I decided enough is enough and turned my computer on to type this. I really do not know what to do. My mom's gynacologist said that the prog. cream was safe to use, so I used it despite my mom's worry.
I THOUGHT the prog. cream would help me... I researched it's effect on estrogen however and realized that it may compound estrogen levels at first because when you take progesterone your estrogen tolerance is lowered and therefore levels of estrogen may rise. But I have taken the Phyroestrogenic herb Fenugreek in the past (NOT NOW of course) and did not have this problem. So why is this happening? Did I use too much cream at first? Did my progest. receptors completely shut down? (I went happy-go-lucky the first 3 days, applying it on my breasts 3 days straight, but still at the lower reccomended dosage of 1/2 tsp twice a day...) WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?
I NEED HELP now... school starts in another week and I can't afford to lose this much sleep. I feel terrible. IS IT SAFE to just stop the cream completely (after using it for 7 days)? I won't start hemmoraging when I get my period, will I? God, I don't know what to do. I feel like an idiot who should have just listened to their mom. (She doesn't know anything about the effects of natural progesterone cream, but she DID tell me, "DON'T PLAY with hormones," which I didn't think I was, but now I am very confused.
HELP... PLEASE.
Wahaika
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HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 26 2008, 7:59 PM
Always listen to your mother.
I am looking at Source Naturals Progesterone Cream right now at this link:
http://vitanetonline.com/description/SN1169/vitamins/Progesterone-Cream/
This is definitely a good one as progesterone creams go, but is this the one you are using?
If so, look about half way down and you will see "Serving Size: 1/4 teaspoon." You were using 1/2 tsp - twice as much as the recommended dosage.
Also, you were putting it directly on the breasts. Never, ever, ever put it directly on the breasts. It always goes somewhere like forearms or thighs or anywhere else, but not on the breasts.
The days to use progesterone cream, if you need it, are from days 14 to 23 then stop until next cycle. What day are you on?
I would say that it is OK to just stop. Your body will automatically adjust and you really need your sleep.
You might also have a good long talk with your mother, since she sounds like she is informed concerning hormones, about estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and growth hormone, and what each are for, and when they cycle, and why.
You might also ask yourself why you need progesterone cream. It sounds like it had a good effect on your mood at first, but when you stalled followed by continuing to use it, it acted like pouring water into a full glass.
What was your decision to use progesterone cream based on?
Is your room completely dark including lights from clocks?
Do you live above the equator or below?
And, just to be safe, what cycle day are you on? (it may make more sense to ramp down depending on the cycle day)
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Dec 26, 2008 8:33 PM
Sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 1:06 AM
Yeah, that's the cream. I have the smaller tube version of it though.
Sorry, I meant 1/4 tsp. LESS than 1/4. (I dunno why I typed 1/2. well I was tired...)
Well, to update things, I just fell asleep at 8:00 this morning and awoke at 3:00 PM... (after taking melatonin for sleep)
I live in Hawaii. It gets hot here, but it's not hot at night right now, so I shouldn't be feeling this way.
I took the cream about 3-4 days after my period stopped. But my periods are irregular anyway...
School ended a week ago and at that time I was actually up until 3 in the morning for days and weeks at a time because of multiple last minute projects (and it wasn't always because of procrastination, either, I really did have things piled on me specifically at the last minute, etc...) SO that could play a part in this as well. I remember I started taking the progesterone the day school ended. (Friday) the night before I had been up until 3:00 AM again. On Sunday I read that it shouldn't be applied on breasts for multiple days in a row, or any body part for days in a row for that matter so I started on a rotation.
Just a question, why can it only be applied to breasts every 4 days?? Does it do something bad? Or is too much or too little of it absorbed???
By the way, thank you for all your help so far.
Wahaika
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SENIOR MEMBER
HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 1:21 AM
In general, specifically where BE is concerned, all growth comes to a screeching halt. There are some women who do well with it, but they are very few and it is probably only a temporary need. Every case is arguably different, but one thing that is very reliable in most cases is that progesterone cream is going to stop growth.
That being the case, it is just a logical extension of that reasoning that leads one to avoid putting it on the breasts directly. That's it.
There are some uses for progesterone cream to clear estrogen receptors, and that is to use it for a day before the menstrual cycle hits, and on day 14 or so at around midcycle or shortly thereafter. Again, only for one day to clear estrogen receptors. This is all theory. I do not subscribe to it 100% but I have seen where women have used it successfully in this way in the past.
sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 2:10 AM
I see...sort of.
Um... This doesn't mean that by putting it on my breasts for 3 days in a row my breats can no longer grow for the rest of my life, does it?
What do you reccomend I do for now? Stop? Wait and try it again next cycle maybe? (a little later, and without applying it to breasts at all?)
Wahaika
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HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 4:37 AM
The effects of progesterone cream are temporary. I would say to go through a minimum of a two cycle break, taking nothing. Go the first cycle to do a reset and use the second cycle to watch and see if everything is back to normal.
What to do next depends on your stats. The only one that I can think of for you is that you are 18. (BTW, you can still grow/develop until as late as 26)
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Dec 27, 2008 4:40 AM
Sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 9:32 PM
Thank you so much for all the help. To update things, I've noticed I can sleep in the day for some reason (on average falling asleep at 8:00AM and waking up at 3:00PM-ish) but just not at night. perhaps it is not the progesterone at all doing this to me, but the fact that I had been up every night for weeks prior to this doing school work.
Today I will be stopping the cream, so we'll see.
Then I'll restart about 2 cycles or so from now, as you said. Hopefully I can correct my sleep pattern by then so that when I take progesterone the next time I will have a better indication of its effects and if it really was interfering with my sleep after all.
P.S. Here's some detailed background on me. I turned 18 in November but I hit puberty at about 13.5 years. (I was born 3 months premature so I will be truly 18 in about February) At 14 years old my mother's gynocologist examined me and told me my breasts were fully grown at 34B (however the left breast is an A) They have not changed since. BUT most things doctors have predicted about my life have turned out wrong. They also told me that at 15 I had achieved my final height of 5'5", however 3 years later I have grown to be 5'8". This is just one example and there have been many more (Since I was born so premature I'm sure there can be a lot of growth anomalies with me.)
My mom had 36Cs at about 18 years old (she hit puberty earlier than me at 11, so perhaps this could happen to me at I dunno 20 or 21 ish), but her breasts then grew to 40DDs when she was pregnant with me. I figured my breasts could therefore benefit greatly from progesterone, seeing as it is the hormone largely responsible for bigger breasts during pregnancy. I also believe it could correst an estrogen dominance I think I have had for quite some time; my upper body is much smaller than my lower body, I have insomnia, depression, and acne and constant PMS symptoms which greatly fluctuate, and still have slightly irregular periods. In general I have read that the whole "fully grown at 18" theory is false in a lot of cases and that women can keep growing into their 20s, breasts, face, all of that, but perhaps just not as an average or a rule anyway. (I've seen pictures of people who had changed greatly from the time they were 18 up until the time they were 23)
Well, that's all I can think of for now. I think the Progesterone has great potential for helping me with my PMS, mood, and of course breasts, but maybe starting it the day after a night-long cram to finish all my final school projects was poor planning. I also won't apply it to the breasts so frequently next time.
December 26 2008 at 5:20 PM Sailorvenus44 (Login sailorvenus44)
I am 18 and believe I am estrogen-dominant (I have suffered from depression, excess acne, ad insomnia for years, plus I have a pear shaped body).
I have been in denial in my two other posts.
I have only been taking Source Naturals Progesterone cream for a week, 1/2 tsp twice a day as directed on the tube. but I noticed a trend with each day/night of use, that it has been harder and harder for me to sleep. And for the past 3 days I have not slept at ALL. As in - go to bed. Lay in bed. Watch the sun come up. For THREE DAYS. I have gotten acid reflux out of NOWHERE, which will NOT go away, and I feel like I am going insane, my skin has been jumping and I feel like some sort of unwilling drug addict. Right now it is 7:00 AM where I live and I have been up all night lying awake in bed until I decided enough is enough and turned my computer on to type this. I really do not know what to do. My mom's gynacologist said that the prog. cream was safe to use, so I used it despite my mom's worry.
I THOUGHT the prog. cream would help me... I researched it's effect on estrogen however and realized that it may compound estrogen levels at first because when you take progesterone your estrogen tolerance is lowered and therefore levels of estrogen may rise. But I have taken the Phyroestrogenic herb Fenugreek in the past (NOT NOW of course) and did not have this problem. So why is this happening? Did I use too much cream at first? Did my progest. receptors completely shut down? (I went happy-go-lucky the first 3 days, applying it on my breasts 3 days straight, but still at the lower reccomended dosage of 1/2 tsp twice a day...) WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?
I NEED HELP now... school starts in another week and I can't afford to lose this much sleep. I feel terrible. IS IT SAFE to just stop the cream completely (after using it for 7 days)? I won't start hemmoraging when I get my period, will I? God, I don't know what to do. I feel like an idiot who should have just listened to their mom. (She doesn't know anything about the effects of natural progesterone cream, but she DID tell me, "DON'T PLAY with hormones," which I didn't think I was, but now I am very confused.
HELP... PLEASE.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 26 2008, 7:59 PM
Always listen to your mother.
I am looking at Source Naturals Progesterone Cream right now at this link:
http://vitanetonline.com/description/SN1169/vitamins/Progesterone-Cream/
This is definitely a good one as progesterone creams go, but is this the one you are using?
If so, look about half way down and you will see "Serving Size: 1/4 teaspoon." You were using 1/2 tsp - twice as much as the recommended dosage.
Also, you were putting it directly on the breasts. Never, ever, ever put it directly on the breasts. It always goes somewhere like forearms or thighs or anywhere else, but not on the breasts.
The days to use progesterone cream, if you need it, are from days 14 to 23 then stop until next cycle. What day are you on?
I would say that it is OK to just stop. Your body will automatically adjust and you really need your sleep.
You might also have a good long talk with your mother, since she sounds like she is informed concerning hormones, about estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and growth hormone, and what each are for, and when they cycle, and why.
You might also ask yourself why you need progesterone cream. It sounds like it had a good effect on your mood at first, but when you stalled followed by continuing to use it, it acted like pouring water into a full glass.
What was your decision to use progesterone cream based on?
Is your room completely dark including lights from clocks?
Do you live above the equator or below?
And, just to be safe, what cycle day are you on? (it may make more sense to ramp down depending on the cycle day)
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Dec 26, 2008 8:33 PM
Sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 1:06 AM
Yeah, that's the cream. I have the smaller tube version of it though.
Sorry, I meant 1/4 tsp. LESS than 1/4. (I dunno why I typed 1/2. well I was tired...)
Well, to update things, I just fell asleep at 8:00 this morning and awoke at 3:00 PM... (after taking melatonin for sleep)
I live in Hawaii. It gets hot here, but it's not hot at night right now, so I shouldn't be feeling this way.
I took the cream about 3-4 days after my period stopped. But my periods are irregular anyway...
School ended a week ago and at that time I was actually up until 3 in the morning for days and weeks at a time because of multiple last minute projects (and it wasn't always because of procrastination, either, I really did have things piled on me specifically at the last minute, etc...) SO that could play a part in this as well. I remember I started taking the progesterone the day school ended. (Friday) the night before I had been up until 3:00 AM again. On Sunday I read that it shouldn't be applied on breasts for multiple days in a row, or any body part for days in a row for that matter so I started on a rotation.
Just a question, why can it only be applied to breasts every 4 days?? Does it do something bad? Or is too much or too little of it absorbed???
By the way, thank you for all your help so far.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 1:21 AM
In general, specifically where BE is concerned, all growth comes to a screeching halt. There are some women who do well with it, but they are very few and it is probably only a temporary need. Every case is arguably different, but one thing that is very reliable in most cases is that progesterone cream is going to stop growth.
That being the case, it is just a logical extension of that reasoning that leads one to avoid putting it on the breasts directly. That's it.
There are some uses for progesterone cream to clear estrogen receptors, and that is to use it for a day before the menstrual cycle hits, and on day 14 or so at around midcycle or shortly thereafter. Again, only for one day to clear estrogen receptors. This is all theory. I do not subscribe to it 100% but I have seen where women have used it successfully in this way in the past.
sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 2:10 AM
I see...sort of.
Um... This doesn't mean that by putting it on my breasts for 3 days in a row my breats can no longer grow for the rest of my life, does it?
What do you reccomend I do for now? Stop? Wait and try it again next cycle maybe? (a little later, and without applying it to breasts at all?)
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 4:37 AM
The effects of progesterone cream are temporary. I would say to go through a minimum of a two cycle break, taking nothing. Go the first cycle to do a reset and use the second cycle to watch and see if everything is back to normal.
What to do next depends on your stats. The only one that I can think of for you is that you are 18. (BTW, you can still grow/develop until as late as 26)
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Dec 27, 2008 4:40 AM
Sailorvenus44
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Re: HELP!!!! - INSOMNIA CAUSED BY PROGESTERONE - SHOULD I STOP TAKING IT COMPLETELY?????
December 27 2008, 9:32 PM
Thank you so much for all the help. To update things, I've noticed I can sleep in the day for some reason (on average falling asleep at 8:00AM and waking up at 3:00PM-ish) but just not at night. perhaps it is not the progesterone at all doing this to me, but the fact that I had been up every night for weeks prior to this doing school work.
Today I will be stopping the cream, so we'll see.
Then I'll restart about 2 cycles or so from now, as you said. Hopefully I can correct my sleep pattern by then so that when I take progesterone the next time I will have a better indication of its effects and if it really was interfering with my sleep after all.P.S. Here's some detailed background on me. I turned 18 in November but I hit puberty at about 13.5 years. (I was born 3 months premature so I will be truly 18 in about February) At 14 years old my mother's gynocologist examined me and told me my breasts were fully grown at 34B (however the left breast is an A) They have not changed since. BUT most things doctors have predicted about my life have turned out wrong. They also told me that at 15 I had achieved my final height of 5'5", however 3 years later I have grown to be 5'8". This is just one example and there have been many more (Since I was born so premature I'm sure there can be a lot of growth anomalies with me.)
My mom had 36Cs at about 18 years old (she hit puberty earlier than me at 11, so perhaps this could happen to me at I dunno 20 or 21 ish), but her breasts then grew to 40DDs when she was pregnant with me. I figured my breasts could therefore benefit greatly from progesterone, seeing as it is the hormone largely responsible for bigger breasts during pregnancy. I also believe it could correst an estrogen dominance I think I have had for quite some time; my upper body is much smaller than my lower body, I have insomnia, depression, and acne and constant PMS symptoms which greatly fluctuate, and still have slightly irregular periods. In general I have read that the whole "fully grown at 18" theory is false in a lot of cases and that women can keep growing into their 20s, breasts, face, all of that, but perhaps just not as an average or a rule anyway. (I've seen pictures of people who had changed greatly from the time they were 18 up until the time they were 23)
Well, that's all I can think of for now. I think the Progesterone has great potential for helping me with my PMS, mood, and of course breasts, but maybe starting it the day after a night-long cram to finish all my final school projects was poor planning. I also won't apply it to the breasts so frequently next time.