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Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 3 2006 at 10:02 PM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Touching on my previous threads about galactogogues/prolactin/fat storage and herbs and race, I found the following article about a galactogogue from Indonesia.
That was shown to be more effective than fenugreek. I will see if I can read the entire paper at my library and see what doses of the herbs they were giving in the trials.
The herb is Coleus amboinicus otherwise known as
spanish thyme,
cuban oregano,
Country Borage,
Greek Oregano,
False Oregano,
Stygian Thyme
Australia: Five-in-One
East Timor: Soldar
Indonesia: Daun Kucing, Daun Kambing
Malaysia: Daun Bangun-bangun
Philippines: Oregano, Suganda
Portugal: Oregano
Vietnam: Can Day La, Rau Cang, Rau Thom Lun
West Indies: French Tobago Thyme, Spanish Thyme
and is a tropical perennial
Excerpt: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16672214&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
Lactagogue effects of Torbangun, a Bataknese traditional cuisine.
Damanik R, Wahlqvist ML, Wattanapenpaiboon N.
Dept. of Community Nutrition, Faculty of Human Ecology IPB University, Kampus IPB Darmaga, Bogor-16610, Indonesia. damanik@ipb.ac.id
Coleus amboinicus Lour (CA) has been used as a breast milk stimulant (a lactagogue) by Bataknese people in Indonesia for hundreds of years. However, the traditional use of CA is not well documented, and scientific evidence is limited to establish CA as a lactagogue. This investigation was conducted to elucidate the effect of traditional use of CA during the first month of lactation on quantity and quality of the breast milk. The results collected from the study show that CA supplementation increased breast milk production without compromising the nutritional quality of the breast milk. Lactating women receiving CA supplementation had a 65% increase in milk volume during the last two weeks of supplementation (from Day 14 to Day 28). This increase was greater than that of lactating women receiving Molocco+B12 tablets (10%) or Fenugreek seeds (20%). The residual effects of CA supplementation were seen even after the supplementation had ended for one month. Results of the present study confirmed the belief and the practice amongst the Bataknese people that CA can be used as a lactagogue in humans, and the use of CA might be suitable for lactating women in general.
PMID: 16672214 [PubMed - in process]
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More on 'Torbangun', Indonesian Galactogogue
July 3 2006, 10:10 PM
The use of a putative lactagogue plant on breast milk production in Simalungun, North Sumatra, Indonesia.
Damanik R, Wahlqvist ML, Wattanapenpaiboon N.
Asia Pacific Health & Nutrition Centre, Monash Asia Institute, Monash University, Melbourne-AUSTRALIA.
Food beliefs about pregnancy and lactation are widespread amongst traditional women. These include the use of various plant foods to stimulate lactation. We have previously reported, on the basis of focus group studies, that lactating women in Simalungun, North Sumatra Indonesia have a tradition to consume the 'Torbangun' plant, as a soup for one month after parturition. They believe that Torbangun stimulates breast milk production. More than this, Torbangun soup is considered to return the mother to a healthy state after delivery. Torbangun is thought to serve several purposes, not only to enhance breast milk production, but to decrease the risk of placental retention ('act as a uterine cleansing agent'), and restore energy and strength lost during parturition. The tradition has been practiced for hundreds of years, and adherence is still strong. An intervention study was conducted in Simalungun North Sumatra Indonesia on 75 lactating women. Subjects were randomly assigned into three groups: Moloco (reference group), Fenugreek or Torbangun. The subjects were provided with either Moloco+B12 trade mark sugar coated tablets, Fenugreek capsules or Torbangun soup. Moloco+B12 trade mark tablets and Fenugreek capsules are supplements used by lactating women in Indonesia and in European countries, respectively, in the belief that they stimulate breast milk production. All subjects took the assigned supplement from day 2 after birth for one month. It was observed that Torbangun improved the quantity by 10% and retained the quality (in regard to macro- and micronutrient composition) of breast milk. The use of Torbangun might be suitable for lactating women in general.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15294652&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 26 2006, 8:56 PM
liked this topic I started...hehe
bump
also wanted to add to those who are trying different galactogogues besides fenugreek, I think it is important to know if the new galactogogue you are choossing actually stimulates prolactin. Sometimes galactogogues work to produce milk in breasts via another pathway.
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 28 2006, 6:13 AM
wow i got that stuff growing in my gargen. hmmmmm.... i think its time to make a tincture.
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SugarQ?
July 28 2006, 2:14 PM
Ok, I have some Greek Oregano growing in my garden right now!!!! Can you simply eat a bit of it everyday instead of making a tincture? Is a tincture better than the fresh herb? If so, why? I could actually grow it year round inside. If the fresh herb is better than the tincture, I'm going to start nibbling at it.
Growing boobie blessings to all!!!!
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SugarQ
July 28 2006, 2:24 PM
Actually, I have Greek Oregano AND Fennel already in my garden!!!!!!! I also have Fenugreek seeds that I was going to plant, but never did. I bought the Fennel thinking I would include it in some dinners, but I haven't. I'm such a scaredy-cat about things like these. I need to buy a good herb book that tells how and what part of the herb to eat!!!!!!!!!!! Each herb is different, and I don't know what part should be eaten and how to prepare it.
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 28 2006, 6:39 PM
Ok, now I know this must be all in my head, but I went out and cut some Greek Oregano and Fennel (seed head looking thing) and washed them and ate them this morning (nothing on them, not cooked, not in anything, simply put them in my mouth and swallowed). Now, a few hours later, I've noticed tingles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I realize this is probably all in my head, but if I'm getting tingles - I'm going to keep on doing it!!!!!!!! Am I crazy, or could this be working?
Growing boobie blessing to all the lovely boobie goddesses!
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 1:57 AM
my family calls this stuff french tyme and we are from the caribbean (trinidad & tobago) we cook with it religiously. http://www.stuartxchange.org/Oregano.html this is the picture of the stuff i got growing. Coleus amboinicus Lour.
wsdm
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 11:39 AM
yay to you surf! Let us know how that goes!!!
SugarQ let us know how effective your tincture is, I am so excited for you beginning your routine soon! I still am trying to flesh out a routine.
I live in New York so I might have to order this stuff from a nursery online and keep a bush growing at my place or something.
They do have the oil of oregano not sure how effective it would be though.
ash
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 9:47 PM
Hi this made me smile. I have fennel growing in my garden and while walking past it the other day I sort of wondered so like you surf i ate some of it. didnt feel anything though. Isnt gripe water made with fennel seeds? i can remember having a swig of that when my sister was a baby.... didnt have any lasting effects lol
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 30 2006, 7:32 AM
If anyone wants to use fennel for food there is some information about how it's eaten here:
http://www.vortexhealth.net/fennel.html
Remember it's the seeds that are used medicinally, so to get beneficial effects that's the part you need to be consuming.
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 30 2006, 7:47 PM
SugarQ and Molly,
Thanks for the links! SugarQ - that picture looks EXACTLY like what I have growing in my garden!!! Molly - what a cool website. I bookmarked it so that I can use it as a reference!
I was away Sat, so I didn't get to munch on any fennel or greek oregano. I didn't have any tingles on Sat. I'm going to go pick some right now and munch on it. I'll let you know if I get more tingles! Wish me luck!
Growing boobie blessing to all!
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munch away !!!!
July 31 2006, 1:37 AM
Good luck Surf love jelly....
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Munching away
July 31 2006, 5:34 AM
nice thread girls! speaking of munching, we live on a farm and i was walking the paddock (feild) the other day to see red clover growing in the grass.... you can guess the rest... munch munch munch... i felt like a desperate cow...
MOOOOOO!!!! The things we do for boobs!!
Tap
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July 31 2006, 9:06 AM
Gee Tap your intestines must love that fibre, lets know if you get more tingles or have a moooooooving experience love jelly......
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
August 2 2006, 10:12 PM
Jelly & Tap,
You two are too funny! So, Tap, have you had any pains or tingles from your meadow munching?
Growing boobie blessings to all the lovely bobbie goddesses!
July 3 2006 at 10:02 PM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Touching on my previous threads about galactogogues/prolactin/fat storage and herbs and race, I found the following article about a galactogogue from Indonesia.
That was shown to be more effective than fenugreek. I will see if I can read the entire paper at my library and see what doses of the herbs they were giving in the trials.
The herb is Coleus amboinicus otherwise known as
spanish thyme,
cuban oregano,
Country Borage,
Greek Oregano,
False Oregano,
Stygian Thyme
Australia: Five-in-One
East Timor: Soldar
Indonesia: Daun Kucing, Daun Kambing
Malaysia: Daun Bangun-bangun
Philippines: Oregano, Suganda
Portugal: Oregano
Vietnam: Can Day La, Rau Cang, Rau Thom Lun
West Indies: French Tobago Thyme, Spanish Thyme
and is a tropical perennial
Excerpt: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16672214&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
Lactagogue effects of Torbangun, a Bataknese traditional cuisine.
Damanik R, Wahlqvist ML, Wattanapenpaiboon N.
Dept. of Community Nutrition, Faculty of Human Ecology IPB University, Kampus IPB Darmaga, Bogor-16610, Indonesia. damanik@ipb.ac.id
Coleus amboinicus Lour (CA) has been used as a breast milk stimulant (a lactagogue) by Bataknese people in Indonesia for hundreds of years. However, the traditional use of CA is not well documented, and scientific evidence is limited to establish CA as a lactagogue. This investigation was conducted to elucidate the effect of traditional use of CA during the first month of lactation on quantity and quality of the breast milk. The results collected from the study show that CA supplementation increased breast milk production without compromising the nutritional quality of the breast milk. Lactating women receiving CA supplementation had a 65% increase in milk volume during the last two weeks of supplementation (from Day 14 to Day 28). This increase was greater than that of lactating women receiving Molocco+B12 tablets (10%) or Fenugreek seeds (20%). The residual effects of CA supplementation were seen even after the supplementation had ended for one month. Results of the present study confirmed the belief and the practice amongst the Bataknese people that CA can be used as a lactagogue in humans, and the use of CA might be suitable for lactating women in general.
PMID: 16672214 [PubMed - in process]
wsdm
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More on 'Torbangun', Indonesian Galactogogue
July 3 2006, 10:10 PM
The use of a putative lactagogue plant on breast milk production in Simalungun, North Sumatra, Indonesia.
Damanik R, Wahlqvist ML, Wattanapenpaiboon N.
Asia Pacific Health & Nutrition Centre, Monash Asia Institute, Monash University, Melbourne-AUSTRALIA.
Food beliefs about pregnancy and lactation are widespread amongst traditional women. These include the use of various plant foods to stimulate lactation. We have previously reported, on the basis of focus group studies, that lactating women in Simalungun, North Sumatra Indonesia have a tradition to consume the 'Torbangun' plant, as a soup for one month after parturition. They believe that Torbangun stimulates breast milk production. More than this, Torbangun soup is considered to return the mother to a healthy state after delivery. Torbangun is thought to serve several purposes, not only to enhance breast milk production, but to decrease the risk of placental retention ('act as a uterine cleansing agent'), and restore energy and strength lost during parturition. The tradition has been practiced for hundreds of years, and adherence is still strong. An intervention study was conducted in Simalungun North Sumatra Indonesia on 75 lactating women. Subjects were randomly assigned into three groups: Moloco (reference group), Fenugreek or Torbangun. The subjects were provided with either Moloco+B12 trade mark sugar coated tablets, Fenugreek capsules or Torbangun soup. Moloco+B12 trade mark tablets and Fenugreek capsules are supplements used by lactating women in Indonesia and in European countries, respectively, in the belief that they stimulate breast milk production. All subjects took the assigned supplement from day 2 after birth for one month. It was observed that Torbangun improved the quantity by 10% and retained the quality (in regard to macro- and micronutrient composition) of breast milk. The use of Torbangun might be suitable for lactating women in general.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15294652&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
wsdm
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 26 2006, 8:56 PM
liked this topic I started...hehe
bump
also wanted to add to those who are trying different galactogogues besides fenugreek, I think it is important to know if the new galactogogue you are choossing actually stimulates prolactin. Sometimes galactogogues work to produce milk in breasts via another pathway.
SugarQ
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 28 2006, 6:13 AM
wow i got that stuff growing in my gargen. hmmmmm.... i think its time to make a tincture.
Surf
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EVE MEMBERS
SugarQ?
July 28 2006, 2:14 PM
Ok, I have some Greek Oregano growing in my garden right now!!!! Can you simply eat a bit of it everyday instead of making a tincture? Is a tincture better than the fresh herb? If so, why? I could actually grow it year round inside. If the fresh herb is better than the tincture, I'm going to start nibbling at it.
Growing boobie blessings to all!!!!
Surf
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SugarQ
July 28 2006, 2:24 PM
Actually, I have Greek Oregano AND Fennel already in my garden!!!!!!! I also have Fenugreek seeds that I was going to plant, but never did. I bought the Fennel thinking I would include it in some dinners, but I haven't. I'm such a scaredy-cat about things like these. I need to buy a good herb book that tells how and what part of the herb to eat!!!!!!!!!!! Each herb is different, and I don't know what part should be eaten and how to prepare it.
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 28 2006, 6:39 PM
Ok, now I know this must be all in my head, but I went out and cut some Greek Oregano and Fennel (seed head looking thing) and washed them and ate them this morning (nothing on them, not cooked, not in anything, simply put them in my mouth and swallowed). Now, a few hours later, I've noticed tingles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I realize this is probably all in my head, but if I'm getting tingles - I'm going to keep on doing it!!!!!!!! Am I crazy, or could this be working?
Growing boobie blessing to all the lovely boobie goddesses!
SugarQ
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 1:57 AM
my family calls this stuff french tyme and we are from the caribbean (trinidad & tobago) we cook with it religiously. http://www.stuartxchange.org/Oregano.html this is the picture of the stuff i got growing. Coleus amboinicus Lour.
wsdm
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 11:39 AM
yay to you surf! Let us know how that goes!!!
SugarQ let us know how effective your tincture is, I am so excited for you beginning your routine soon! I still am trying to flesh out a routine.
I live in New York so I might have to order this stuff from a nursery online and keep a bush growing at my place or something.
They do have the oil of oregano not sure how effective it would be though.
ash
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 29 2006, 9:47 PM
Hi this made me smile. I have fennel growing in my garden and while walking past it the other day I sort of wondered so like you surf i ate some of it. didnt feel anything though. Isnt gripe water made with fennel seeds? i can remember having a swig of that when my sister was a baby.... didnt have any lasting effects lol
Molly
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 30 2006, 7:32 AM
If anyone wants to use fennel for food there is some information about how it's eaten here:
http://www.vortexhealth.net/fennel.html
Remember it's the seeds that are used medicinally, so to get beneficial effects that's the part you need to be consuming.
Surf
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
July 30 2006, 7:47 PM
SugarQ and Molly,
Thanks for the links! SugarQ - that picture looks EXACTLY like what I have growing in my garden!!! Molly - what a cool website. I bookmarked it so that I can use it as a reference!
I was away Sat, so I didn't get to munch on any fennel or greek oregano. I didn't have any tingles on Sat. I'm going to go pick some right now and munch on it. I'll let you know if I get more tingles! Wish me luck!
Growing boobie blessing to all!
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munch away !!!!
July 31 2006, 1:37 AM
Good luck Surf love jelly....
Tap
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Munching away
July 31 2006, 5:34 AM
nice thread girls! speaking of munching, we live on a farm and i was walking the paddock (feild) the other day to see red clover growing in the grass.... you can guess the rest... munch munch munch... i felt like a desperate cow...
MOOOOOO!!!! The things we do for boobs!!
Tap
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Tap
July 31 2006, 9:06 AM
Gee Tap your intestines must love that fibre, lets know if you get more tingles or have a moooooooving experience love jelly......
Surf
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Re: Galactogogue more effective than fenugreek?
August 2 2006, 10:12 PM
Jelly & Tap,
You two are too funny! So, Tap, have you had any pains or tingles from your meadow munching?
Growing boobie blessings to all the lovely bobbie goddesses!