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Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 10 2006 at 12:48 PM Liz (Login Liz1967)
Does anyone feel depressed since taking SP? I believe I am depressed and dont know if is tis because of SP.
pomegranate
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 10 2006, 4:16 PM
I'm taking herbs, sp included and having depression as well.
yvonne03
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 10 2006, 6:10 PM
I have been through a depression and i found that taking vitamin b pills and/or st. johns wort helps out a lot.
mild or intense physical activity helps a lot too.
try doing these before you ditch the sp. depression can be caused by many things.
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 12:22 PM
Anyone can tell that depression is because we are taking Saw Palmetto? What if we substitute SP for another herb like nettle?
gingerD
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 12:47 PM
I was thinking of adding SP to my BEP but this concerns me i don't want to feel depressed
Liz
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 1:53 PM
I dont know if everyone feels depressed with SP. But i wonder if i should change SP to nettle.
Snowflake
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 2:23 PM
Yes, "B" compex supports the nervous system, try and get B complex 100 if you can. As far as St. John's wort, I would stay away from that. It not only toxifies the liver it is addictive. It is only to be used on a short term basis.
henri
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 4:59 PM
Umm, I'm not trying to contradict you Snowflake, but I dont think St. Johns wort is addictive. Its also not really for short term use either, its just that most people that use St. Johns wort only need it for short periods of time. I don't know about the liver bit, but I do know that it takes about 2 full days of taking it before you start to notice any difference. My dad has been using it off and on for golly close to 15 years or more. Its alot safer then any presciption in regrads to side effects, because there aren't any, except feeling better. It can however lead to anemia if taken for long periods of time I believe.
I personally have taken St. Johns wort for about a year and then switched to Kava, I usually only need it through the winter as I battle SADS, but this year seemed to be hard on me, and I was taking it most of the summer too. I do know that Kava can cause liver problems if taken in excess and for many years, but not everyone has that problem, and excess means, way more the the recommended dosage for a long period of time. Kava also takes about an hour to get into your system and then you have quicker results. My guess is like all the herbs, everybody needs a break here and there, and to use the least amount possible.
If you think that the depression is from the SP, then try switching to something else like suggested, or lowering the dosage amount. If you are going to try something, then I would suggest the St. J W before trying anything else, as its a milder version. I also know the Ginko Giloba (sp?) is supposed to be good as well. There is a book out that explains natural alternatives to depression, and also goes over the side effects of both herbs and prescriptions and stuff like that I just don't remember the name, but those three things are the ones they recommend depending on what you suffer.
Snowflake
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Only Some of what I have found.
October 11 2006, 7:49 PM
Main Category: Complementary Medicine / Alternative Medicine News
Article Date: 09 Apr 2006 - 1:00am (PDT)
| email this article | printer friendly | view or write opinions | Article Also Appears In
Public HealthPrimary Care / General Practice
St. John's wort and Echinacea, two widely-used herbal preparations, have been found to increase activity of a specific enzyme in the liver and intestine, an enzyme involved in the metabolization of roughly one in every four pharmaceutical drugs on the market today, reports a clinical pharmacologist at Indiana University School of Medicine.
Metabolizing pharmaceuticals too slowly or too quickly can cause drug toxicity and/or loss of therapeutic function. Drugs known to be affected range from oral contraceptives to antihypertension medications to drugs to prevent rejection of transplanted organs.
Dr. J. Christopher Gorski described his research and its clinical significance on April 4 at Experimental Biology 2006 in San Francisco. Dr. Gorski was one of several experts speaking at a symposium on metabolic considerations in the action of herbal medicines, part of the scientific program of the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics.
The fact that St. John's wort causes many drugs to be metabolized too quickly was well established when Dr. Gorski began his research. He wanted to know how it happened. In order to prove that the process involved enzyme cytochrome P450 3A4, he worked with patients who had been taking the herbal preparation before they were given midazolam (Versed), a relaxant often given to patients before minor surgical procedures. Midazolam was chosen because it is one of the pharmaceuticals known to be metabolized by that particular enzyme. Laboratory analysis revealed the relaxant metabolized much more quickly in patients who had been using St. John's wort.
The team then turned to oral contraception, following up on clinical reports that St. John's wort had reduced the efficacy of these drugs. Dr. Gorski found that one or more components of the oral contraceptive were more rapidly metabolized and cleared from the body by cytochrome P450 3A4 in women who also had been taking St. John's wort. Furthermore, when 12 women who had not been taking St. John's wort added it to their drug regimen for two months, seven of 12 women experienced increased breakthrough bleeding, generally considered a clinical indication of decreased protection against pregnancy by the oral contraceptive.
Dr. Gorski now is studying the impact of St. John's wort on antihistamines and other pharmaceutical drugs.
Dr. Gorski began his research with Echinacea, a herbal preparation often touted for its ability to prevent or treat colds and flu, simply because it is one of the most commonly used herbal preparations in the country. Unlike as with St. John's wort, there had been no reports in the scientific literature of problems caused by Echinacea's interaction with pharmaceutical drugs. But when he administered the recommended doses for the recommended eight days to individuals taking various pharmaceuticals, he found that Echinacea altered the metabolic capacity of a number of enzymes that play important roles in the de disposition of these medications. He now is looking at Echinacea's impact on other commonly used pharmaceuticals.
Bottom line? Dr. Gorski says that patients and clinicians should be aware of possible reductions in systemic bioavailability - and thus lowered therapeutic efficacy - of conventional drugs when taken at the same time as St. John's wort, Echinacea, and possibly other herbal preparations. And when he says conventional drugs, he means both prescription and over the counter ones. Acetaminophen, for example, one of the most commonly available OTC drugs, used widely for muscle pain, inflammation and headaches, is extremely safe but can have extremely harsh consequences if it is altered. A "doomsday prediction" would be the arrival on the market of some new herbal preparation that would impact such a widely used drug.
###
Contact: Sylvia Wrobel
ebpress@bellsouth.net
Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology
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Snowflake
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Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 7:51 PM
St. John's Wort when taken with NBE would be just too much for the liver to handle, thus leading to toxification.
henri
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 8:29 PM
I am not disagreeing with anything you posted, but I think it should be noted, that this is true for alot of different things we take.
I do agree that the St. Johns Wort and the Kava can lead to an over toxification because they can break things down faster, this includes alchohol as well, and that one needs to be careful, but like I said, there are many other things that do this as well.
I think it would be better to post, that St. Johns Wort when taken with NBE could be too much for the liver to handle. Just like everything else could work or could not work.
Snowflake
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EVE MEMBERS
Concerns with BC pills
October 11 2006, 10:23 PM
Alot of girls here are already concerned with the effectiveness of BC and adding herbs(NBE), but to take St.John's Wort while on BC pills would be totally irresponible, as it is quite clear St.J. W. interferes with most medications effectiveness. There are alternatives for depression, or severe period blues. I would recommend anything else first, and only St.JW as a last resort. Only medical web sites or Labratory sites will tell you the whole truth about the herbs. Web sites trying to sell products whatever they may be will never disclose negative side effects. However medical web sites rarely support herbs as Labs making synthetic drugs would loose profits. Never trust info where the web site is selling their herbs, you have to do searchs for the negative side effects as well as the beneficial effects.
Tap
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my SP experience
October 12 2006, 5:54 AM
Our experiences with SP could all be quiet different depending on our individual hormone balance. FOr me, I was on SP for 6 months, then came off it so that i could experiment with Pueraria Mirifica.. My mood went so south i fell off the planet. It was incredible. My husband couldn't believe it either. I got back on the SP and the world suddenly became a nice place again.
Thats me, we;re all different.
Love Tap
Marie787
(Login Marie787)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
January 8 2007, 5:58 AM
I've been on saw palmetto for months now and not had any problems. I've felt amazingly calm since I've been on NBE.
October 10 2006 at 12:48 PM Liz (Login Liz1967)
Does anyone feel depressed since taking SP? I believe I am depressed and dont know if is tis because of SP.
pomegranate
(Login 4pomegranate)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 10 2006, 4:16 PM
I'm taking herbs, sp included and having depression as well.
yvonne03
Login yvonne03)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 10 2006, 6:10 PM
I have been through a depression and i found that taking vitamin b pills and/or st. johns wort helps out a lot.
mild or intense physical activity helps a lot too.
try doing these before you ditch the sp. depression can be caused by many things.
Liz
(Login Liz1967)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 12:22 PM
Anyone can tell that depression is because we are taking Saw Palmetto? What if we substitute SP for another herb like nettle?
gingerD
(Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 12:47 PM
I was thinking of adding SP to my BEP but this concerns me i don't want to feel depressed
Liz
(no login)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 1:53 PM
I dont know if everyone feels depressed with SP. But i wonder if i should change SP to nettle.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 2:23 PM
Yes, "B" compex supports the nervous system, try and get B complex 100 if you can. As far as St. John's wort, I would stay away from that. It not only toxifies the liver it is addictive. It is only to be used on a short term basis.
henri
(Login henriettahippo)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 4:59 PM
Umm, I'm not trying to contradict you Snowflake, but I dont think St. Johns wort is addictive. Its also not really for short term use either, its just that most people that use St. Johns wort only need it for short periods of time. I don't know about the liver bit, but I do know that it takes about 2 full days of taking it before you start to notice any difference. My dad has been using it off and on for golly close to 15 years or more. Its alot safer then any presciption in regrads to side effects, because there aren't any, except feeling better. It can however lead to anemia if taken for long periods of time I believe.
I personally have taken St. Johns wort for about a year and then switched to Kava, I usually only need it through the winter as I battle SADS, but this year seemed to be hard on me, and I was taking it most of the summer too. I do know that Kava can cause liver problems if taken in excess and for many years, but not everyone has that problem, and excess means, way more the the recommended dosage for a long period of time. Kava also takes about an hour to get into your system and then you have quicker results. My guess is like all the herbs, everybody needs a break here and there, and to use the least amount possible.
If you think that the depression is from the SP, then try switching to something else like suggested, or lowering the dosage amount. If you are going to try something, then I would suggest the St. J W before trying anything else, as its a milder version. I also know the Ginko Giloba (sp?) is supposed to be good as well. There is a book out that explains natural alternatives to depression, and also goes over the side effects of both herbs and prescriptions and stuff like that I just don't remember the name, but those three things are the ones they recommend depending on what you suffer.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Only Some of what I have found.
October 11 2006, 7:49 PM
Main Category: Complementary Medicine / Alternative Medicine News
Article Date: 09 Apr 2006 - 1:00am (PDT)
| email this article | printer friendly | view or write opinions | Article Also Appears In
Public HealthPrimary Care / General Practice
St. John's wort and Echinacea, two widely-used herbal preparations, have been found to increase activity of a specific enzyme in the liver and intestine, an enzyme involved in the metabolization of roughly one in every four pharmaceutical drugs on the market today, reports a clinical pharmacologist at Indiana University School of Medicine.
Metabolizing pharmaceuticals too slowly or too quickly can cause drug toxicity and/or loss of therapeutic function. Drugs known to be affected range from oral contraceptives to antihypertension medications to drugs to prevent rejection of transplanted organs.
Dr. J. Christopher Gorski described his research and its clinical significance on April 4 at Experimental Biology 2006 in San Francisco. Dr. Gorski was one of several experts speaking at a symposium on metabolic considerations in the action of herbal medicines, part of the scientific program of the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics.
The fact that St. John's wort causes many drugs to be metabolized too quickly was well established when Dr. Gorski began his research. He wanted to know how it happened. In order to prove that the process involved enzyme cytochrome P450 3A4, he worked with patients who had been taking the herbal preparation before they were given midazolam (Versed), a relaxant often given to patients before minor surgical procedures. Midazolam was chosen because it is one of the pharmaceuticals known to be metabolized by that particular enzyme. Laboratory analysis revealed the relaxant metabolized much more quickly in patients who had been using St. John's wort.
The team then turned to oral contraception, following up on clinical reports that St. John's wort had reduced the efficacy of these drugs. Dr. Gorski found that one or more components of the oral contraceptive were more rapidly metabolized and cleared from the body by cytochrome P450 3A4 in women who also had been taking St. John's wort. Furthermore, when 12 women who had not been taking St. John's wort added it to their drug regimen for two months, seven of 12 women experienced increased breakthrough bleeding, generally considered a clinical indication of decreased protection against pregnancy by the oral contraceptive.
Dr. Gorski now is studying the impact of St. John's wort on antihistamines and other pharmaceutical drugs.
Dr. Gorski began his research with Echinacea, a herbal preparation often touted for its ability to prevent or treat colds and flu, simply because it is one of the most commonly used herbal preparations in the country. Unlike as with St. John's wort, there had been no reports in the scientific literature of problems caused by Echinacea's interaction with pharmaceutical drugs. But when he administered the recommended doses for the recommended eight days to individuals taking various pharmaceuticals, he found that Echinacea altered the metabolic capacity of a number of enzymes that play important roles in the de disposition of these medications. He now is looking at Echinacea's impact on other commonly used pharmaceuticals.
Bottom line? Dr. Gorski says that patients and clinicians should be aware of possible reductions in systemic bioavailability - and thus lowered therapeutic efficacy - of conventional drugs when taken at the same time as St. John's wort, Echinacea, and possibly other herbal preparations. And when he says conventional drugs, he means both prescription and over the counter ones. Acetaminophen, for example, one of the most commonly available OTC drugs, used widely for muscle pain, inflammation and headaches, is extremely safe but can have extremely harsh consequences if it is altered. A "doomsday prediction" would be the arrival on the market of some new herbal preparation that would impact such a widely used drug.
###
Contact: Sylvia Wrobel
ebpress@bellsouth.net
Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology
< back to top
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 7:51 PM
St. John's Wort when taken with NBE would be just too much for the liver to handle, thus leading to toxification.
henri
(Login henriettahippo)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
October 11 2006, 8:29 PM
I am not disagreeing with anything you posted, but I think it should be noted, that this is true for alot of different things we take.
I do agree that the St. Johns Wort and the Kava can lead to an over toxification because they can break things down faster, this includes alchohol as well, and that one needs to be careful, but like I said, there are many other things that do this as well.
I think it would be better to post, that St. Johns Wort when taken with NBE could be too much for the liver to handle. Just like everything else could work or could not work.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Concerns with BC pills
October 11 2006, 10:23 PM
Alot of girls here are already concerned with the effectiveness of BC and adding herbs(NBE), but to take St.John's Wort while on BC pills would be totally irresponible, as it is quite clear St.J. W. interferes with most medications effectiveness. There are alternatives for depression, or severe period blues. I would recommend anything else first, and only St.JW as a last resort. Only medical web sites or Labratory sites will tell you the whole truth about the herbs. Web sites trying to sell products whatever they may be will never disclose negative side effects. However medical web sites rarely support herbs as Labs making synthetic drugs would loose profits. Never trust info where the web site is selling their herbs, you have to do searchs for the negative side effects as well as the beneficial effects.
Tap
(Login Tap69)
EVE MEMBERS
my SP experience
October 12 2006, 5:54 AM
Our experiences with SP could all be quiet different depending on our individual hormone balance. FOr me, I was on SP for 6 months, then came off it so that i could experiment with Pueraria Mirifica.. My mood went so south i fell off the planet. It was incredible. My husband couldn't believe it either. I got back on the SP and the world suddenly became a nice place again.
Thats me, we;re all different.
Love Tap
Marie787
(Login Marie787)
Re: Saw Palmetto and feelings
January 8 2007, 5:58 AM
I've been on saw palmetto for months now and not had any problems. I've felt amazingly calm since I've been on NBE.