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Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 14 2008 at 6:01 AM Conner (no login)
Hello again, everyone.
I am so sorry to be asking all these questions as I try to devise my first REAL NBE routine, but I am trying to do it right. On the recomendations of many ladies on this sight, I went to the doctor and got checked for hormone imbalance, and it turns out that I have excess androgens. I know that Saw Palmetto is good for this, and I would think that taking estrogenic herbs like fenugreek would also be good for this. But, I thought I would plead for advise as to what a good routine for someone with excess androgens is. Right now I am thinking about taking the following:
AM
Saw Palmetto - 900 mg
Fish Oil - 1000 mg
Maca - 300g
EPO- 500 mg
DIM (for estroen balance)
L-tyrosine - 1000 mg
Vit E - 400 mg
Fennugreek - 800 mg
PM (same dosages)
Saw Palmetto
Maca
EPO
Fenugreek
I also take Marine Collagen at night.
Any reccomenations on dosages,times I should take them, things I should add or take out because of my excess androgens, etc. is greatly appreciated. Thank you all and good luck with all of your routines...
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 14 2008, 3:01 PM
take no more than 1500mg of SP. I do a about 1200mg, half in the morning and then the other half at night.
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 14 2008, 9:44 PM
Thank you joey, for that advice...do you have excess androgens?
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 12:03 AM
yea, i do. I am not exactly how to fix them yet myself. I know that licorice is good for you and I can't remember what else. I'll post it when I remember.
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 4:08 PM
Thank you very much, I have done research on androgen excess, and have found the most positive things to be said about Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root, and spearmint. But as always, its nice to speak with someone who is dealing with it as well. So thanks for all youe help.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 8:45 PM
Hi Conner,
I have suffered from excess androgens since puberty so I know what you are going through. I have been doing this herb and NBE thing for a good few years now.
I tried SP, it did help but I got terrible cellulite from it and bottomised weight gain that just wasnt nice anymore. I have found that Nettle root works much better for me, I only have to take 500mg a day and that sorts me out better than the SP which I had to take at higher dosages.
I have been using Vitex to balance my hormones since September last year and that actually seems to be doing the best, I combine it with Nettle root when I can be bothered and feel it is necessary.
You can check out my programs page, I just updated it a few days ago with the whole vitex thing being the last post down.
Moon and Louise know a lot about this topic as well, so they are always good to ask for advice.
Regarding your program I really cant give you any other advice than to ramp up slow and see what works best for you. Except of Fenugreek and SP I never tried any of those, but Fenugreek makes a lot of women break out with acne and you smell from it as well. If you dont go in the sun too much you can use Fennel as an alternative, that wont make you smell and works too.
Also, do the knuckle massage but dont overdo it, I have found stimulating pressure points around the breasts aids in breast growth quite a bit. The right lotion helps as well.
I am just too lazy to stick to it anymore.
All the best for your program and good luck, I have my fingers crossed for you!
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 8:03 AM
Thank you Lisa, so much, for all of you guidance and advice...I did look at your updated programs page, and it was really helpful. If you dont mind, may I ask you another question? Well, two questions...what do you think helped the most with the acne that tends to come with excess androgens...and also, what do you think you experienced the most growth because of? I hope I am not to o much of a bother with all of this, and if I can offer support to you in anyway, please feel free to ask....thanks again.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 1:02 PM
Hello Conner,
that is no problem, you are very welcome, I am glad if I can help and your questions are no bother at all.
As for the acne problem, I am not really sure, I think the Nettle helped pretty well but I think drinking milk thistle tea and spearmint at the same time really made my skin clear up. You may want to try one or the other alone if you dont want to use both, my first shot would be the milk thistle though as that cleans the liver and I think that may just have helped with the acne. You could try green oats tea as well, that may help with the boob growth too.
Just now my skin seems a lot better, I am not sure what this is due to, if the Vitex is starting to really kick in, I am not sure, but my skin is pretty good just now even though I have my days at the moment and usually that means major break outs.
I recently started drinking sage tea against the sweatiness, that is good for your skin and against acne as well, so it may just be that. It is always difficult to tell, so you are best just trying the things singly and see what works for you. With most of these you should make sure you take breaks though, neither sage nor green oats tea for example should be used for a longer period of time, so generally not more than two or three months at most.
Topically I dilute some tea tree oil with water one to one in a little bottle, shake it well (because it doesnt mix) and put it on some cotton wool to clean my face or just to put it on single spots. Zink cream helps to reduce the redness of spots and the infection too.
I have found a new secret for my skin, that is cream mixed lactic acid. I bought cream for acne with lactic acid in it but it was just so expensive. I use a diaphragm and the cream is based on lactic acid. I get mine from the chemist, they mix it themselves and I just mix my own cream with about 2/3 of cream to 1/3 of the acid. That really helps keep the acne in check and it is cheaper than the other stuff.
As for the growth, I think the fenugreek and nettle mix worked really well for me, and also my own home made lotion with the fennel extract, ylang ylang and geranium olis. The recipe is on my programs page, together with fengshuis massage instructions. Also drinking soy milk along it seemed to help.
Everyone is different though so a totally different mix may work wonders for you. I personally noticed that lower dosages work better for me than the higher ones and I dont stall as quickly.
I hope I didnt go on for too long.
Good luck with your program and keep me posted on how it goes.
Zuri
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 3:37 PM
Hi Conner,
EPO has helped clear my skin a lot. It is supposed to have an anti-inflammatory effect which helps combat acne.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 5:37 PM
Hi,
I'm not on here much now because of internet issues but just to say that I think you should ditch the herbs, get your hormones straight on meds first then deal with boobs later. I think it's also questionable how much success you are likely to get from herbs because your hormones are imbalanced and the meds that you may be given might mess up your digestion so you won't absorb things properly. Hasn't the doctor prescribed anything? Have you thought about suction? I got good growth with Brava and maybe a little with BB (which is more convenient).
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 9:38 PM
hey lisa, where do you get your Nettle root from? I have the hardest time finding nettle root. I can only find the nettle leaf etc.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 19 2008, 6:54 AM
Hi Joey, I get nettle root from vortexhealth.net, their shipping within Europe is free, so it is quite cheap and generally really fast service too.
Hi Louise, how have you been? Have the meds helped you so far and how are you feeling? I have been doing good on the vitex, which is a relief. Really glad I am off the pill, that really messed me up more than it done me good.
Jennifer
(no login)
Androgen Excess, what is the best for that?
May 21 2008, 4:43 PM
Hello Girls-
I also have excess Androgens and I am considering purchasing wonderup. Can anyone tell me if Wonderup or Nature Day will work well with my situation? I know that there are better pills to take if you have excess estrogen and ones to take if you have excess androgens. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
Joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 21 2008, 9:15 PM
Hey Lisa,
Where did you learn about the pressure points for NBE? Are they listed on here? I have only seent he pressure points on the one massage page on here. Are there other pressure points or are those the ones you use?
Thanks.
Joey
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 22 2008, 6:00 AM
Thanks Zuri and Louise and Lisa for your help...
Louise...
no, the doctor has not prescribed anything for the imbalance, but I am thinking about taking Vitex like Louise has. I do want to straighten out the hormones.I have not started any routine yet, just consiering an herb based one and have been taking supplements and oing massage to help prepare my body for it when I do start. But since the herbs are estrogenic herbs, wouldnt the added estrogen balance out the androgens...thanks agaon for your advice.
Zuri,
Thanks for the reccomenation. I will add that to my routine. My skin is not really bad, I dont break out often, its just that when I do, I break out a lot and they are stubborn and dont like to go away...I thought I had left pimples behind as a teenager....
Lisa,
Just wanted to say thats again for all the help...
COnner
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 22 2008, 6:45 PM
Hi Joey, yes, those are the pressure points I use(d). I also massaged the points for the uterus and ovaries which are at the side below your ankles as well just because they were sore. Not sure if stimulating them helps or not, I thought it wouldnt do any harm. You can probably find those on the internet or just looking into any reflexology book in a bookshop.
Conner, you are very welcome, I am glad if I can help. As for the persistent pimples that dont go away, bang on tea tree oil, concentrated if you need (just watch as some people get a rash) and zinc paste. That really helps with stubborn ones, esp. the zinc paste.
Jennifer, you can use wonderup but I would combine it with Nettle root or Saw Palmetto. Nettle root is my favourite, I can highly recommend that. Like that you should grow, you just need something to suppress the androgen excess, which those two (Nettle and SP) do. I think wonderup is quite a good product and I dont see why it shouldnt work if you add one or the other to the routine. Start low with the dosages of all and stick to those for at least two months, ideally three, to see if anything happens (tingles, pains, fullness), and you should not need more than 1000 mg of Nettle root, I only take 500 mg and that does fine.
It is just finding the mixture and dosages of herbs that work for you.
Good luck to all of you.
ophelia
(Login ophelia)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 30 2008, 4:19 PM
Spearmint and licorice can get forgotten but these are very useful for androgens.
May 14 2008 at 6:01 AM Conner (no login)
Hello again, everyone.
I am so sorry to be asking all these questions as I try to devise my first REAL NBE routine, but I am trying to do it right. On the recomendations of many ladies on this sight, I went to the doctor and got checked for hormone imbalance, and it turns out that I have excess androgens. I know that Saw Palmetto is good for this, and I would think that taking estrogenic herbs like fenugreek would also be good for this. But, I thought I would plead for advise as to what a good routine for someone with excess androgens is. Right now I am thinking about taking the following:
AM
Saw Palmetto - 900 mg
Fish Oil - 1000 mg
Maca - 300g
EPO- 500 mg
DIM (for estroen balance)
L-tyrosine - 1000 mg
Vit E - 400 mg
Fennugreek - 800 mg
PM (same dosages)
Saw Palmetto
Maca
EPO
Fenugreek
I also take Marine Collagen at night.
Any reccomenations on dosages,times I should take them, things I should add or take out because of my excess androgens, etc. is greatly appreciated. Thank you all and good luck with all of your routines...
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 14 2008, 3:01 PM
take no more than 1500mg of SP. I do a about 1200mg, half in the morning and then the other half at night.
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 14 2008, 9:44 PM
Thank you joey, for that advice...do you have excess androgens?
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 12:03 AM
yea, i do. I am not exactly how to fix them yet myself. I know that licorice is good for you and I can't remember what else. I'll post it when I remember.
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 4:08 PM
Thank you very much, I have done research on androgen excess, and have found the most positive things to be said about Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root, and spearmint. But as always, its nice to speak with someone who is dealing with it as well. So thanks for all youe help.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 15 2008, 8:45 PM
Hi Conner,
I have suffered from excess androgens since puberty so I know what you are going through. I have been doing this herb and NBE thing for a good few years now.
I tried SP, it did help but I got terrible cellulite from it and bottomised weight gain that just wasnt nice anymore. I have found that Nettle root works much better for me, I only have to take 500mg a day and that sorts me out better than the SP which I had to take at higher dosages.
I have been using Vitex to balance my hormones since September last year and that actually seems to be doing the best, I combine it with Nettle root when I can be bothered and feel it is necessary.
You can check out my programs page, I just updated it a few days ago with the whole vitex thing being the last post down.
Moon and Louise know a lot about this topic as well, so they are always good to ask for advice.
Regarding your program I really cant give you any other advice than to ramp up slow and see what works best for you. Except of Fenugreek and SP I never tried any of those, but Fenugreek makes a lot of women break out with acne and you smell from it as well. If you dont go in the sun too much you can use Fennel as an alternative, that wont make you smell and works too.
Also, do the knuckle massage but dont overdo it, I have found stimulating pressure points around the breasts aids in breast growth quite a bit. The right lotion helps as well.
I am just too lazy to stick to it anymore.
All the best for your program and good luck, I have my fingers crossed for you!
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 8:03 AM
Thank you Lisa, so much, for all of you guidance and advice...I did look at your updated programs page, and it was really helpful. If you dont mind, may I ask you another question? Well, two questions...what do you think helped the most with the acne that tends to come with excess androgens...and also, what do you think you experienced the most growth because of? I hope I am not to o much of a bother with all of this, and if I can offer support to you in anyway, please feel free to ask....thanks again.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 1:02 PM
Hello Conner,
that is no problem, you are very welcome, I am glad if I can help and your questions are no bother at all.
As for the acne problem, I am not really sure, I think the Nettle helped pretty well but I think drinking milk thistle tea and spearmint at the same time really made my skin clear up. You may want to try one or the other alone if you dont want to use both, my first shot would be the milk thistle though as that cleans the liver and I think that may just have helped with the acne. You could try green oats tea as well, that may help with the boob growth too.
Just now my skin seems a lot better, I am not sure what this is due to, if the Vitex is starting to really kick in, I am not sure, but my skin is pretty good just now even though I have my days at the moment and usually that means major break outs.
I recently started drinking sage tea against the sweatiness, that is good for your skin and against acne as well, so it may just be that. It is always difficult to tell, so you are best just trying the things singly and see what works for you. With most of these you should make sure you take breaks though, neither sage nor green oats tea for example should be used for a longer period of time, so generally not more than two or three months at most.
Topically I dilute some tea tree oil with water one to one in a little bottle, shake it well (because it doesnt mix) and put it on some cotton wool to clean my face or just to put it on single spots. Zink cream helps to reduce the redness of spots and the infection too.
I have found a new secret for my skin, that is cream mixed lactic acid. I bought cream for acne with lactic acid in it but it was just so expensive. I use a diaphragm and the cream is based on lactic acid. I get mine from the chemist, they mix it themselves and I just mix my own cream with about 2/3 of cream to 1/3 of the acid. That really helps keep the acne in check and it is cheaper than the other stuff.
As for the growth, I think the fenugreek and nettle mix worked really well for me, and also my own home made lotion with the fennel extract, ylang ylang and geranium olis. The recipe is on my programs page, together with fengshuis massage instructions. Also drinking soy milk along it seemed to help.
Everyone is different though so a totally different mix may work wonders for you. I personally noticed that lower dosages work better for me than the higher ones and I dont stall as quickly.
I hope I didnt go on for too long.
Good luck with your program and keep me posted on how it goes.
Zuri
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 3:37 PM
Hi Conner,
EPO has helped clear my skin a lot. It is supposed to have an anti-inflammatory effect which helps combat acne.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 5:37 PM
Hi,
I'm not on here much now because of internet issues but just to say that I think you should ditch the herbs, get your hormones straight on meds first then deal with boobs later. I think it's also questionable how much success you are likely to get from herbs because your hormones are imbalanced and the meds that you may be given might mess up your digestion so you won't absorb things properly. Hasn't the doctor prescribed anything? Have you thought about suction? I got good growth with Brava and maybe a little with BB (which is more convenient).
joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 18 2008, 9:38 PM
hey lisa, where do you get your Nettle root from? I have the hardest time finding nettle root. I can only find the nettle leaf etc.
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 19 2008, 6:54 AM
Hi Joey, I get nettle root from vortexhealth.net, their shipping within Europe is free, so it is quite cheap and generally really fast service too.
Hi Louise, how have you been? Have the meds helped you so far and how are you feeling? I have been doing good on the vitex, which is a relief. Really glad I am off the pill, that really messed me up more than it done me good.
Jennifer
(no login)
Androgen Excess, what is the best for that?
May 21 2008, 4:43 PM
Hello Girls-
I also have excess Androgens and I am considering purchasing wonderup. Can anyone tell me if Wonderup or Nature Day will work well with my situation? I know that there are better pills to take if you have excess estrogen and ones to take if you have excess androgens. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
Joey
(Login Joeykk)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 21 2008, 9:15 PM
Hey Lisa,
Where did you learn about the pressure points for NBE? Are they listed on here? I have only seent he pressure points on the one massage page on here. Are there other pressure points or are those the ones you use?
Thanks.
Joey
Conner
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 22 2008, 6:00 AM
Thanks Zuri and Louise and Lisa for your help...
Louise...
no, the doctor has not prescribed anything for the imbalance, but I am thinking about taking Vitex like Louise has. I do want to straighten out the hormones.I have not started any routine yet, just consiering an herb based one and have been taking supplements and oing massage to help prepare my body for it when I do start. But since the herbs are estrogenic herbs, wouldnt the added estrogen balance out the androgens...thanks agaon for your advice.
Zuri,
Thanks for the reccomenation. I will add that to my routine. My skin is not really bad, I dont break out often, its just that when I do, I break out a lot and they are stubborn and dont like to go away...I thought I had left pimples behind as a teenager....
Lisa,
Just wanted to say thats again for all the help...
COnner
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 22 2008, 6:45 PM
Hi Joey, yes, those are the pressure points I use(d). I also massaged the points for the uterus and ovaries which are at the side below your ankles as well just because they were sore. Not sure if stimulating them helps or not, I thought it wouldnt do any harm. You can probably find those on the internet or just looking into any reflexology book in a bookshop.
Conner, you are very welcome, I am glad if I can help. As for the persistent pimples that dont go away, bang on tea tree oil, concentrated if you need (just watch as some people get a rash) and zinc paste. That really helps with stubborn ones, esp. the zinc paste.
Jennifer, you can use wonderup but I would combine it with Nettle root or Saw Palmetto. Nettle root is my favourite, I can highly recommend that. Like that you should grow, you just need something to suppress the androgen excess, which those two (Nettle and SP) do. I think wonderup is quite a good product and I dont see why it shouldnt work if you add one or the other to the routine. Start low with the dosages of all and stick to those for at least two months, ideally three, to see if anything happens (tingles, pains, fullness), and you should not need more than 1000 mg of Nettle root, I only take 500 mg and that does fine.
It is just finding the mixture and dosages of herbs that work for you.
Good luck to all of you.
ophelia
(Login ophelia)
Re: Androgen Excess, what is the best for that...
May 30 2008, 4:19 PM
Spearmint and licorice can get forgotten but these are very useful for androgens.