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March 15 2008 at 11:58 PM
Hopeful88 (Login Hopeful88)
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I had some root beer today (I know it is carbonated & full of sugar and caffeine but I couldn't resist!) So as I was drinking I started to wonder where it gets all of its flavors from. I then looked it up online and alot of it comes from the plant Sarsaparilla (as well as Licorice Root, Anise, and Nutmeg!) I then came across some sites saying how Sarsaparilla is related to Progesterone synthesis and such:
http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/herbs_sarsaparilla.html
http://www.globalherbalsupplies.com/herb_information/sarsaparilla.htm
http://www.publix.com/wellness/notes/Display.do?id=Herb&childId=Sarsaparilla
http://www.happypmscream.com/mens_progesterone.htm
"Sarsaparilla contains the amino acids methionine and cystein. Sarsaparilla contains a sapogen called diosgenin which contains the female hormone progesterone and male hormone testosterone. Sarsaparilla helps strenghten the nerve fibers and tissue of the brain, spinal cord, lungs, and throat. Sarsaparilla is especially good for removing heavy metallic contaminants from the blood, which are received through the nostrils in the foul, smog filled air of urban areas. Sarsaparilla root, which contains testosterone, will help hair to re-grow."
There's alot more links but you get the idea. It is a downside that it affects testosterone but nonetheless I just thought this was an interesting little relation to NBE! So if we must have some soda pop might as well have root beer and perhaps get a little bit of those NBE ingrediants in it right?
Kekie
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Some rootbeer is caffinated
March 16 2008, 12:32 AM
I give my toddler A&W (also Mug rootbeer) because it is caffine free. There is still sugar, but it doesn't hype her up like a caffinated soda would. Interesting info. You really do your research Hopeful.
Hopeful88
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 3:35 PM
Aw, thanks for the complimet and for sharing that ino with me because A&W is the kind I was drinking so I'm happy to hear it doesn't have caffeine in it
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 6:31 PM
Hi Hopeful,
I did a bit of looking and found out a few things about the progesterone potential of sarsaparilla... The following is an excerpt of a quote from Dr. John Lee:
"In the 1930's Dr Russell E Marker was searching through plants in central America that were known to have some estrogen like effect. In the sarsaparilla plant he found a fat that was very close to cholesterol, kind of half way on the way to progesterone so he devised a series of chemistry steps, 3 steps I think it was, and he ended up with real progesterone. But then he discovered that there wasn't enough sarsaparilla beans. So then he tried the Mexican wild yam, which is a very large tuber, that grows in the ground - it's like a great big squash, blackish greenish squash and it's very greasy and bland in tasting because it has all these fats and oils. Very nice for the scientist, the fats and oils are very similar to cholesterol...... he showed the world how to make real honest to God human natural progesterone from the fats and oils of plants. So I hope you all know now that it is not in the plant. There are no plants that make our hormones. It was a discovery in the 30's that you could take the fats and oils in plants and they could be converted into the hormone which is identical to ours. So it is real honest to God natural progesterone."
This was taken from this website: http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-real-hormone.htm
So apparently, just like wild yam -sarsaparilla can be transformed in the lab into progesterone - but not in our bodies. Too bad -I would have liked to have a reason to drink root beer other than just for the taste... lol.
waxingmoon
Louise
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 6:40 PM
Waxingmoon, I'm almost blushing as I write this because of the retard-potential in my question! Obviously I should spend hours doing my own research but you sound like you'll know off the top of your head - would eating more cholesterolly fatty foods help with progesterone?
Just a simple 'no you moron' will suffice! (I have a feeling that may be the case but if it's debateable then any info's welcome)
Kekie
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:23 PM
Well Louise the fatty food part might not go well with the rest of the body. I however haven't minded packing a few extra pounds (about 10lbs) because it makes the boobage area a little more full.
Louise
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:28 PM
I don't mean getting fat I mean substituting calories with cholesterol high foods for other foods. I've still got a few pounds to lose elsewhere.
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:57 PM
Hi Louise,
It is not a dumb question, since our bodies make our hormones out of cholesterol. However, there is little evidence to support that eating high cholesterol foods actually raises our cholesterol (I know all the hype says differently, but when you look at the science, the claims just are not true).
You could potentially raise your cholesterol if you ate certain fats. In order to keep you heart healthy, you would want to eat the mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated fats. These will raise your HDL (good cholesterol) and lower your LDL (bad cholesterol). People who have diets high in these fats often have slightly higher cholesterol levels, but it is not considered detrimental since it is their HDL that is high.
This is probably one of the reasons that Evening Primrose oil and Borage oil are considered good for NBE. They are both omega 6 fatty acids which support the creation of HDL cholesterol. Of course for health you would need to balance them with equal or greater amounts of omega 3 fatty acids (from cold water fish like salmon or sardines or from Flax seed).
So- all in all your idea of increased cholesterol helping to increase hormone production is valid. Just look to the mono and poly unsaturated fats for your increase. (by the way there is nothing wrong with eating cholesterol containing foods - egg yolks are very nutritious - just watch out for too much saturated fats in those high cholesterol foods - saturated fats increase both the HDL and the LDL (bad) cholesterol)
waxingmoon -(once again answering a simple question with way too many words... lol)
Louise
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Re: Root Beer
March 17 2008, 5:45 AM
Thanks, a better answer than I was hoping for but still not the 'burgers for boobs' excuse that would've sent me running for the takeaway! It's so long since I did any biology that I can't remember all this stuff. I don't worry too much about having a heart attack or anything I haven't got family history and even the fat people in my family have made it to their 90s.
I understand it's healthier to be pear shaped because it means you're storing fat away from the heart - by growing boobs are we upsetting this?
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 17 2008, 3:34 PM
Hey Louise,
Yeah, I tried that burgers for boobs technique and I think that is why I have all this extra 'me' hanging around. I am in that 'meditation' stage of attempting to lose some of my extra fat (or to translate I am thinking about fixing to get ready to seriously consider creating a plan to lose some of my extra fat).
About boob fat... it isn't so much the size of the breast that would contribute to the 'fat above the waist line' issue of heart disease. Yes, pear shaped bodies are 'more healthy' up to a point - but I mean we also have to consider the SIZE of the pear. "Mega-pears" -meaning anyone who is grossly obese do not fair well heart wise (and WHY do all the ones I see always have to be wearing stretch pants??? I mean just how much of a fight to they go through just to get those things on -ah well I guess it is a form of exercise... but I digress)
We have all seen those slim women/girls with enormous natural boobs. (seen them and wept) They are not at risk of heart disease. It is the 'apple shape'... egg on toothpick... skinny legs and butt, yet really big and round from the waist upward.... Those are the bodies that attract heart disease like a duck to a bug.
But really, where we store our fat is genetic - we can change our 'fate' through controlling our weight and eating the healthy fats (mono and poly unsaturated).
So Louise have no fear - your great big honkin boobs will not be bad for your heart (but I can't say they won't cause stress to the hearts of the men who see you... lol).
waxingmoon
Jackie
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Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 8:48 PM
Oh wow. So if you are pear-shaped... and you are taking all these herbs for NBE and eating all these fatty foods full of omega-6 and what not, it'll just all go to your waist or lower [IF you are pear-shaped]????
I'm a bit pear-shaped but my legs are pretty skinny and I'm not obese at all. It's mainly my hips that are wide and the love handles that make me it.
I really hope everything I'm taking for NBE doesn't go to my waist :/
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 9:39 PM
Hi Jackie,
Where you build body fat is one of those DNA/Fate kind of things.
Whether you gain body fat is one of those more calories in than calories out kind of thing.
In regards to fat gain, our body can just as easily build fat out of too much carbohydrate as too much fat or too much protein. A calorie is a calorie in this regard. Now, as far as how much calorie is in each gram of food - that is totally dependent on whether it is a protein, carbohydrate or fat.
Protein and carbohydrates = 4 calories per gram
Fats = 9 calories per gram.
So this means if you are eating the same gram amount of something that is totally fat you are eating more than twice the calories of something that is totally carbohydrate.
As long as your total calories per day don't exceed what you need you will not gain weight. We can easily lower the portions of other things we eat in order to allow for the extra calories from our supplements.
The idea of NBE is not just getting fatter (I keep having to remind myself of this every time I want to chow down on a greasy burger) -Rather our cunning plans revolve around getting our bodies to put the fat in the boob portion instead of the booty portion.
If, however, you are born with a lot of estrogen receptors in your 'pear-sterior' then welcome to my world. NBE gave me larger boobs, no doubt, but it also gave me a couple of cup size increases in the rear. I am still looking to train those cells to migrate upward (I am currently recruiting some nasty little fat-moving cells with whips to drive those fluffy fat cells up north this spring - a wild west fat drive... yeehaw).
waxingmoon
Jackie
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Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 11:10 PM
HAHAHA [at the last line].
Wow, yeah because I don't need more weight in that area.
What are you doing to make the fat go towards the boobs?
CHRIST! After reading all this. I am definitely going to start major working out and eating ONLY boob foods, so really healthy.
I do NOT want to get any wider. So I HOPE, maybe this will have the fat NOT go to my waist down area.
So, since you are pear-shaped waxingmoon... I am taking vitex to even out my hormones... what herb for NBE do you personally think worked best for you in this case?
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 19 2008, 12:56 AM
Fighting the pear has been a full time job for me. I work out a lot and I concentrate on exercises for the butt - This does not serve to remove the fat from that area but it does make it much nicer to look at. The only way I have ever found to lose body fat is to reduce calories slightly, increase cardio workouts slightly -and the hardest for my busy life -eat 6 small meals a day. I have not done this since beginning NBE because (wait for it, the rationalization as to why she has not kept control of her body fat.. it's coming) I was afraid my boobs would exit if I lost any fat (now there, isn't that a great excuse for being lazy... lol)
As far as my NBE routine - it has been about progesterone, massage, and protein. The progesterone started as progesterone cream to control my estrogen dominance (I have to revert back to it every so often when my symptoms get out of control - I take about a 2 -3 month break from it every 9 months) - I began taking vitex in October of 2006 and have kept it up with a month or two break since then.
The protein has always been important since I work to build muscle - I keep protein levels about 100 -150 grams per day. I also use Vitamin C to help with collagen production.
Every time I tried to use estrogenic herbs or galactogouges it has been miserable for me... and don't get me started about maca (lousy butt fat inducing radish... if I could get my hands around your radishy little neck...)
But this is just what has worked for me - others have done well on different routines. That is what makes NBE so frustrating for many. I believe that almost anyone can grow but they must not give up when something they try fails. They should just review, research and try again. (and patience, always patience...)
waxingmoon
mica
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Re: Root Beer
March 25 2008, 7:27 AM
I like a root beer but I can't summon up the optimism that it will help my breasts get bigger.
March 15 2008 at 11:58 PM
Hopeful88 (Login Hopeful88)
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I had some root beer today (I know it is carbonated & full of sugar and caffeine but I couldn't resist!) So as I was drinking I started to wonder where it gets all of its flavors from. I then looked it up online and alot of it comes from the plant Sarsaparilla (as well as Licorice Root, Anise, and Nutmeg!) I then came across some sites saying how Sarsaparilla is related to Progesterone synthesis and such:
http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/herbs_sarsaparilla.html
http://www.globalherbalsupplies.com/herb_information/sarsaparilla.htm
http://www.publix.com/wellness/notes/Display.do?id=Herb&childId=Sarsaparilla
http://www.happypmscream.com/mens_progesterone.htm
"Sarsaparilla contains the amino acids methionine and cystein. Sarsaparilla contains a sapogen called diosgenin which contains the female hormone progesterone and male hormone testosterone. Sarsaparilla helps strenghten the nerve fibers and tissue of the brain, spinal cord, lungs, and throat. Sarsaparilla is especially good for removing heavy metallic contaminants from the blood, which are received through the nostrils in the foul, smog filled air of urban areas. Sarsaparilla root, which contains testosterone, will help hair to re-grow."
There's alot more links but you get the idea. It is a downside that it affects testosterone but nonetheless I just thought this was an interesting little relation to NBE! So if we must have some soda pop might as well have root beer and perhaps get a little bit of those NBE ingrediants in it right?
Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER
Some rootbeer is caffinated
March 16 2008, 12:32 AM
I give my toddler A&W (also Mug rootbeer) because it is caffine free. There is still sugar, but it doesn't hype her up like a caffinated soda would. Interesting info. You really do your research Hopeful.
Hopeful88
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 3:35 PM
Aw, thanks for the complimet and for sharing that ino with me because A&W is the kind I was drinking so I'm happy to hear it doesn't have caffeine in it
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 6:31 PM
Hi Hopeful,
I did a bit of looking and found out a few things about the progesterone potential of sarsaparilla... The following is an excerpt of a quote from Dr. John Lee:
"In the 1930's Dr Russell E Marker was searching through plants in central America that were known to have some estrogen like effect. In the sarsaparilla plant he found a fat that was very close to cholesterol, kind of half way on the way to progesterone so he devised a series of chemistry steps, 3 steps I think it was, and he ended up with real progesterone. But then he discovered that there wasn't enough sarsaparilla beans. So then he tried the Mexican wild yam, which is a very large tuber, that grows in the ground - it's like a great big squash, blackish greenish squash and it's very greasy and bland in tasting because it has all these fats and oils. Very nice for the scientist, the fats and oils are very similar to cholesterol...... he showed the world how to make real honest to God human natural progesterone from the fats and oils of plants. So I hope you all know now that it is not in the plant. There are no plants that make our hormones. It was a discovery in the 30's that you could take the fats and oils in plants and they could be converted into the hormone which is identical to ours. So it is real honest to God natural progesterone."
This was taken from this website: http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-real-hormone.htm
So apparently, just like wild yam -sarsaparilla can be transformed in the lab into progesterone - but not in our bodies. Too bad -I would have liked to have a reason to drink root beer other than just for the taste... lol.
waxingmoon
Louise
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 6:40 PM
Waxingmoon, I'm almost blushing as I write this because of the retard-potential in my question! Obviously I should spend hours doing my own research but you sound like you'll know off the top of your head - would eating more cholesterolly fatty foods help with progesterone?
Just a simple 'no you moron' will suffice! (I have a feeling that may be the case but if it's debateable then any info's welcome)
Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:23 PM
Well Louise the fatty food part might not go well with the rest of the body. I however haven't minded packing a few extra pounds (about 10lbs) because it makes the boobage area a little more full.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:28 PM
I don't mean getting fat I mean substituting calories with cholesterol high foods for other foods. I've still got a few pounds to lose elsewhere.
waxingmoon
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Re: Root Beer
March 16 2008, 10:57 PM
Hi Louise,
It is not a dumb question, since our bodies make our hormones out of cholesterol. However, there is little evidence to support that eating high cholesterol foods actually raises our cholesterol (I know all the hype says differently, but when you look at the science, the claims just are not true).
You could potentially raise your cholesterol if you ate certain fats. In order to keep you heart healthy, you would want to eat the mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated fats. These will raise your HDL (good cholesterol) and lower your LDL (bad cholesterol). People who have diets high in these fats often have slightly higher cholesterol levels, but it is not considered detrimental since it is their HDL that is high.
This is probably one of the reasons that Evening Primrose oil and Borage oil are considered good for NBE. They are both omega 6 fatty acids which support the creation of HDL cholesterol. Of course for health you would need to balance them with equal or greater amounts of omega 3 fatty acids (from cold water fish like salmon or sardines or from Flax seed).
So- all in all your idea of increased cholesterol helping to increase hormone production is valid. Just look to the mono and poly unsaturated fats for your increase. (by the way there is nothing wrong with eating cholesterol containing foods - egg yolks are very nutritious - just watch out for too much saturated fats in those high cholesterol foods - saturated fats increase both the HDL and the LDL (bad) cholesterol)
waxingmoon -(once again answering a simple question with way too many words... lol)
Louise
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Re: Root Beer
March 17 2008, 5:45 AM
Thanks, a better answer than I was hoping for but still not the 'burgers for boobs' excuse that would've sent me running for the takeaway! It's so long since I did any biology that I can't remember all this stuff. I don't worry too much about having a heart attack or anything I haven't got family history and even the fat people in my family have made it to their 90s.
I understand it's healthier to be pear shaped because it means you're storing fat away from the heart - by growing boobs are we upsetting this?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Root Beer
March 17 2008, 3:34 PM
Hey Louise,
Yeah, I tried that burgers for boobs technique and I think that is why I have all this extra 'me' hanging around. I am in that 'meditation' stage of attempting to lose some of my extra fat (or to translate I am thinking about fixing to get ready to seriously consider creating a plan to lose some of my extra fat).
About boob fat... it isn't so much the size of the breast that would contribute to the 'fat above the waist line' issue of heart disease. Yes, pear shaped bodies are 'more healthy' up to a point - but I mean we also have to consider the SIZE of the pear. "Mega-pears" -meaning anyone who is grossly obese do not fair well heart wise (and WHY do all the ones I see always have to be wearing stretch pants??? I mean just how much of a fight to they go through just to get those things on -ah well I guess it is a form of exercise... but I digress)
We have all seen those slim women/girls with enormous natural boobs. (seen them and wept) They are not at risk of heart disease. It is the 'apple shape'... egg on toothpick... skinny legs and butt, yet really big and round from the waist upward.... Those are the bodies that attract heart disease like a duck to a bug.
But really, where we store our fat is genetic - we can change our 'fate' through controlling our weight and eating the healthy fats (mono and poly unsaturated).
So Louise have no fear - your great big honkin boobs will not be bad for your heart (but I can't say they won't cause stress to the hearts of the men who see you... lol).
waxingmoon
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 8:48 PM
Oh wow. So if you are pear-shaped... and you are taking all these herbs for NBE and eating all these fatty foods full of omega-6 and what not, it'll just all go to your waist or lower [IF you are pear-shaped]????
I'm a bit pear-shaped but my legs are pretty skinny and I'm not obese at all. It's mainly my hips that are wide and the love handles that make me it.
I really hope everything I'm taking for NBE doesn't go to my waist :/
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 9:39 PM
Hi Jackie,
Where you build body fat is one of those DNA/Fate kind of things.
Whether you gain body fat is one of those more calories in than calories out kind of thing.
In regards to fat gain, our body can just as easily build fat out of too much carbohydrate as too much fat or too much protein. A calorie is a calorie in this regard. Now, as far as how much calorie is in each gram of food - that is totally dependent on whether it is a protein, carbohydrate or fat.
Protein and carbohydrates = 4 calories per gram
Fats = 9 calories per gram.
So this means if you are eating the same gram amount of something that is totally fat you are eating more than twice the calories of something that is totally carbohydrate.
As long as your total calories per day don't exceed what you need you will not gain weight. We can easily lower the portions of other things we eat in order to allow for the extra calories from our supplements.
The idea of NBE is not just getting fatter (I keep having to remind myself of this every time I want to chow down on a greasy burger) -Rather our cunning plans revolve around getting our bodies to put the fat in the boob portion instead of the booty portion.
If, however, you are born with a lot of estrogen receptors in your 'pear-sterior' then welcome to my world. NBE gave me larger boobs, no doubt, but it also gave me a couple of cup size increases in the rear. I am still looking to train those cells to migrate upward (I am currently recruiting some nasty little fat-moving cells with whips to drive those fluffy fat cells up north this spring - a wild west fat drive... yeehaw).
waxingmoon
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: Root Beer
March 18 2008, 11:10 PM
HAHAHA [at the last line].
Wow, yeah because I don't need more weight in that area.
What are you doing to make the fat go towards the boobs?
CHRIST! After reading all this. I am definitely going to start major working out and eating ONLY boob foods, so really healthy.
I do NOT want to get any wider. So I HOPE, maybe this will have the fat NOT go to my waist down area.
So, since you are pear-shaped waxingmoon... I am taking vitex to even out my hormones... what herb for NBE do you personally think worked best for you in this case?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
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Re: Root Beer
March 19 2008, 12:56 AM
Fighting the pear has been a full time job for me. I work out a lot and I concentrate on exercises for the butt - This does not serve to remove the fat from that area but it does make it much nicer to look at. The only way I have ever found to lose body fat is to reduce calories slightly, increase cardio workouts slightly -and the hardest for my busy life -eat 6 small meals a day. I have not done this since beginning NBE because (wait for it, the rationalization as to why she has not kept control of her body fat.. it's coming) I was afraid my boobs would exit if I lost any fat (now there, isn't that a great excuse for being lazy... lol)
As far as my NBE routine - it has been about progesterone, massage, and protein. The progesterone started as progesterone cream to control my estrogen dominance (I have to revert back to it every so often when my symptoms get out of control - I take about a 2 -3 month break from it every 9 months) - I began taking vitex in October of 2006 and have kept it up with a month or two break since then.
The protein has always been important since I work to build muscle - I keep protein levels about 100 -150 grams per day. I also use Vitamin C to help with collagen production.
Every time I tried to use estrogenic herbs or galactogouges it has been miserable for me... and don't get me started about maca (lousy butt fat inducing radish... if I could get my hands around your radishy little neck...)
But this is just what has worked for me - others have done well on different routines. That is what makes NBE so frustrating for many. I believe that almost anyone can grow but they must not give up when something they try fails. They should just review, research and try again. (and patience, always patience...)
waxingmoon
mica
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Re: Root Beer
March 25 2008, 7:27 AM
I like a root beer but I can't summon up the optimism that it will help my breasts get bigger.