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Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006 at 2:58 AM Surf (Login Surf.)
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There seems to be a lot of questions relating to progesterone deficiency, in particular wild yam. I've been doing some reading about it and have seen information that appears to be conflicting.
Some say use prior to NBE. Some say to use in the luteal phase (day 15-28 of your cycle). Some say to use once every 4 days. Some say to apply directly to the breasts. Some say don't apply to fatty areas of the body.
UGH!
Does anyone have accurate information on when, how much, and why wild yam should be used?!?!?!?
Thanks so much!
Gigando growing boobie blessings to all of the boobie goddesses everwhere!
Anonymous
(Login Magickwomun)
Wild Yam
December 1 2006, 4:08 AM
Hi Surf,
I've noticed the same thing...If you haven't found this already, here's a link that will probably confuse you even more! Your photos are inspiring btw, most impressive results!
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/wildyam.html
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 1:14 PM
I got reply from Dr wong from http://www.totalityofbeing.com/ArticleCollections.htm
Howdy Cher:
The reason for that opinion is that absorption is delayed when the progesterone is applied to areas of subcutaneous fat. Other researchers though say that they prefer those sites for application as it creates a pool of progesterone available for a longer time to the body. I prefer application to the sexual organs for the physiological reason that there are more hormone receptor sites there than anywhere else on the bodies surface and absorption and utilization is there fore faster and more complete.
Be well and God bless,
Dr. Wong
diana
(Login Diana1978)
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wow
December 1 2006, 2:46 PM
that was great that he answered. kind of makes sense. good luck.
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
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Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 3:10 PM
Hi Surf,
Yes, I too have done a lot of reading about progesterone and a lot of it is fairly conflicting.
An important point # The bit where you say - Some say to use in the luteal phase (day 15-28 of your cycle).
Yes, that may be the case for perimenopausal or menopausal women........because they are no longer producing progesterone, or if they are, the levels are very low.
On a healthy younger female, during day 15-28, her own natural progesterone levels rise. This is why she gets luteal swelling. Breasts are ususually always larger in this phase. On the onset of a period, (day 1), the prog levels drop to zero again and so the swelling goes away.
Personal thoughts on the matter would be to take it between (day 1 and 14 of the cycle), if one isn't perimenopausal. But am not sure of the outcome on the body for elevating these levels througout the month. I can only imagine that it would cause permanent swollen breasts. But as the body is supposed to rise and fall with regards to hormone levels, this may be a dangerous thing in the long term. Then again, it may not. It is said that progesterone is the main hormone responsible for breast growth........not estrogen, as many are led to believe.
I also feel that many women embarking on NBE will notice what she thinks is growth in the first month.........and so on. But when embarking upon NBE, one becomes very aware of ones own body and is prone to measure on a regular basis. So yes, even without the use of herbs, one will see growth each month, but this is caused by elevated prog levels between day 15-28.
I'm not too keen to try out prog cream as I've read that it can collect within the tissues, especially in the fatty areas. That idea kinda freaks me out a bit.
Happy healthy growing!!
Love
=^_^= x
faerycat
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Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 3:13 PM
Ooops........PS
Dr Wong just may be wrong.
Just because he is labelled a doctor, doesn't make him right. I'd be very wary about putting that stuff on my sexual bits......EEK!
Take care!!
x
December 1 2006 at 2:58 AM Surf (Login Surf.)
EVE MEMBERS
There seems to be a lot of questions relating to progesterone deficiency, in particular wild yam. I've been doing some reading about it and have seen information that appears to be conflicting.
Some say use prior to NBE. Some say to use in the luteal phase (day 15-28 of your cycle). Some say to use once every 4 days. Some say to apply directly to the breasts. Some say don't apply to fatty areas of the body.
UGH!
Does anyone have accurate information on when, how much, and why wild yam should be used?!?!?!?
Thanks so much!
Gigando growing boobie blessings to all of the boobie goddesses everwhere!
Anonymous
(Login Magickwomun)
Wild Yam
December 1 2006, 4:08 AM
Hi Surf,
I've noticed the same thing...If you haven't found this already, here's a link that will probably confuse you even more! Your photos are inspiring btw, most impressive results!
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/wildyam.html
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 1:14 PM
I got reply from Dr wong from http://www.totalityofbeing.com/ArticleCollections.htm
Howdy Cher:
The reason for that opinion is that absorption is delayed when the progesterone is applied to areas of subcutaneous fat. Other researchers though say that they prefer those sites for application as it creates a pool of progesterone available for a longer time to the body. I prefer application to the sexual organs for the physiological reason that there are more hormone receptor sites there than anywhere else on the bodies surface and absorption and utilization is there fore faster and more complete.
Be well and God bless,
Dr. Wong
diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER
wow
December 1 2006, 2:46 PM
that was great that he answered. kind of makes sense. good luck.
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 3:10 PM
Hi Surf,
Yes, I too have done a lot of reading about progesterone and a lot of it is fairly conflicting.
An important point # The bit where you say - Some say to use in the luteal phase (day 15-28 of your cycle).
Yes, that may be the case for perimenopausal or menopausal women........because they are no longer producing progesterone, or if they are, the levels are very low.
On a healthy younger female, during day 15-28, her own natural progesterone levels rise. This is why she gets luteal swelling. Breasts are ususually always larger in this phase. On the onset of a period, (day 1), the prog levels drop to zero again and so the swelling goes away.
Personal thoughts on the matter would be to take it between (day 1 and 14 of the cycle), if one isn't perimenopausal. But am not sure of the outcome on the body for elevating these levels througout the month. I can only imagine that it would cause permanent swollen breasts. But as the body is supposed to rise and fall with regards to hormone levels, this may be a dangerous thing in the long term. Then again, it may not. It is said that progesterone is the main hormone responsible for breast growth........not estrogen, as many are led to believe.
I also feel that many women embarking on NBE will notice what she thinks is growth in the first month.........and so on. But when embarking upon NBE, one becomes very aware of ones own body and is prone to measure on a regular basis. So yes, even without the use of herbs, one will see growth each month, but this is caused by elevated prog levels between day 15-28.
I'm not too keen to try out prog cream as I've read that it can collect within the tissues, especially in the fatty areas. That idea kinda freaks me out a bit.
Happy healthy growing!!
Love
=^_^= x
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Help with progesterone or wild yam
December 1 2006, 3:13 PM
Ooops........PS
Dr Wong just may be wrong.
Just because he is labelled a doctor, doesn't make him right. I'd be very wary about putting that stuff on my sexual bits......EEK!
Take care!!
x