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Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
May 28 2009 at 9:44 PM Jessie (no login)
Hello All,
I'm just looking into NBE. Based on Dr. Lee's symptoms list I'm normal estrogen and low progesterone and high androgens. Any suggestions on an approach to NBE for someone in my position?
In terms of my physical stats. I tend to gain weight on my hips and thighs. On top I'm a 34A. 21 years old, no kids, non-smoker.
Thanks!
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
May 31 2009, 10:57 AM
Hi,
i think you should raise your progesterone and lower your androgen.
Vitex herb and extract will help you increase progesterone.
Natural Progesterone may help you as well. but make sure you do careful research before using it. I think Waxingmoon program is very helpful for you as she is progesterone deficient.
I ask Vortex health company. They advised me to use Nettle root to lower my androgen.
Hope that this may help.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
May 31 2009, 6:27 PM
If you are low progesterone then you would be having cycle related problems and possibly some thick/long peach fuzz on your face and possibly upperneck.
Are you on BC? This would skew the online tests.
High androgens are typically seen with acne and high libido. Hair loss would be a sign of DHT which is more of a potent androgen as opposed to just having high testosterone.
Do any of the above conditions apply?
For someone your age, assuming all is normal and ignoring the online questionaires, take a look at EVE's program. Her name on the board is EveM.
This message has been edited by Wahaika on May 31, 2009 6:28 PM
Lisa121
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Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 1 2009, 11:24 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
the advice above is probably worth a try, the vitex takes about three months to work though and I went through some strange phases with it for the first 5-6 months of taking it, so you would have to commit for at least 6-9 months of taking it. Don't get freaked out by some strange side effects, and you may lose some boobage to start off with as it reduces water retention and swelling. Oh, and my bottomised weight gain stopped with taking the vitex.
As for the Nettle root, that is great in reducing testosterone. Depending on how high your levels are one to two 500mg nettle root capsules a day, as you get it from vortexhealth, should help. I have very high in testosterone levels and I take two a day, which has helped lower my androgens, at least I believe so. I got blood tests done for it before and after taking it for about two months and they went down a whole notch. My doctor said levels do vary within cycles but with me all the elevated ones had went down quite a lot so I don't really believe it was due to that, plus I can feel the change when I persistently take the nettle versus to slacking on it.
If you only have slightly elevated levels, which means not much extra black hair growth in your face or acne all over your body, like said above, or hair growth up to your belly button, around your nipples etc., then you are probably fine with just the 500 mg dose.
I would always start with lower dosages for two to three months and see how I go and I have went well with that when I followed my own advice.
Good luck!
Jessie
(no login)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 5:53 AM
Hi Wahaika,
I'm responding to the question you asked me.
In terms of low progesterone, the only cycle related problem is that I have moderate to severe cramps when I am on my period. Also, I do have peach fuzz on my upper neck area. I don't think it's too thick though.
As far as the androgens go, I have significantly more hair than most girls. However, I'm Indian and my dad is a hairy, hairy man so it may just be genetic. My hair has begun to thin since I was about 18 or so. Again, my mom's hair is thinning and she has large breasts, so it may be genetic as well.
In your opinion, would you recommend trying Eve's program or a different approach.
Thanks in advance,
Jessie
Jessie
(no login)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 6:01 AM
Forgot to mention, no acne, but oily skin and a fairly normal libido.
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 11:29 AM
Hi Lisa,
your answer has encouraged me a lot.
I have started taking Vitex and Flax seed for about 3 days.
I will order the Nettle root soon.
I also want to add fenugreek as well because it can increase my prolactin (Vitex decreases prolactin which is very bad in NBE).
Have a nice day
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 3 2009, 2:49 AM
Yep, I still think that Eve's program would be good for you.
May 28 2009 at 9:44 PM Jessie (no login)
Hello All,
I'm just looking into NBE. Based on Dr. Lee's symptoms list I'm normal estrogen and low progesterone and high androgens. Any suggestions on an approach to NBE for someone in my position?
In terms of my physical stats. I tend to gain weight on my hips and thighs. On top I'm a 34A. 21 years old, no kids, non-smoker.
Thanks!
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
May 31 2009, 10:57 AM
Hi,
i think you should raise your progesterone and lower your androgen.
Vitex herb and extract will help you increase progesterone.
Natural Progesterone may help you as well. but make sure you do careful research before using it. I think Waxingmoon program is very helpful for you as she is progesterone deficient.
I ask Vortex health company. They advised me to use Nettle root to lower my androgen.
Hope that this may help.
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
May 31 2009, 6:27 PM
If you are low progesterone then you would be having cycle related problems and possibly some thick/long peach fuzz on your face and possibly upperneck.
Are you on BC? This would skew the online tests.
High androgens are typically seen with acne and high libido. Hair loss would be a sign of DHT which is more of a potent androgen as opposed to just having high testosterone.
Do any of the above conditions apply?
For someone your age, assuming all is normal and ignoring the online questionaires, take a look at EVE's program. Her name on the board is EveM.
This message has been edited by Wahaika on May 31, 2009 6:28 PM
Lisa121
(no login)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 1 2009, 11:24 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
the advice above is probably worth a try, the vitex takes about three months to work though and I went through some strange phases with it for the first 5-6 months of taking it, so you would have to commit for at least 6-9 months of taking it. Don't get freaked out by some strange side effects, and you may lose some boobage to start off with as it reduces water retention and swelling. Oh, and my bottomised weight gain stopped with taking the vitex.
As for the Nettle root, that is great in reducing testosterone. Depending on how high your levels are one to two 500mg nettle root capsules a day, as you get it from vortexhealth, should help. I have very high in testosterone levels and I take two a day, which has helped lower my androgens, at least I believe so. I got blood tests done for it before and after taking it for about two months and they went down a whole notch. My doctor said levels do vary within cycles but with me all the elevated ones had went down quite a lot so I don't really believe it was due to that, plus I can feel the change when I persistently take the nettle versus to slacking on it.
If you only have slightly elevated levels, which means not much extra black hair growth in your face or acne all over your body, like said above, or hair growth up to your belly button, around your nipples etc., then you are probably fine with just the 500 mg dose.
I would always start with lower dosages for two to three months and see how I go and I have went well with that when I followed my own advice.
Good luck!
Jessie
(no login)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 5:53 AM
Hi Wahaika,
I'm responding to the question you asked me.
In terms of low progesterone, the only cycle related problem is that I have moderate to severe cramps when I am on my period. Also, I do have peach fuzz on my upper neck area. I don't think it's too thick though.
As far as the androgens go, I have significantly more hair than most girls. However, I'm Indian and my dad is a hairy, hairy man so it may just be genetic. My hair has begun to thin since I was about 18 or so. Again, my mom's hair is thinning and she has large breasts, so it may be genetic as well.
In your opinion, would you recommend trying Eve's program or a different approach.
Thanks in advance,
Jessie
Jessie
(no login)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 6:01 AM
Forgot to mention, no acne, but oily skin and a fairly normal libido.
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy)
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 2 2009, 11:29 AM
Hi Lisa,
your answer has encouraged me a lot.
I have started taking Vitex and Flax seed for about 3 days.
I will order the Nettle root soon.
I also want to add fenugreek as well because it can increase my prolactin (Vitex decreases prolactin which is very bad in NBE).
Have a nice day
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Suggestions for low progesterone and high androgens...
June 3 2009, 2:49 AM
Yep, I still think that Eve's program would be good for you.