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red clover/ wild yam
February 11 2007 at 5:04 PM Anonymous (no login)
would red clover be an appropriate substitue for wild yam????
Thanks for any help x
Snowflake
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 11:47 AM
Red Clover is far stronger than wild yam. Fennel would be closer to strength of wild yam than Red clover.
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 3:07 PM
Diosgenin, the phytochemical in Wild Yam, is not found in other herbs. (At least that's what found in Google.) There's some controversy over whether it binds to estrogen receptors or progesterone receptors.
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 6:08 PM
I thoguht wild yam is progesteronic and red clover estrogenic and anti-ptogesteronic. *googles*
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 6:33 PM
PubMed informes me that red clover up regulates the progesterone receptor. This can mean that it either increases its sinthesis or makes it more sensitive. Therefore we could say that red clover is progesteronic.
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 7:38 PM
I have posted a few articles on herbs. The following is from one of those articles:
"Wild yam (Dioscoria villosa) increased progesterone receptor binding in 20-30% of women, but appeared to suppress progesterone. Researchers concluded that diosgenin, the yam compound used to synthesize progesterone, “did not convert to progesterone in the body."
What this implies is that while wild yam does increase progesterone receptor activity - it does it in only about 1/4 of the women studied and it actually suppresses progesterone. In our bodies, there is no conversion of wild yam to progesterone. That can only happen in the lab.
Wild yam would be more likely to be a mild estrogenic herb in its actions.
By the way, there is some great info on the Info on Herbs section of this forum. Many people have done some research and posted it there. Quite a few of the questions I have seen on the main forum had some answers within that section. (pass it on, wink, wink...)
waxingmoon
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Upregulation of receptors
February 12 2007, 7:46 PM
Our estrogen and progesterone receptors can be upregulated by herbs, but this does not necessarily mean there is an estrogenic or progesteronic effect of those herbs.
For example: Estrogen causes upregulation of progesterone receptors. Progesterone causes upregulation of estrogen receptors. (it's almost as if there was some PLAN that these hormones balance each other, ha, ha)
The true effect of an herb is by what hormone receptor it binds to. Red clover is an estrogenic herb. It binds to estrogen receptors. Yes, its estrogenic effect upregulates the progesterone receptors but it has no progesteronic action itself. Its action will mimic estrogen in the body. Wild yam is less estrogenic than red clover, but it still binds to estrogen receptors and it will mimic estrogen in the body.
waxingmoon
Trudie
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 13 2007, 1:34 AM
Red clover is a good herb, but definitely not like wild yam.
February 11 2007 at 5:04 PM Anonymous (no login)
would red clover be an appropriate substitue for wild yam????
Thanks for any help x
Snowflake
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 11:47 AM
Red Clover is far stronger than wild yam. Fennel would be closer to strength of wild yam than Red clover.
Buffeee
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 3:07 PM
Diosgenin, the phytochemical in Wild Yam, is not found in other herbs. (At least that's what found in Google.) There's some controversy over whether it binds to estrogen receptors or progesterone receptors.
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 6:08 PM
I thoguht wild yam is progesteronic and red clover estrogenic and anti-ptogesteronic. *googles*
Moon
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 6:33 PM
PubMed informes me that red clover up regulates the progesterone receptor. This can mean that it either increases its sinthesis or makes it more sensitive. Therefore we could say that red clover is progesteronic.
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 12 2007, 7:38 PM
I have posted a few articles on herbs. The following is from one of those articles:
"Wild yam (Dioscoria villosa) increased progesterone receptor binding in 20-30% of women, but appeared to suppress progesterone. Researchers concluded that diosgenin, the yam compound used to synthesize progesterone, “did not convert to progesterone in the body."
What this implies is that while wild yam does increase progesterone receptor activity - it does it in only about 1/4 of the women studied and it actually suppresses progesterone. In our bodies, there is no conversion of wild yam to progesterone. That can only happen in the lab.
Wild yam would be more likely to be a mild estrogenic herb in its actions.
By the way, there is some great info on the Info on Herbs section of this forum. Many people have done some research and posted it there. Quite a few of the questions I have seen on the main forum had some answers within that section. (pass it on, wink, wink...)
waxingmoon
waxingmoon
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Upregulation of receptors
February 12 2007, 7:46 PM
Our estrogen and progesterone receptors can be upregulated by herbs, but this does not necessarily mean there is an estrogenic or progesteronic effect of those herbs.
For example: Estrogen causes upregulation of progesterone receptors. Progesterone causes upregulation of estrogen receptors. (it's almost as if there was some PLAN that these hormones balance each other, ha, ha)
The true effect of an herb is by what hormone receptor it binds to. Red clover is an estrogenic herb. It binds to estrogen receptors. Yes, its estrogenic effect upregulates the progesterone receptors but it has no progesteronic action itself. Its action will mimic estrogen in the body. Wild yam is less estrogenic than red clover, but it still binds to estrogen receptors and it will mimic estrogen in the body.
waxingmoon
Trudie
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Re: red clover/ wild yam
February 13 2007, 1:34 AM
Red clover is a good herb, but definitely not like wild yam.