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Need help adding red clover to my program
February 6 2007 at 10:28 PM Lisa (Login lilmama40)
I may add red clover into my program. Here are my total daily doses at the moment in my program:
1600mg vitex, 2440mg fennugreek, 960mg fenel, 1800mg saw palmetto, 1215mg wild yam.
In your opinions, would adding red clover in be a good idea, and if so how much? Anyone's advice or experience would be appreciated! :-)
lil dunny
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 4:24 AM
red clover has a fairly mild (but nicely purifying) effecct so i'm not sure if you'll see much difference with the already substantial quantities of herbs you're taking... my own experience anyway.
Teresina
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 6:56 AM
I don't know much about red clover myself and was just going to ask a similar question.
If you don't mind me tacking on to your thread, could those that have used it comment on its reported ability to add weight? Did this happen to anyone? I'm on the fence because of that side effect. Thanks.
Moon
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 12:38 PM
Did you consider the experience of many other vitex users who foudn that it worked the best alone or with small ammounts of other herbs?
Snowflake
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Red Clover,,
February 7 2007, 12:52 PM
Is one of your strongest photo-estrogenes. I would save it for the end of your program,, after about 5-6months,, for a jump starter,, if your going to be taking all the other stuff. It is one of the very strongest of NBE herbs. There is nothing mild about it. It can cause breaking through bleeding, headaches, low blood sugars,,, To add it on near the end of your program in a very low dose,, 4oomgs a day at the most to start,, would be my best suggestion. For external use you could give it a go in massage,, As far as weight gain that is one of the side effects of all progestrons or photo-estrogens. It is a great NBE herb, but also one to be used with caution!!
Surf
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 2:30 PM
I agree with Moon - it's strong. I tried to use it once and immediately started bleeding. I stopped taking it and the bleeding stopped.
Lisa
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 5:27 PM
Thanks so much for the information ladies! Gosh, sometimes the individual herb route is so difficult to figure out! Sometimes I think I'm already taking too much. But then sometimes I look at the programs of those who have grown well on individual herbs and I see that some were on few things and some were on many things. It's such a toss-up! Now I'm also questioning the vitex thing and I'm not sure what to do. For as many who have grown well on it alone, the same amount have had the opposite experience. I've had good results from the beginning and it's only been a month, but now things are moving more slowly. So I think I'm "panicking" and trying to figure out what to do to keep the growth moving as quickly as it did initially. Maybe that's wrong of me. I mean, bodily tissue growing can't possibly be rushed, it's going to grow at it's pace just like it did back in puberty. Patience, patience, patience! I know. But then there's the fear that I wasn't perhaps doing the best I could have done with my program months down the line when I look back on this and I don't want to have done something wrong that stalled my growth. I'm even considering switching to PM pills and cream simply because it would be a more mapped out and simple program with me not having to down handfuls of herb pills three times a day. I think I'm having moments of doubt in the program I've chosen. Geez, I've gone 40 years without boobs the size I want them, what's the big deal about perhaps taking the next year to be patient while they grow, right? Easier said than done I guess. Keep on with the advice, please! Thank you ladies! :-)
Ann5
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 5:29 PM
I've been taking Red Clover since the begining of my program. I only take 1,150mg a day. I might up the dose after a month to see what effect I get. Like someone stated you could use the extract in your massage. I haven't had any bad side effects from the clover. After looking at the many single herbs routines, I've noticed some had headaches from it.......but some didn't. You could add it in after awhile but start with a low dose.
Snowflake
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 6:23 PM
Just try and keep it simple at first,, so you know how you react to herbs. Sp, fenugreek, fennel, epo or borage would be an excellent start. Don't get into the more complicated herbs until you have tried these. This will also give you time to research red clover, hops, nettle and such. And remember to give vitex a fair shot it is really suppose to be taken by itself. Ok maybe an oil or something. But KarenJohnsonUK took only vitex.
Lisa
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:01 PM
I forgot to add that I take 1000mg flax oil a day too. Gosh, I think the bottle of red clover I picked up yesterday was 500mg capsules, sounds like it would be too much. I'll definitely re-think my program. I'm wondering if I should drop vitex, like you've said it should work well alone. Maybe when I get to the maintenance part of my program I'd try just vitex alone and massages. My boobs feel heavy today, not sure what that's all about, lol. Just when I'm doubting myself! Geez, I've never been on such close terms with my boobs in all of my 40 years, hahaha! :-)
Snowflake
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:36 PM
The red clover dose at 5oomgs is probably fine,,, but do take with your night dose of herbs,, cause it is one of the stronger NBE herbs,, you want it in your system strong at night when growth hormone in body is at its pak during first 90 minutes of sleep.
Lisa
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Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:42 PM
Will do, thank you snowflake! :-)
Snowflake
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Sorry,,,
February 7 2007, 7:56 PM
I meant peak,,, so the red clover is strong in your system when growth hormone is at its peak in the body,,, first 90 minutes or so of sleep. There has been conflicting info here lately about flax seed oil,,, I know wonderup has recommended it to their customers as one of the best oils for internal,, but very knowledgeable member of the BeBoard has stated here that it can mess will hormones not be blocked or such,, anyway drop the flax and go with EPO or borage. Same doses. 1000mgs daily,,, good luck to you,, please keep us updated on you progress. I will bump that info I am referring too.
February 6 2007 at 10:28 PM Lisa (Login lilmama40)
I may add red clover into my program. Here are my total daily doses at the moment in my program:
1600mg vitex, 2440mg fennugreek, 960mg fenel, 1800mg saw palmetto, 1215mg wild yam.
In your opinions, would adding red clover in be a good idea, and if so how much? Anyone's advice or experience would be appreciated! :-)
lil dunny
(Login lil_dunny)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 4:24 AM
red clover has a fairly mild (but nicely purifying) effecct so i'm not sure if you'll see much difference with the already substantial quantities of herbs you're taking... my own experience anyway.
Teresina
(Login Teresina)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 6:56 AM
I don't know much about red clover myself and was just going to ask a similar question.
If you don't mind me tacking on to your thread, could those that have used it comment on its reported ability to add weight? Did this happen to anyone? I'm on the fence because of that side effect. Thanks. Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 12:38 PM
Did you consider the experience of many other vitex users who foudn that it worked the best alone or with small ammounts of other herbs?
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Red Clover,,
February 7 2007, 12:52 PM
Is one of your strongest photo-estrogenes. I would save it for the end of your program,, after about 5-6months,, for a jump starter,, if your going to be taking all the other stuff. It is one of the very strongest of NBE herbs. There is nothing mild about it. It can cause breaking through bleeding, headaches, low blood sugars,,, To add it on near the end of your program in a very low dose,, 4oomgs a day at the most to start,, would be my best suggestion. For external use you could give it a go in massage,, As far as weight gain that is one of the side effects of all progestrons or photo-estrogens. It is a great NBE herb, but also one to be used with caution!!
Surf
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EVE MEMBERS
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 2:30 PM
I agree with Moon - it's strong. I tried to use it once and immediately started bleeding. I stopped taking it and the bleeding stopped.
Lisa
(Login lilmama40)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 5:27 PM
Thanks so much for the information ladies! Gosh, sometimes the individual herb route is so difficult to figure out! Sometimes I think I'm already taking too much. But then sometimes I look at the programs of those who have grown well on individual herbs and I see that some were on few things and some were on many things. It's such a toss-up! Now I'm also questioning the vitex thing and I'm not sure what to do. For as many who have grown well on it alone, the same amount have had the opposite experience. I've had good results from the beginning and it's only been a month, but now things are moving more slowly. So I think I'm "panicking" and trying to figure out what to do to keep the growth moving as quickly as it did initially. Maybe that's wrong of me. I mean, bodily tissue growing can't possibly be rushed, it's going to grow at it's pace just like it did back in puberty. Patience, patience, patience! I know. But then there's the fear that I wasn't perhaps doing the best I could have done with my program months down the line when I look back on this and I don't want to have done something wrong that stalled my growth. I'm even considering switching to PM pills and cream simply because it would be a more mapped out and simple program with me not having to down handfuls of herb pills three times a day. I think I'm having moments of doubt in the program I've chosen. Geez, I've gone 40 years without boobs the size I want them, what's the big deal about perhaps taking the next year to be patient while they grow, right? Easier said than done I guess. Keep on with the advice, please! Thank you ladies! :-)
Ann5
(no login)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 5:29 PM
I've been taking Red Clover since the begining of my program. I only take 1,150mg a day. I might up the dose after a month to see what effect I get. Like someone stated you could use the extract in your massage. I haven't had any bad side effects from the clover. After looking at the many single herbs routines, I've noticed some had headaches from it.......but some didn't. You could add it in after awhile but start with a low dose.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 6:23 PM
Just try and keep it simple at first,, so you know how you react to herbs. Sp, fenugreek, fennel, epo or borage would be an excellent start. Don't get into the more complicated herbs until you have tried these. This will also give you time to research red clover, hops, nettle and such. And remember to give vitex a fair shot it is really suppose to be taken by itself. Ok maybe an oil or something. But KarenJohnsonUK took only vitex.
Lisa
(Login lilmama40)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:01 PM
I forgot to add that I take 1000mg flax oil a day too. Gosh, I think the bottle of red clover I picked up yesterday was 500mg capsules, sounds like it would be too much. I'll definitely re-think my program. I'm wondering if I should drop vitex, like you've said it should work well alone. Maybe when I get to the maintenance part of my program I'd try just vitex alone and massages. My boobs feel heavy today, not sure what that's all about, lol. Just when I'm doubting myself! Geez, I've never been on such close terms with my boobs in all of my 40 years, hahaha! :-)
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:36 PM
The red clover dose at 5oomgs is probably fine,,, but do take with your night dose of herbs,, cause it is one of the stronger NBE herbs,, you want it in your system strong at night when growth hormone in body is at its pak during first 90 minutes of sleep.
Lisa
(Login lilmama40)
Re: Need help adding red clover to my program
February 7 2007, 7:42 PM
Will do, thank you snowflake! :-)
Snowflake
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EVE MEMBERS
Sorry,,,
February 7 2007, 7:56 PM
I meant peak,,, so the red clover is strong in your system when growth hormone is at its peak in the body,,, first 90 minutes or so of sleep. There has been conflicting info here lately about flax seed oil,,, I know wonderup has recommended it to their customers as one of the best oils for internal,, but very knowledgeable member of the BeBoard has stated here that it can mess will hormones not be blocked or such,, anyway drop the flax and go with EPO or borage. Same doses. 1000mgs daily,,, good luck to you,, please keep us updated on you progress. I will bump that info I am referring too.