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estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007 at 8:49 AM cherasia (Login cherasia)
Hi, I'm still abit confuse with the difference betw. excess estrogen and estrogen dominance. Can any one explain? what is Cortisol deficiency? How can i help myself to balance my hormones?
If one have excess estrogen or estrogen dominance, they shouldn't be taking phtoestrogen herb isn't it??
I take progesterone cream. It says to help balance hormones. How long must i take to balance hormones. I have been taking for 3 months.
I don't have enough sleep cause by worry and anxiety. sometime low blood suger because i sometimes black out. and sometimes taking some sweets helps me.
my stomach bloat sometimes due to air in it. maybe never eat enough. i have heavy bleeding when period comes but now better after applying progesterone cream.
I will have very low mood sometimes. maybe abit of anxiety depression. my memory are not as good as last time due to medication of anxiety disorder.
I don't know where to put myself in, excess estrogen or estrogen dominance?? I believe i also have cortisol deficiency due to not enough sleep, tired body.
what should i do to correct and balance it??
oh ya i normally will have late period but after using progesterone cream . it has improve
faerycat
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 9:56 AM
Have a looky here -
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/progesterone.cfm
And the other side of the coin -
http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.asp
The more I study NBE, the more I feel that taking in extra estrogens is wrong and bad for us long term.
YES - Estrogen stimulates tissue growth and lays down fat cells, but this is usually from the waist down. Some girls will be lucky and gain some fat cells in their breasts.......but at what cost if, like they say, excess estrogen can cause breast cancer, tumours and heaven knows what else.
YES - Estrogen will cause breast tenderness. Could this side-effect actually be the tingles and pains we girls crave, mistaking it for breast growth?
Another thing too is that most girls, pre-NBE never do daily or frequent measures of their breasts. As soon as we start doing pills, we measure lots to see how things are progressing. Now, regardless of NBE or not, most womens breasts swell from day 14 to day 28 of their cycle. So naturally we assume we are seeing results and we are happy to continue. But the swelling that happens from day 14 to 28 is due to increased progesterone, which kicks in on the lead up to menstruation. Then day 1 comes around, the progesterone has done its job in the cycle......bleeding starts, progesterone levels drop way down, then our natural estrogen kicks back in, building to a peak at day 14.
I may be starting to sound anti-NBE lately, but the more I study, the more cautious I'm becoming. The whole process is very much a case of roundabouts and swings.
Swelling will usually happen 14 days out of 28. Estrogen does stimulate tissue growth, but not always where you want it. If it happens in the breasts then hey, it's a bonus right. This is what we want..........or is it?
What if in the long run we do develop cancers etc. Does vanity come before health?
After 12 months plus of NBE, lots of trials and lots of study, for now, I feel safer trying to balance my own hormones out with vitex, than adding any more estrogens and progesterones.
Love
=^_^= x
This message has been edited by faerycat on Mar 30, 2007 9:57 AM
Anonymous
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 10:55 AM
Faerycat with vitex don't you think that you are messing your hormones too?Is vitex completely safe and non-cancerous?I am thinking about trying it.I guess I don't have any hormonal imbalance from the online tests.I only have irregular periods,period pains ,anxiety and sometimes insomnia.
Anonymous
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 1:02 PM
Irregular periods/missing periods can cause estrogen dominance - your body doesn't break down the lining to cause a period due to lack of progesterone... yet estrogen builds up in the same way it normally would - so become estrogen dominant.
I read this on Dr. lee's page.
faerycat
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 1:35 PM
Hi,
Yes, there is every chance I am messing with my hormones, but unlike many of the other herbs, vitex doesn't add or overload your system with phytoestrogens or progesterone. It works on the pituitary gland to help the body balance itself.
I've done the fenugreek and the fennel and the PM and blah-di-blah and went into estrogen overload. Apart from turning me into a zombie, I gained a lardy lower ass and thighs. Have been pounding out at the gym for hours and hours a week, walking, being extra mega careful about my diet. Have even cut out the red wine *BIG SIGH* and no matter what I am doing, I can't shift these few extra horrible estrogenic pounds :-{
Hormones appear to be something that hasn't really been fully studied and that no one really understands them. Dr Lee thinks he does, but if you read the other side of the coin, other so-called experts dispute some of what he says.
x
cherasia
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 4:17 PM
then wat should i do to increase breast size..my band only 25+5=30" and cup only 26 = 30aaaaaa so flat....since increase estrogen is not so good somemore chances are increase fat on the bottom down. What other choice i can take then?
cherasia
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 4:18 PM
then wat should i do to increase breast size..my band only 25+5=30" and cup only 26 = 30aaaaaa so flat....since increase estrogen is not so good somemore chances are increase fat on the bottom down. What other choice i can take then?
faerycat
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 5:22 PM
cherasia,
There is every chance that estrogen will increase your breast size. It has worked for me and many, many of the girls here. But there is a chance that it will increase fatty tissue in other areas too.
As for its safety, I cannot say for sure. Not sure if anyone really can. It would be nice to think this will not cause any long term damage.......and who knows? It's just the more I study the subject, the more wary I become.
Other ways to increase size would be massage and eating booby friendly foods.
Good luck!
March 30 2007 at 8:49 AM cherasia (Login cherasia)
Hi, I'm still abit confuse with the difference betw. excess estrogen and estrogen dominance. Can any one explain? what is Cortisol deficiency? How can i help myself to balance my hormones?
If one have excess estrogen or estrogen dominance, they shouldn't be taking phtoestrogen herb isn't it??
I take progesterone cream. It says to help balance hormones. How long must i take to balance hormones. I have been taking for 3 months.
I don't have enough sleep cause by worry and anxiety. sometime low blood suger because i sometimes black out. and sometimes taking some sweets helps me.
my stomach bloat sometimes due to air in it. maybe never eat enough. i have heavy bleeding when period comes but now better after applying progesterone cream.
I will have very low mood sometimes. maybe abit of anxiety depression. my memory are not as good as last time due to medication of anxiety disorder.
I don't know where to put myself in, excess estrogen or estrogen dominance?? I believe i also have cortisol deficiency due to not enough sleep, tired body.
what should i do to correct and balance it??
oh ya i normally will have late period but after using progesterone cream . it has improve
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 9:56 AM
Have a looky here -
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/progesterone.cfm
And the other side of the coin -
http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.asp
The more I study NBE, the more I feel that taking in extra estrogens is wrong and bad for us long term.
YES - Estrogen stimulates tissue growth and lays down fat cells, but this is usually from the waist down. Some girls will be lucky and gain some fat cells in their breasts.......but at what cost if, like they say, excess estrogen can cause breast cancer, tumours and heaven knows what else.
YES - Estrogen will cause breast tenderness. Could this side-effect actually be the tingles and pains we girls crave, mistaking it for breast growth?
Another thing too is that most girls, pre-NBE never do daily or frequent measures of their breasts. As soon as we start doing pills, we measure lots to see how things are progressing. Now, regardless of NBE or not, most womens breasts swell from day 14 to day 28 of their cycle. So naturally we assume we are seeing results and we are happy to continue. But the swelling that happens from day 14 to 28 is due to increased progesterone, which kicks in on the lead up to menstruation. Then day 1 comes around, the progesterone has done its job in the cycle......bleeding starts, progesterone levels drop way down, then our natural estrogen kicks back in, building to a peak at day 14.
I may be starting to sound anti-NBE lately, but the more I study, the more cautious I'm becoming. The whole process is very much a case of roundabouts and swings.
Swelling will usually happen 14 days out of 28. Estrogen does stimulate tissue growth, but not always where you want it. If it happens in the breasts then hey, it's a bonus right. This is what we want..........or is it?
What if in the long run we do develop cancers etc. Does vanity come before health?
After 12 months plus of NBE, lots of trials and lots of study, for now, I feel safer trying to balance my own hormones out with vitex, than adding any more estrogens and progesterones.
Love
=^_^= x
This message has been edited by faerycat on Mar 30, 2007 9:57 AM
Anonymous
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Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 10:55 AM
Faerycat with vitex don't you think that you are messing your hormones too?Is vitex completely safe and non-cancerous?I am thinking about trying it.I guess I don't have any hormonal imbalance from the online tests.I only have irregular periods,period pains ,anxiety and sometimes insomnia.
Anonymous
(no login)
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 1:02 PM
Irregular periods/missing periods can cause estrogen dominance - your body doesn't break down the lining to cause a period due to lack of progesterone... yet estrogen builds up in the same way it normally would - so become estrogen dominant.
I read this on Dr. lee's page.
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 1:35 PM
Hi,
Yes, there is every chance I am messing with my hormones, but unlike many of the other herbs, vitex doesn't add or overload your system with phytoestrogens or progesterone. It works on the pituitary gland to help the body balance itself.
I've done the fenugreek and the fennel and the PM and blah-di-blah and went into estrogen overload. Apart from turning me into a zombie, I gained a lardy lower ass and thighs. Have been pounding out at the gym for hours and hours a week, walking, being extra mega careful about my diet. Have even cut out the red wine *BIG SIGH* and no matter what I am doing, I can't shift these few extra horrible estrogenic pounds :-{
Hormones appear to be something that hasn't really been fully studied and that no one really understands them. Dr Lee thinks he does, but if you read the other side of the coin, other so-called experts dispute some of what he says.
x
cherasia
(no login)
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 4:17 PM
then wat should i do to increase breast size..my band only 25+5=30" and cup only 26 = 30aaaaaa so flat....since increase estrogen is not so good somemore chances are increase fat on the bottom down. What other choice i can take then?
cherasia
(Login cherasia)
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 4:18 PM
then wat should i do to increase breast size..my band only 25+5=30" and cup only 26 = 30aaaaaa so flat....since increase estrogen is not so good somemore chances are increase fat on the bottom down. What other choice i can take then?
faerycat
(Login faerycat)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: estrogen and estrogen dominance?
March 30 2007, 5:22 PM
cherasia,
There is every chance that estrogen will increase your breast size. It has worked for me and many, many of the girls here. But there is a chance that it will increase fatty tissue in other areas too.
As for its safety, I cannot say for sure. Not sure if anyone really can. It would be nice to think this will not cause any long term damage.......and who knows? It's just the more I study the subject, the more wary I become.
Other ways to increase size would be massage and eating booby friendly foods.
Good luck!