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help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007 at 2:46 AM melosh (Login melosh)
HI girls.
I have been using witex for about 6 weeks now and the tape measure says I lost an INCH!!! I have implants as you know and now the breasts that were mine are almost gone and I`m left with implants.(That means my breasts can`t get any smaller than this) Please tel me why this happened. My only guess is vitex lowers estrogen levels and that could be the reason why I lost my breasts. But when I take hebs that increase estrogen levels like fenugreek I get acne. FEARYCAT helllp!!!! I thought I was going to grow with vitex. Nothing I take works on me. I used to take individual herbs for months and I had absolutaly no growth whatsoever. What`s wrong with me.
I have been struggling with this for 8 months now. Maybe I should just forget about this and go get bigger implants. Please help!!!!
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 9:10 AM
Hi Melosh :-)
Sorry to hear about your inch loss but 6 weeks is not a long time for vitex to fully work its magic. You really have to give it at least 3 months.
As vitex is supposed to balance out hormones, it is possible that as the balancing is beginning to take place, then you may lose any built-up body fluid/fluid retention as part of the process, hence the shrinking. Once your body starts to re-adjust.......and this can take a while, then you will start to see growth. Try to be patient.....lol, I know this is hard ;-P
Often, when a girl starts a new programme, she 'reports' of growth within weeks and more often that not, the so-called growth disappears as soon as her period starts, meaning that what she thought to be growth was probably just fluid retention. It happens. Don't be disheartened.....you will grow, it's just a matter of finding what is right for you.
Oh and melosh.........please consider carefully before increasing the implants. I don't want to scare or alarm you in any way, but you may want to take a look at this site -
http://maxpages.com/implants
I am really concerned at the length of time you have had yours in. They don't last forever. They go gooey and start to break down. Saline implants may be considered by some to be safer but the shells are still made from silicon. If you can stomach it and read over that site you will see why I am worried sweetheart. I do care..........
Good luck
Love
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Buffeee
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 2:20 PM
Melosh, you're the 3rd person on this site who has experienced shrinkage with vitex. Since this is relatively new to most routines, I think we should keep this in mind. Of course, it could be a combination of vitex and other herbs that is doing it and not the vitex itself.
Ick! Those implant pics are horrible. I'm glad I saw them, though... Thank you!
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 3:32 PM
Hi,
From what I've read, I think it simply raises progesterone to be dominant - in some cases it can raise estrogen. It doesn't necessarily lower estrogen. But obviously - something we don't know about is going on since there's 3 others experienced it.
Who are the other 2 who've experienced shrinkage?
Are you on any other herbs by the way?
lil'e is < a lil'a
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 7 2007, 5:21 PM
Do we have to be so hard on ourselves. You have a smaller chest that does not meant that anything is wrong with you. the way I see it breasts are really for feeding babies and since we use formula and bottles so frequently now I speculate that breasts will eventually evolve away, so hypothetically you are just more evolved... That is what I like to think anyway, it helps me feel better. Another thing that I read stated that fashionable breast size goes with trend and that it was actually considered more attractive in the 1920's to have a smaller chest. Ah the roaring twenties.. maybe instead of putting ourselves through all this pain and emotional blah we could work to bring the trend back to the twenties... Maybe we could stand up against pornography which I believe is often the corrupter of our male counterparts to have such unrealistic and unsatisfiable expectations. Just a thought. But don't be so hard on yourself for gross expectations you feel put on you by media and other bull crap places.
I am obviously feeling selfconscious myself or I wouldn't be trying to research this online... But I am finding myself feeling a little disturbed by the expectations and would like to see people feel happier with their God given selfs more then trying to live up to the corrupted standards that suggest a women is of no worth if she is not sporting a huge rack or willing to "give it out" freely...
Don't devalue yourself you are a fantastic person, not merely a small chest but I do so understand the feeling.
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 7 2007, 7:06 PM
Hi,
A couple of things about your implants, if you don't mind me asking.
What kind are they?
Are they over or under the muscle?
Did you have a mastopexy (breast lift) at the same time?
Do you know if they manipulated your gland at all?
Just curious if these things could be hindering your progress. Sometimes implants can affect existing breast tissue or the gland can be altered if certain techniques were used, though that's generally more common of lifts.
Myjourney
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vitex: shrinking
March 7 2007, 7:47 PM
I took vitex for a long time, for my endometriosis, and I definately didn't get larger breasts. Now that I have embarked on NBE, I noticed a bit of shrinkage when I started the vitex.
Buffee...I think you are right...is there some kind of scientific reason that one person would grow on it and one would shrink? Does it have to do with whether we are estrogen or progesterone dominant, or whether we have "normal" levels of hormones???
melosh
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:10 AM
Fearycat
You are such a sweet person. Thank you for being concerned about my implants and thanks for the link. This is how I look at it; there have been kids who died from taking children`s tylenol but that over the counter medicine has been used and is being used by millions of kids in the US for a loong long time with no problems. There are a lot of things out there that cause adverse reactions in some people and no reactions in others. Those who speak up about implants are the ones who got sick from them but not everyone gets sick from them.My breasts look similar to Eve`s breasts, just a bit smaller and just a bit loose because I`m not 26 like Eve is and I went through a pregnancy and breastfed my son for a little while. The weight gain during my pregnancy and breastfeeding caused my rock hard breasts to get just a little loose and just a bit lower on my body. But they still look good. I just wish they were a little bigger.
Feary, I did not repot any growth before. I did not grow from any of the herbs I used or have been using. I LOST AN INCH FROM THE BREASTS I ALREADY HAD BEFORE I STARTED NBE. And that`s what`s killing me.And I don`t know if I should continue with vitex or not. I`m confused.
PS. I know you were not feeling good for some time in the past and I asked how you were doing in one of my posts but I guess you didn`t read it. I hope you`re feeling better now.
Buffee; who is the other 2 who shrunk with vitex. I want to know some details about how this happened and at what point it happened. I don`t think having implants is the reason I`m not growing cause I still have my own breast tissue and it can be affected by hormones just like other women. My breasts get larger in the second part of my cycle and shrink when my period starts just like others. I just can`t figure out the right herbs to use. I followed Surf`s program for 2 months but had to stop it cause I got acne and one of those herbs caused weight gain. Maybe if I could stick to te program I would grow but I started to break out like crazy and I already have an acne problem that I have been dealing with for 23 years.
I`ll post a message to see if I can share some info with the other ladies who shrunk from vitex. I have to figure this out ASAP.
Ladies thank for all the posts. I don`t know what I would do without you all. God bless.
Teresine
I got my implants when I was 20 years old. I`m 34 now so they are 14 years old. They are filled with saline solution and they are under the muscle. I was even able to breastfeed with them.(I asked about this before I got them and the doctor said I could breatfeed with no problems). I did not get a breast lift. I was an A cup before surgery now I`m a full B or a loose C cup.
lil`e is; thank for all the nice things you wrote, you made me feel better, thank you...
melosh
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:45 AM
Oh I forgot to add that I started to take nettle root about a week ago hoping to lower my testostrone levels so I don`t get acne anymore. So far no news about my acne. I`m still getting them. Does nettle root affect vitex? I don`t know. One works with estrogen and progestrone the other works on testostrone so your guess is as good as mine. I also take silica for hair growth and vitamin b5 for my oily skin but I don`t think they effect vitex. Honestly I don`t know what to do. I already spent almost 2 months on vitex. If I stop now I`ll never know if it was going to work or not. And if I stop vitex what program do I follow since estrogenic herbs give me acne. One good thing is I can`t shrink much more than this cause I`m almost left with no breast tissue that belongs to me. It`s almost all implants now so vitex cannot cause anymore shirinkage in my breasts.
I`m thinking about giving vitex another month or two. If I have no growth by the 4th month that probably means it doesn`t work on me. Then I`ll think about what to do. Lots of hugs and kisses to all of you...
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 9:41 AM
Hi melosh :-)
Yes, I KNOW you didn't report any growth on NBE but was merely pointing out that gains and losses can work both ways in the beginning. Some girls report what they think is growth, then they have a period and lose it, as it was more likely to have been water retention that they lost. Whilst other girls report shrinkage at the start, which possibly means that the herbs initially cause some bodies to give up their fluid retention.......before any growth starts to take place. Hope I'm making sense.
Yes too about the implants. It is the ones who get sick who speak out.....but - from all the research I've done on implants (and boy would I love to have them), the information states that they don't last forever and need to be replaced every 10 years or so. This is my concern for you dear melosh. I don't know what kind of after care service the plastic surgeons give. I don't know if they call all implantee's (lol, is that a real word?), back on a regular basis for check-ups or if they just leave it up to the implantee to decide for herself. It must be so difficult to keep track of every woman who has implants and to call her back to check on them. Not sure that there even is a test to ensure that they are still intact and ok. But either way, sadly they do not last.
I don't think nettle root will affect vitex. I am taking both just now with no problems. I'd say, stick with what you are taking for a few more months at least and see what happens. Keep doing daily massages. Think positive!!
My apologies too if I failed to respond to a previous post. This board can move so fast at times that it can be hard to keep up with every post. Anyways, yes thank you, I am feeling much better now :-)
Wishing you all you desire
Love
=^_^= x
Bufeee
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 1:45 PM
I believe the two who experienced shrinkage with vitex (added to other herbs) were faerycat and henri. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, how are you ladies doing now and are you still using vitex?
I'm not bashing vitex here, just trying to make sense of how it works since it's "new."
annie2
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 1:56 PM
I would like to hear how vitex works as well, planning on taking in ,coz i'm estrogen dominant lackin progesterone, also for PMS. I'm a bit scared to try it .
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:18 PM
Hi
I read that lil dunny shrank with vitex -not sure how loong she took it for or whether in a combination with something else or not...
xx
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 4:58 PM
I think i shrunk with vitex too...
Wishful
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very interesting...
March 8 2007, 5:38 PM
i've been kinda down the last couple days b/c i feel like i have shrunk a lot. my bras used to fit really nicely but now i am swimming in them. i'm on wu and vitex. i wonder if the vitex is the culprit for my shrinkage? i do love the effect it has on my periods tho, so much nicer.
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 6:01 PM
Yes I lost an inch this month. Not sure if its the Vitex, or the break I took, or the fact that I started herbs from break and then stopped them again..............I am just finished cycle three of Vitex, going into cycle 4. I thought if it was the Vitex then it would have happened sooner, but I do know its a slow acting herb so maybe it is. I am going to keep trying it though and just tweek my program. If in another three months I am still at the same point, then I will figure its the Vitex.
lil dunny
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 6:47 PM
yes, i have shrunk with vitex - attempted it for a short period of time but was quickly discouraged. i'm going to peddle licorice as the new wonder herb - it (appears to) increase progesterone and lowers estrogen a bit, and it _thickens_ blood, as opposed to the many other herbs that thin blood and thusly make breast growth more difficult. best taken for the last 2 weeks of your cycle.
Myjourney
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kicking the vitex
March 9 2007, 12:26 AM
I have decided to kick the vitex out of my program. Today I didn't take any, and I am definately back to feeling tingles. Yeaahhh!
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 12:39 AM
Ok, I have to ask... who is Karen Johnson (or is it Johnston)? Is she someone who normally visits the forum? Did we only hear from her during that 1 thread that she posted about vitex? Is she the only one that can say that they have grown due to vitex alone (taking no other herbs at the time that could contribute to the growth)? Ugh! So many of us jumped on the vitex bandwagon, I'm getting concerned. I certainly would not want my growth or ANYONE'S grow to diminish in anyway due to jumping onto something before we checked it out completely. I guess I feel I need some reasurance right now!!!
Donna
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RE: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 12:52 AM
I started taking vitex about a month after starting WU and took vitex for nearly two months (stopped towards end of third month on WU). During the third month on WU I didn't feel like there was any growth at all and the tape measure agreed with me. I dropped Vitex about a month ago and this month (4th month)I have had some growth again. Guess it's like everything else, what works for some, doesn't work for others.
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 3:43 AM
faerycat - I don't know how you find the information that you do, but geez I'm sure thankful that you do!!! I was just reading through the Karen's original thread and found all that research you posted.
I did a quick read through and it sounds like vitex increases progestrone and decreases prolactin. For NBE, we want prolactin to increase (one of the reasons we massage).
I guess my concern is can vitex really make you shrink (please, I mean no offense to anyone who believes it's the cause of your shrinkage!!!!)? Or can those that have shrunk, shrunk for a different reason? Since so many are reporting shrinkage, I ask these questions.
Moonkissed
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 4:08 AM
I can assure people that Karen isn't the only one who has grown on vitex alone. I estimate that I have grown almost an inch. I had been using vitex for a while, even before Karen posted her thread (you can even read a couple of my messages on there).
Now, I am sure that many doubt Karen, and although no one has openly stated so, a few may think she lied about her results. I suspect that she simply became interested in the effect that vitex had on her breasts, and decided to share her story with other women, just sort of "passing by", but not staying on as a regular. She never tried to push any specific product on us, and vitex was a herb used in NBE even prior to her testimony. It would be more suspicious if she came on and claimed she grew on- oh, let's say- bilberries.
I think part of the problem is exactly what Surf mentioned: people are jumping on the bandwagon without doing the proper research, and some mistakenly interpreted her testimony as a one-size-fits all thing. If it had not been Karen, but another woman who claimed licorice root gave her back her breasts, the same thing would happen, with a whole bunch of women suddenly taking licorice root.
I should also mention that on another breast enlargement board, there is a thread from a man who claims his wife also grew some on vitex. In her case, she had been taking it to help increase fertility, and not for NBE.
Surf: Vitex only decreases prolactin only if there is too much of it, usually in cases of hyperprolactinaemia.
This message has been edited by Moonkissed on Mar 9, 2007 4:55 AM
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:49 AM
Congratulations on your vitex growth Moonkissed.......go girl!!!
Can I ask how long you've been taking it?
I am coming to the end of my 5th month and YES, I too have grown on it. I haven't gained 3 cups sizes or anything, but have grown.
Moonkissed, can I ask if you experienced any shrinking in the initial months of using vitex? I know I did, but it stabilised itself......and like I've already said a billion times, I feel that as hormones are slowly being balanced, it can lead to the loss of any fluid retention.
1.Perhaps the girls who are concerned about shrinkage have not given vitex long enough to work for them?
2. Of the girls who have shrunk, have you noticed a slimmer body with less or little bloating?
3. Of the girls who have shrunk, how many of you have continued with vitex past the 3-4 month mark?
Just some thoughts.
x
Anonymous
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@ everyone who shrunk on vitex
March 9 2007, 10:52 AM
Did you have estrogen dominance or progesterone defficiency imbalance before you took it? Did any of you take vitex and hadn't had any major imbalance??? Thanks!
Henri
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Faery
March 9 2007, 12:54 PM
Hey Faery it was really interesting reading your questions, because I have been thinking alot the past few days on why I shrunk. Really stressing over what I could have done!!! but anyway I have answers to two of your questions from my experience:
2. Of the girls who have shrunk, have you noticed a slimmer body with less or little bloating?
This answer is YES. I mistakenly thought that the slimming down of my butt and thighs was due to the exercise I had started, but haven't had any loss since then. When I lost the inch off my boobs I also lost an inch off each thigh and butt! So I am thinking now that the vitex just caused me to lose some water retention I was carrying, apparently, all over
3. Of the girls who have shrunk, how many of you have continued with vitex past the 3-4 month mark?
I am going into my fourth month of Vitex. I just had my third cycle on it, and will be, by Monday starting my fourth bottle of vitex. I will be continueing to use the Vitex even if it means no boob growth, because my cycles are becoming I would say 80% less painful!!!
Moon - I believe I was estrogen dominant, progesterone deficient, but I am kinda basing that view off of personal opinion and some of the different questionarres that had been posted awhile back, as well as some of the symptoms that have been mentioned from various people here.
Oh, my initial reason for taking the Vitex was to help with pms but keeping fingers crossed on breast growth. Karen Johnson originally posted that it wasn't until the 4th/5th month before she started to notice any growth, as well as the lady from the other board if I remember correctly. But neither mentioned shrinking, however if they weren't expecting growth and weren't measuring then they wouldn't have noticed any initial shrinking either right?
I would also like to note that since losing that initial inch, I haven't lost anything else, and think they are growing/bloating/swelling whatever :-) as my bras are starting to fill up again. Not my B ones, but at least my A's are filled quite nice.
I am not trying to give Vitex a bad rap at all, and will still continue to use it.
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 1:36 PM
I feel a bit better now, but still may need at ask a few more questions (please bear with me). As for my asking about Karen, I do feel she had no hidden objectives when she posted. It would be nice if she were around so that we can ask more questions (here or on beboard).
cheryl
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 2:22 PM
i myself have had growth with vitex, i've been taking it for 2 months, i also take 1000 mg of wild yam a day with it, and i massage with cocoa butter and st. ives collagen creme and have made progress, i think everyone reacts to things differently just like with any other herb, some works and some doesnt
Myjourney
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Questions
March 9 2007, 3:00 PM
1. I have taken vitex for an extended period of time about 2years, not for NBE, for my endometriosis and bad periods. Yes it worked well for that. No, I did not experience any growth at all at that time. I was also taking wild yam at that time.
2. I have not noticed my bloating significantly altered as of yet. Still struggling with it. I have lost ½ of the bloat around my rib measurement, but what I notice in the shrinkage is that my breasts were saggier again, and no growth pains about 4 weeks after adding the vitex to my routine.
3. Well, yes initially I went 2 years, but did not continue it while using NBE past 3-4 month mark. I should say though, I did add some to my massage cream, so I am still going to use that, but not take it internally.
4. I suspect that I am strongly estrogen dominant.
lazyboobies
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 3:58 PM
hi ladies, could anyone help me figure out:
If I've always had very iregular periods, does that mean im progesterone deficient? (im 24)
Myjourney
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imbalance
March 9 2007, 7:56 PM
I am not sure about the hormonal imbalance, someone else maybe could help with that, but if you don't have a lot of body fat (like a dancer) that can cause iregularity...
Ellie
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 8:16 PM
I took vitex a few years ago (not for breast growth reason). I suspect it made my breasts shrink a tiny bit, but not a lot. It certainly didn't make them grow.
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 8:29 PM
Hi Ellie,
Did you take a high dosage of vitex.......around 1800mg per day and did you take it every day for at least 4 months?
x
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:09 PM
Faery I am not taking that much!!! I am only taking about 800 mg. a day. Wonder if that makes a difference? Could it be we need a higher dose? or do you think the higher dose just gets it in your system more?
I might add an extra pill in tomorrow for a few days and then add another one so totally I am taking 1600 of vitex.........that seems like a lot!!
Edit: I actually think I'll add an extra pill in tonight making my daily intake 1200 mg for a while and then see how it goes.
This message has been edited by henriettahippo on Mar 9, 2007 9:18 PM
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:18 PM
Henri, if you read the 'Agnus Castus gave me back my boobs' post, Karen was taking 4 x 400mg a day and I've been taking 1600mg per day too. It's the recommended dosage on the bottle.
See how you go and ramp up slowly but trust in your intuition. It may well be that 800mg a day is all you need.
Fingers are X'd 4 U
x
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:32 PM
Thanks faery, i was actually just re-reading her post, someone was kind enough to bump it up! I'll just add the extra pill for a few weeks and see how it goes. I remember last time I tried adding one in the morning I got jittery, so maybe if I split it like everybody else then it will help ~ Its easier for me to take everything at once otherwise I tend to forget to take it.......
I noticed today that even while doing a cleanse and break I am still getting really strong aches in my boobs ~ have been for a while..........haven't had herbs in a few days now and am wondering if the Vitex should just be by itself for a while.........and not to start the single herb program for a month or two........I am so torn I don't know what to do and I just bought my herbs!!!!
Myjourney
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large doses
March 9 2007, 9:37 PM
I took large doses every day for two years without breast growth.
Moonkissed
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 11:20 PM
Thank you Faerycat, and congratulations on your growth.
I started taking vitex back in early October, but with a combination of other herbs. I experienced some fullness, but not what I would label growth (maybe more like plumping?). After some thinking, I cut out the other herbs I was taking. While I did not experience shrinking during my initial stages of taking only vitex, I didn't see any growth on it, either, until after another two months or so.
I am unsure why some women experience shrinking. It may indeed be due to water retention, which would mean that most of the growth was just temporary swelling.
March 6 2007 at 2:46 AM melosh (Login melosh)
HI girls.
I have been using witex for about 6 weeks now and the tape measure says I lost an INCH!!! I have implants as you know and now the breasts that were mine are almost gone and I`m left with implants.(That means my breasts can`t get any smaller than this) Please tel me why this happened. My only guess is vitex lowers estrogen levels and that could be the reason why I lost my breasts. But when I take hebs that increase estrogen levels like fenugreek I get acne. FEARYCAT helllp!!!! I thought I was going to grow with vitex. Nothing I take works on me. I used to take individual herbs for months and I had absolutaly no growth whatsoever. What`s wrong with me.
I have been struggling with this for 8 months now. Maybe I should just forget about this and go get bigger implants. Please help!!!!
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 9:10 AM
Hi Melosh :-)
Sorry to hear about your inch loss but 6 weeks is not a long time for vitex to fully work its magic. You really have to give it at least 3 months.
As vitex is supposed to balance out hormones, it is possible that as the balancing is beginning to take place, then you may lose any built-up body fluid/fluid retention as part of the process, hence the shrinking. Once your body starts to re-adjust.......and this can take a while, then you will start to see growth. Try to be patient.....lol, I know this is hard ;-P
Often, when a girl starts a new programme, she 'reports' of growth within weeks and more often that not, the so-called growth disappears as soon as her period starts, meaning that what she thought to be growth was probably just fluid retention. It happens. Don't be disheartened.....you will grow, it's just a matter of finding what is right for you.
Oh and melosh.........please consider carefully before increasing the implants. I don't want to scare or alarm you in any way, but you may want to take a look at this site -
http://maxpages.com/implants
I am really concerned at the length of time you have had yours in. They don't last forever. They go gooey and start to break down. Saline implants may be considered by some to be safer but the shells are still made from silicon. If you can stomach it and read over that site you will see why I am worried sweetheart. I do care..........
Good luck
Love
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Buffeee
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 2:20 PM
Melosh, you're the 3rd person on this site who has experienced shrinkage with vitex. Since this is relatively new to most routines, I think we should keep this in mind. Of course, it could be a combination of vitex and other herbs that is doing it and not the vitex itself.
Ick! Those implant pics are horrible. I'm glad I saw them, though... Thank you!
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 6 2007, 3:32 PM
Hi,
From what I've read, I think it simply raises progesterone to be dominant - in some cases it can raise estrogen. It doesn't necessarily lower estrogen. But obviously - something we don't know about is going on since there's 3 others experienced it.
Who are the other 2 who've experienced shrinkage?
Are you on any other herbs by the way?
lil'e is < a lil'a
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 7 2007, 5:21 PM
Do we have to be so hard on ourselves. You have a smaller chest that does not meant that anything is wrong with you. the way I see it breasts are really for feeding babies and since we use formula and bottles so frequently now I speculate that breasts will eventually evolve away, so hypothetically you are just more evolved... That is what I like to think anyway, it helps me feel better. Another thing that I read stated that fashionable breast size goes with trend and that it was actually considered more attractive in the 1920's to have a smaller chest. Ah the roaring twenties.. maybe instead of putting ourselves through all this pain and emotional blah we could work to bring the trend back to the twenties... Maybe we could stand up against pornography which I believe is often the corrupter of our male counterparts to have such unrealistic and unsatisfiable expectations. Just a thought. But don't be so hard on yourself for gross expectations you feel put on you by media and other bull crap places.
I am obviously feeling selfconscious myself or I wouldn't be trying to research this online... But I am finding myself feeling a little disturbed by the expectations and would like to see people feel happier with their God given selfs more then trying to live up to the corrupted standards that suggest a women is of no worth if she is not sporting a huge rack or willing to "give it out" freely...
Don't devalue yourself you are a fantastic person, not merely a small chest but I do so understand the feeling.
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 7 2007, 7:06 PM
Hi,
A couple of things about your implants, if you don't mind me asking.
What kind are they?
Are they over or under the muscle?
Did you have a mastopexy (breast lift) at the same time?
Do you know if they manipulated your gland at all?
Just curious if these things could be hindering your progress. Sometimes implants can affect existing breast tissue or the gland can be altered if certain techniques were used, though that's generally more common of lifts.
Myjourney
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vitex: shrinking
March 7 2007, 7:47 PM
I took vitex for a long time, for my endometriosis, and I definately didn't get larger breasts. Now that I have embarked on NBE, I noticed a bit of shrinkage when I started the vitex.
Buffee...I think you are right...is there some kind of scientific reason that one person would grow on it and one would shrink? Does it have to do with whether we are estrogen or progesterone dominant, or whether we have "normal" levels of hormones???
melosh
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:10 AM
Fearycat
You are such a sweet person. Thank you for being concerned about my implants and thanks for the link. This is how I look at it; there have been kids who died from taking children`s tylenol but that over the counter medicine has been used and is being used by millions of kids in the US for a loong long time with no problems. There are a lot of things out there that cause adverse reactions in some people and no reactions in others. Those who speak up about implants are the ones who got sick from them but not everyone gets sick from them.My breasts look similar to Eve`s breasts, just a bit smaller and just a bit loose because I`m not 26 like Eve is and I went through a pregnancy and breastfed my son for a little while. The weight gain during my pregnancy and breastfeeding caused my rock hard breasts to get just a little loose and just a bit lower on my body. But they still look good. I just wish they were a little bigger.
Feary, I did not repot any growth before. I did not grow from any of the herbs I used or have been using. I LOST AN INCH FROM THE BREASTS I ALREADY HAD BEFORE I STARTED NBE. And that`s what`s killing me.And I don`t know if I should continue with vitex or not. I`m confused.
PS. I know you were not feeling good for some time in the past and I asked how you were doing in one of my posts but I guess you didn`t read it. I hope you`re feeling better now.
Buffee; who is the other 2 who shrunk with vitex. I want to know some details about how this happened and at what point it happened. I don`t think having implants is the reason I`m not growing cause I still have my own breast tissue and it can be affected by hormones just like other women. My breasts get larger in the second part of my cycle and shrink when my period starts just like others. I just can`t figure out the right herbs to use. I followed Surf`s program for 2 months but had to stop it cause I got acne and one of those herbs caused weight gain. Maybe if I could stick to te program I would grow but I started to break out like crazy and I already have an acne problem that I have been dealing with for 23 years.
I`ll post a message to see if I can share some info with the other ladies who shrunk from vitex. I have to figure this out ASAP.
Ladies thank for all the posts. I don`t know what I would do without you all. God bless.
Teresine
I got my implants when I was 20 years old. I`m 34 now so they are 14 years old. They are filled with saline solution and they are under the muscle. I was even able to breastfeed with them.(I asked about this before I got them and the doctor said I could breatfeed with no problems). I did not get a breast lift. I was an A cup before surgery now I`m a full B or a loose C cup.
lil`e is; thank for all the nice things you wrote, you made me feel better, thank you...
melosh
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:45 AM
Oh I forgot to add that I started to take nettle root about a week ago hoping to lower my testostrone levels so I don`t get acne anymore. So far no news about my acne. I`m still getting them. Does nettle root affect vitex? I don`t know. One works with estrogen and progestrone the other works on testostrone so your guess is as good as mine. I also take silica for hair growth and vitamin b5 for my oily skin but I don`t think they effect vitex. Honestly I don`t know what to do. I already spent almost 2 months on vitex. If I stop now I`ll never know if it was going to work or not. And if I stop vitex what program do I follow since estrogenic herbs give me acne. One good thing is I can`t shrink much more than this cause I`m almost left with no breast tissue that belongs to me. It`s almost all implants now so vitex cannot cause anymore shirinkage in my breasts.
I`m thinking about giving vitex another month or two. If I have no growth by the 4th month that probably means it doesn`t work on me. Then I`ll think about what to do. Lots of hugs and kisses to all of you...
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 9:41 AM
Hi melosh :-)
Yes, I KNOW you didn't report any growth on NBE but was merely pointing out that gains and losses can work both ways in the beginning. Some girls report what they think is growth, then they have a period and lose it, as it was more likely to have been water retention that they lost. Whilst other girls report shrinkage at the start, which possibly means that the herbs initially cause some bodies to give up their fluid retention.......before any growth starts to take place. Hope I'm making sense.
Yes too about the implants. It is the ones who get sick who speak out.....but - from all the research I've done on implants (and boy would I love to have them), the information states that they don't last forever and need to be replaced every 10 years or so. This is my concern for you dear melosh. I don't know what kind of after care service the plastic surgeons give. I don't know if they call all implantee's (lol, is that a real word?), back on a regular basis for check-ups or if they just leave it up to the implantee to decide for herself. It must be so difficult to keep track of every woman who has implants and to call her back to check on them. Not sure that there even is a test to ensure that they are still intact and ok. But either way, sadly they do not last.
I don't think nettle root will affect vitex. I am taking both just now with no problems. I'd say, stick with what you are taking for a few more months at least and see what happens. Keep doing daily massages. Think positive!!
My apologies too if I failed to respond to a previous post. This board can move so fast at times that it can be hard to keep up with every post. Anyways, yes thank you, I am feeling much better now :-)
Wishing you all you desire
Love
=^_^= x
Bufeee
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 1:45 PM
I believe the two who experienced shrinkage with vitex (added to other herbs) were faerycat and henri. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, how are you ladies doing now and are you still using vitex?
I'm not bashing vitex here, just trying to make sense of how it works since it's "new."
annie2
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 1:56 PM
I would like to hear how vitex works as well, planning on taking in ,coz i'm estrogen dominant lackin progesterone, also for PMS. I'm a bit scared to try it .
Anonymous
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 3:18 PM
Hi
I read that lil dunny shrank with vitex -not sure how loong she took it for or whether in a combination with something else or not...
xx
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 4:58 PM
I think i shrunk with vitex too...
Wishful
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very interesting...
March 8 2007, 5:38 PM
i've been kinda down the last couple days b/c i feel like i have shrunk a lot. my bras used to fit really nicely but now i am swimming in them. i'm on wu and vitex. i wonder if the vitex is the culprit for my shrinkage? i do love the effect it has on my periods tho, so much nicer.
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 6:01 PM
Yes I lost an inch this month. Not sure if its the Vitex, or the break I took, or the fact that I started herbs from break and then stopped them again..............I am just finished cycle three of Vitex, going into cycle 4. I thought if it was the Vitex then it would have happened sooner, but I do know its a slow acting herb so maybe it is. I am going to keep trying it though and just tweek my program. If in another three months I am still at the same point, then I will figure its the Vitex.
lil dunny
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 8 2007, 6:47 PM
yes, i have shrunk with vitex - attempted it for a short period of time but was quickly discouraged. i'm going to peddle licorice as the new wonder herb - it (appears to) increase progesterone and lowers estrogen a bit, and it _thickens_ blood, as opposed to the many other herbs that thin blood and thusly make breast growth more difficult. best taken for the last 2 weeks of your cycle.
Myjourney
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kicking the vitex
March 9 2007, 12:26 AM
I have decided to kick the vitex out of my program. Today I didn't take any, and I am definately back to feeling tingles. Yeaahhh!
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 12:39 AM
Ok, I have to ask... who is Karen Johnson (or is it Johnston)? Is she someone who normally visits the forum? Did we only hear from her during that 1 thread that she posted about vitex? Is she the only one that can say that they have grown due to vitex alone (taking no other herbs at the time that could contribute to the growth)? Ugh! So many of us jumped on the vitex bandwagon, I'm getting concerned. I certainly would not want my growth or ANYONE'S grow to diminish in anyway due to jumping onto something before we checked it out completely. I guess I feel I need some reasurance right now!!!
Donna
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RE: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 12:52 AM
I started taking vitex about a month after starting WU and took vitex for nearly two months (stopped towards end of third month on WU). During the third month on WU I didn't feel like there was any growth at all and the tape measure agreed with me. I dropped Vitex about a month ago and this month (4th month)I have had some growth again. Guess it's like everything else, what works for some, doesn't work for others.
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 3:43 AM
faerycat - I don't know how you find the information that you do, but geez I'm sure thankful that you do!!! I was just reading through the Karen's original thread and found all that research you posted.
I did a quick read through and it sounds like vitex increases progestrone and decreases prolactin. For NBE, we want prolactin to increase (one of the reasons we massage).
I guess my concern is can vitex really make you shrink (please, I mean no offense to anyone who believes it's the cause of your shrinkage!!!!)? Or can those that have shrunk, shrunk for a different reason? Since so many are reporting shrinkage, I ask these questions.
Moonkissed
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 4:08 AM
I can assure people that Karen isn't the only one who has grown on vitex alone. I estimate that I have grown almost an inch. I had been using vitex for a while, even before Karen posted her thread (you can even read a couple of my messages on there).
Now, I am sure that many doubt Karen, and although no one has openly stated so, a few may think she lied about her results. I suspect that she simply became interested in the effect that vitex had on her breasts, and decided to share her story with other women, just sort of "passing by", but not staying on as a regular. She never tried to push any specific product on us, and vitex was a herb used in NBE even prior to her testimony. It would be more suspicious if she came on and claimed she grew on- oh, let's say- bilberries.
I think part of the problem is exactly what Surf mentioned: people are jumping on the bandwagon without doing the proper research, and some mistakenly interpreted her testimony as a one-size-fits all thing. If it had not been Karen, but another woman who claimed licorice root gave her back her breasts, the same thing would happen, with a whole bunch of women suddenly taking licorice root.I should also mention that on another breast enlargement board, there is a thread from a man who claims his wife also grew some on vitex. In her case, she had been taking it to help increase fertility, and not for NBE.
Surf: Vitex only decreases prolactin only if there is too much of it, usually in cases of hyperprolactinaemia.
This message has been edited by Moonkissed on Mar 9, 2007 4:55 AM
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:49 AM
Congratulations on your vitex growth Moonkissed.......go girl!!!
Can I ask how long you've been taking it?
I am coming to the end of my 5th month and YES, I too have grown on it. I haven't gained 3 cups sizes or anything, but have grown.
Moonkissed, can I ask if you experienced any shrinking in the initial months of using vitex? I know I did, but it stabilised itself......and like I've already said a billion times, I feel that as hormones are slowly being balanced, it can lead to the loss of any fluid retention.
1.Perhaps the girls who are concerned about shrinkage have not given vitex long enough to work for them?
2. Of the girls who have shrunk, have you noticed a slimmer body with less or little bloating?
3. Of the girls who have shrunk, how many of you have continued with vitex past the 3-4 month mark?
Just some thoughts.
x
Anonymous
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@ everyone who shrunk on vitex
March 9 2007, 10:52 AM
Did you have estrogen dominance or progesterone defficiency imbalance before you took it? Did any of you take vitex and hadn't had any major imbalance??? Thanks!
Henri
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Faery
March 9 2007, 12:54 PM
Hey Faery it was really interesting reading your questions, because I have been thinking alot the past few days on why I shrunk. Really stressing over what I could have done!!! but anyway I have answers to two of your questions from my experience:
2. Of the girls who have shrunk, have you noticed a slimmer body with less or little bloating?
This answer is YES. I mistakenly thought that the slimming down of my butt and thighs was due to the exercise I had started, but haven't had any loss since then. When I lost the inch off my boobs I also lost an inch off each thigh and butt! So I am thinking now that the vitex just caused me to lose some water retention I was carrying, apparently, all over
3. Of the girls who have shrunk, how many of you have continued with vitex past the 3-4 month mark?
I am going into my fourth month of Vitex. I just had my third cycle on it, and will be, by Monday starting my fourth bottle of vitex. I will be continueing to use the Vitex even if it means no boob growth, because my cycles are becoming I would say 80% less painful!!!
Moon - I believe I was estrogen dominant, progesterone deficient, but I am kinda basing that view off of personal opinion and some of the different questionarres that had been posted awhile back, as well as some of the symptoms that have been mentioned from various people here.
Oh, my initial reason for taking the Vitex was to help with pms but keeping fingers crossed on breast growth. Karen Johnson originally posted that it wasn't until the 4th/5th month before she started to notice any growth, as well as the lady from the other board if I remember correctly. But neither mentioned shrinking, however if they weren't expecting growth and weren't measuring then they wouldn't have noticed any initial shrinking either right?
I would also like to note that since losing that initial inch, I haven't lost anything else, and think they are growing/bloating/swelling whatever :-) as my bras are starting to fill up again. Not my B ones, but at least my A's are filled quite nice.
I am not trying to give Vitex a bad rap at all, and will still continue to use it.
Surf
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 1:36 PM
I feel a bit better now, but still may need at ask a few more questions (please bear with me). As for my asking about Karen, I do feel she had no hidden objectives when she posted. It would be nice if she were around so that we can ask more questions (here or on beboard).
cheryl
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 2:22 PM
i myself have had growth with vitex, i've been taking it for 2 months, i also take 1000 mg of wild yam a day with it, and i massage with cocoa butter and st. ives collagen creme and have made progress, i think everyone reacts to things differently just like with any other herb, some works and some doesnt
Myjourney
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Questions
March 9 2007, 3:00 PM
1. I have taken vitex for an extended period of time about 2years, not for NBE, for my endometriosis and bad periods. Yes it worked well for that. No, I did not experience any growth at all at that time. I was also taking wild yam at that time.
2. I have not noticed my bloating significantly altered as of yet. Still struggling with it. I have lost ½ of the bloat around my rib measurement, but what I notice in the shrinkage is that my breasts were saggier again, and no growth pains about 4 weeks after adding the vitex to my routine.
3. Well, yes initially I went 2 years, but did not continue it while using NBE past 3-4 month mark. I should say though, I did add some to my massage cream, so I am still going to use that, but not take it internally.
4. I suspect that I am strongly estrogen dominant.
lazyboobies
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 3:58 PM
hi ladies, could anyone help me figure out:
If I've always had very iregular periods, does that mean im progesterone deficient? (im 24)
Myjourney
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imbalance
March 9 2007, 7:56 PM
I am not sure about the hormonal imbalance, someone else maybe could help with that, but if you don't have a lot of body fat (like a dancer) that can cause iregularity...
Ellie
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 8:16 PM
I took vitex a few years ago (not for breast growth reason). I suspect it made my breasts shrink a tiny bit, but not a lot. It certainly didn't make them grow.
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 8:29 PM
Hi Ellie,
Did you take a high dosage of vitex.......around 1800mg per day and did you take it every day for at least 4 months?
x
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:09 PM
Faery I am not taking that much!!! I am only taking about 800 mg. a day. Wonder if that makes a difference? Could it be we need a higher dose? or do you think the higher dose just gets it in your system more?
I might add an extra pill in tomorrow for a few days and then add another one so totally I am taking 1600 of vitex.........that seems like a lot!!
Edit: I actually think I'll add an extra pill in tonight making my daily intake 1200 mg for a while and then see how it goes.
This message has been edited by henriettahippo on Mar 9, 2007 9:18 PM
faerycat
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:18 PM
Henri, if you read the 'Agnus Castus gave me back my boobs' post, Karen was taking 4 x 400mg a day and I've been taking 1600mg per day too. It's the recommended dosage on the bottle.
See how you go and ramp up slowly but trust in your intuition. It may well be that 800mg a day is all you need.
Fingers are X'd 4 U
x
Henri
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 9:32 PM
Thanks faery, i was actually just re-reading her post, someone was kind enough to bump it up! I'll just add the extra pill for a few weeks and see how it goes. I remember last time I tried adding one in the morning I got jittery, so maybe if I split it like everybody else then it will help ~ Its easier for me to take everything at once otherwise I tend to forget to take it.......
I noticed today that even while doing a cleanse and break I am still getting really strong aches in my boobs ~ have been for a while..........haven't had herbs in a few days now and am wondering if the Vitex should just be by itself for a while.........and not to start the single herb program for a month or two........I am so torn I don't know what to do and I just bought my herbs!!!!
Myjourney
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large doses
March 9 2007, 9:37 PM
I took large doses every day for two years without breast growth.
Moonkissed
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Re: help!!! I shrunk with vitex!!!!!
March 9 2007, 11:20 PM
Thank you Faerycat, and congratulations on your growth.
I started taking vitex back in early October, but with a combination of other herbs. I experienced some fullness, but not what I would label growth (maybe more like plumping?). After some thinking, I cut out the other herbs I was taking. While I did not experience shrinking during my initial stages of taking only vitex, I didn't see any growth on it, either, until after another two months or so.
I am unsure why some women experience shrinking. It may indeed be due to water retention, which would mean that most of the growth was just temporary swelling.