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progesterone cream
June 27 2006 at 1:12 AM drummachic (Login drummachic275)
Just wondering if anyone here is using progesterone cream in their programs? I am taking Ortho tri cyclen lo which contains progestin and estrogen and am worried that using a progesterone cream will interact with the progestin. I have since discovered that all-natural progesterone is much better for you than the synthetic progestin. I read that the progesterone is very good at keeping estrogen levels in check. However, my BCP seem to be working well for me (regular periods, clear skin) so I'm reluctant to switch to a progesterone-only pill. Anyone have any advice as to what I should do and whether or not this will affect my growing? (I will be taking wonderup soon) If anyone does use progesterone cream, any brand recommendations/where to order would be greatly appreciated too! Thanks everyone, I am learning a lot through this forum about myself and my health. Who knew that progesterone levels could affect so much in your life!
js89
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Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 11:49 AM
I have been researching this too. The people at Vortex Health (Wonderup) said that they have no reason to believe that progesterone cream would interfere with the effect/progress of the WU or have any adverse effect. I think I will give the progesterone cream a try.
wsdm
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Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 12:34 PM
I dont think taking progesterone cream with BCP would be safe, in fact I think it could be extremely dangerous. The pill formulations are created for a purpose and to add progesterone cream perhaps may alter the effectivness of the pill and may affect your health adversly. (Also when something is unknown I always assume the worst possible scenario) I think it is an either or situation.
Take a quote from Dr. J Reed MD (http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Womens%20Health/lee21.htm)
"E. When a woman is also on a progestin
When a woman on progestins wishes to switch to natural progesterone, several considerations should be kept in mind. First, both compete for receptor sites. The benefits of natural progesterone will be reduced by the presence of the progestin. Second, plasma progesterone levels will not reach maximum levels until the 2nd or 3rd month of use, as described in B above. Therefore, I usually recommend gradual decrease of progestin dose, such as reducing to ½ of previous dose when starting natural progesterone. During the second month of progesterone, the progestin dose can be reduced further (such as taking the reduced dose every other day). By the third month, the progestin can be safely discontinued.
Extracted from Natural Progesterone: The multiple roles of a remarkable hormone, by Dr John Lee. Published by Jon Carpenter Publishing, Unit 2PH, The Spendlove Centre, Charlbury OX7 3PQ, price £9.99, postage free. The book includes information on obtaining natural progesterone. "
Drummachic if I were you I would either use a progestin or progesterone cream not both, for both safety and effectivness.
However products such as Yasmin and Diane35 are progestin heavy.
Yasmin I think also makes a POP pill
http://www.yasmin.com/scripts/en/5aboutthepill/b_typesofpill/index.php?
The POP, or mini-Pill, contains progestogen only. You take the POP every day of the year, without a break
Yasmins site: http://www.yasmin.com/html/index.html
to really get the full benefit I suggest you visit the
internatioanal (english)
Canadian and US sites
They have different information geared toward each nation.
Diane 35: http://www.diane35.com/html/index.html
As far as progesterone creams go I like this site and they provide alot of great information.
https://secure.progesterone.com/web_store/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=29
read:
http://www.health-science.com/estrogen_dominance.html
and http://www.health-science.com/natural_progesterone.html
Also Progest is a cream that has been around for a long time: https://www.emerita.com/pages/menopause/pro-gest.asp?find%5Fcategory=WEB%5FALL&find%5Fdescription=find%5Fdescription&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=pro%2Dgest
their site is lovely and informative and so supportive of women
I would try Progest or Serenity
an additional webpage to read is HOW TO USE NATURAL PROGESTERONE by DrJohn Reed
http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Womens%20Health/lee21.htm
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 12:55 PM
oops the name is Dr. John R Lee
drummachic
(Login drummachic275)
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 4:16 PM
Thanks guys! I think I will stay on my Ortho tri cyclen Lo for now and finish off this last month, and if I don't have any results I may try getting off it and switching to a progesterone only pill. Just out of curiosity, has anyone here who is on BCP had less of a sex drive? I should probably make another thread for this one. But I have noticed that since I started taking BCP I haven't wanted to mess around with my boyfriend as much. At first I thought it was just because we have been together for so long, but then I realized that I wasn't like this b4 BCP... any input? Just wondering if any of you have experienced the same thing. It may be time to switch my BCP anyway, if it is what's causing this. And I definitely think that the progesterone cream will have to wait for me! Thanks for all the info!
fengshui
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 7:12 AM
thank you, wsdm!!!! that's tons of great info!!
my english is very limited, i didn't seem to find the thing i was wondering about. could anyone help me?
i am wondering if natural progesterone cream can cause water retention in our body? i was on BC pills years ago, i got really bloated!!! took me a long time to get rid of it after i was off the pills. i wonder if progesterone cream will cause that?
i am not on any pills or herbs now, only borage oil and multi-Vitamins. and thinking using wild yam cream for massage.
thanks a million!!!!!!~LOVE~
Anonymous
(Login drummachic275)
I think I found your answer!
June 28 2006, 6:34 PM
I have been researching progesterone a lot lately and even wrote to one of those "online" dr's or whatever, and she actually wrote me back! She gave me a bunch of really helpful links and here's an excerpt from one of them about water retention:
There are many differences between progesterone and the various progestogens, but unfortunately, there are still some doctors who do not realize this. Progesterone lowers the blood pressure, while progestogens raise it; and while progesterone raises the SHBG level, progestogens lower it (see pages 22, 24). Progestogens are not accepted by progesterone receptors. Progesterone can relieve water and sodium retention, whereas some progestogens used in the Pill, such as norethisterone, cause retention of water and sodium. Progesterone is converted by the adrenals into all the various corticosteroids, which is not possible with progestogens. One function of progesterone is to maintain a pregnancy, but the progestogens cannot be used for this purpose. Some progestogens have an estrogenic effect as well, which is useful in the contraceptive field. The disposal of progestogens from the body differs from that of natural progesterone, which is excreted in the urine and feces as pregnanediol.
I will post some of the other info, but it looks like the synthetic drugs in my BCP can really have some negative side effects later in life. It's making me really nervous! I may have to switch sooner than I thought.
Anonymous
(Login drummachic275)
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 6:46 PM
Here is what the online dr. wrote me back... of course she is supporting her progesterone product, but it was actually all the links she sent me that made me worry about the BCP that I'm currently taking:
Many thanks for your email. No the progesterone wont interact with the progestin, in fact many therapists put they patients on progesterone if theyre on the Pill. It counteracts the adverse side affects of the progestins. Which of course leads me to ask do you have to take the Pill?! Have you tried the old fashioned copper T? I know some women cant use IUDs, but they really are the safest in terms of adverse side affects, provided you dont get persuaded to use the Mirena IUD or the NuvaRing, both of which have progestins impregnated into the plastic, which slowly leaks out into the body! Ive had many emails from women using both of these whove bad side affects, and have helped them discontinue their use. Ive attached a number of documents on the Pill and some websites below for you to look at. Do hope this all helps!
Take care
Wray
http://www.mercola.com/2004/jun/12/contraception_facts.htm
Unfortunately the other links were sent as attachment to my email that I had to open with Microsoft Word and therefore couldn't find the internet links. But I may post some of the info up in the "All about herbs" section because I think some of the info is really important to any of the girls here who are taking synthetic hormones. Check it out!
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
i think u found it!!
June 28 2006, 7:21 PM
drummachic thanks heaps!!!
i read in TW's forum long time ago, there was one girl used progesterone pills to increase size, it worked for her, but she said the side effect was it made her nips a lot darker.
i couldn't find her thread again.
can anybody comment on that? i am a little worried about that, too. @@......(am i asking too much in every way for my boobs? LOL)
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 7:53 PM
great job drummachic now we know! I am not a big fan of BCP at all, I just think it is way too dangerous to be putting in something so synthetic when there are probably other methods, safer too.
Fengshui I read that areolas get darker in pregnancy, perhaps due to progesterone...
annie2
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Re: progesterone cream
June 29 2006, 2:12 PM
Thanks for the info drummachic, i came off BCP early this year. i was taking Diane35 t made me gain weigth and my boobs would get tender and full but will subside after period. I never liked taking the pills and i was never on any pill for more than 3-6months. I'm not thinkinh off going on any soon.
Also drummachic i didnt answer in the other post where you where concerned when to nstart on the herbs. Most of the ladies start on the frist day of period. Some dont just in your situation that you got the herbs after youv'e had your period. They just start right away.
Hi Wsdm, see if you cvan help me out here. I 've been off BCP , when i was on BCP my cycle was 28days. Since i'm off it's 32 days . MY question is . Will the progestorone cream help regulate my period ? How i dont sound silly.
Thanks Annie2.
js89
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Annie2
June 29 2006, 2:16 PM
Diane35 made you gain weight?
Anonymous
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To Js89
July 1 2006, 7:11 PM
Sorry i took so long to answer your question. Yes Diane35 did make me gain weight . Espcially on my butt ,thigh and tummy.
Take Care
Annie2
wsdm
(no login)
Re: progesterone cream
July 1 2006, 11:33 PM
annie I really would not know that answer. I will take some time to think about it. But perhaps SugarQ might know.
However I do think progesterone cream, based on the excerpt I posted, should help with your cycle.
June 27 2006 at 1:12 AM drummachic (Login drummachic275)
Just wondering if anyone here is using progesterone cream in their programs? I am taking Ortho tri cyclen lo which contains progestin and estrogen and am worried that using a progesterone cream will interact with the progestin. I have since discovered that all-natural progesterone is much better for you than the synthetic progestin. I read that the progesterone is very good at keeping estrogen levels in check. However, my BCP seem to be working well for me (regular periods, clear skin) so I'm reluctant to switch to a progesterone-only pill. Anyone have any advice as to what I should do and whether or not this will affect my growing? (I will be taking wonderup soon) If anyone does use progesterone cream, any brand recommendations/where to order would be greatly appreciated too! Thanks everyone, I am learning a lot through this forum about myself and my health. Who knew that progesterone levels could affect so much in your life!
js89
(Login js89)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 11:49 AM
I have been researching this too. The people at Vortex Health (Wonderup) said that they have no reason to believe that progesterone cream would interfere with the effect/progress of the WU or have any adverse effect. I think I will give the progesterone cream a try.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 12:34 PM
I dont think taking progesterone cream with BCP would be safe, in fact I think it could be extremely dangerous. The pill formulations are created for a purpose and to add progesterone cream perhaps may alter the effectivness of the pill and may affect your health adversly. (Also when something is unknown I always assume the worst possible scenario) I think it is an either or situation.
Take a quote from Dr. J Reed MD (http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Womens%20Health/lee21.htm)
"E. When a woman is also on a progestin
When a woman on progestins wishes to switch to natural progesterone, several considerations should be kept in mind. First, both compete for receptor sites. The benefits of natural progesterone will be reduced by the presence of the progestin. Second, plasma progesterone levels will not reach maximum levels until the 2nd or 3rd month of use, as described in B above. Therefore, I usually recommend gradual decrease of progestin dose, such as reducing to ½ of previous dose when starting natural progesterone. During the second month of progesterone, the progestin dose can be reduced further (such as taking the reduced dose every other day). By the third month, the progestin can be safely discontinued.
Extracted from Natural Progesterone: The multiple roles of a remarkable hormone, by Dr John Lee. Published by Jon Carpenter Publishing, Unit 2PH, The Spendlove Centre, Charlbury OX7 3PQ, price £9.99, postage free. The book includes information on obtaining natural progesterone. "
Drummachic if I were you I would either use a progestin or progesterone cream not both, for both safety and effectivness.
However products such as Yasmin and Diane35 are progestin heavy.
Yasmin I think also makes a POP pill
http://www.yasmin.com/scripts/en/5aboutthepill/b_typesofpill/index.php?
The POP, or mini-Pill, contains progestogen only. You take the POP every day of the year, without a break
Yasmins site: http://www.yasmin.com/html/index.html
to really get the full benefit I suggest you visit the
internatioanal (english)
Canadian and US sites
They have different information geared toward each nation.
Diane 35: http://www.diane35.com/html/index.html
As far as progesterone creams go I like this site and they provide alot of great information.
https://secure.progesterone.com/web_store/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=29
read:
http://www.health-science.com/estrogen_dominance.html
and http://www.health-science.com/natural_progesterone.html
Also Progest is a cream that has been around for a long time: https://www.emerita.com/pages/menopause/pro-gest.asp?find%5Fcategory=WEB%5FALL&find%5Fdescription=find%5Fdescription&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=pro%2Dgest
their site is lovely and informative and so supportive of women
I would try Progest or Serenity
an additional webpage to read is HOW TO USE NATURAL PROGESTERONE by DrJohn Reed
http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Womens%20Health/lee21.htm
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 12:55 PM
oops the name is Dr. John R Lee
drummachic
(Login drummachic275)
Re: progesterone cream
June 27 2006, 4:16 PM
Thanks guys! I think I will stay on my Ortho tri cyclen Lo for now and finish off this last month, and if I don't have any results I may try getting off it and switching to a progesterone only pill. Just out of curiosity, has anyone here who is on BCP had less of a sex drive? I should probably make another thread for this one. But I have noticed that since I started taking BCP I haven't wanted to mess around with my boyfriend as much. At first I thought it was just because we have been together for so long, but then I realized that I wasn't like this b4 BCP... any input? Just wondering if any of you have experienced the same thing. It may be time to switch my BCP anyway, if it is what's causing this. And I definitely think that the progesterone cream will have to wait for me! Thanks for all the info!
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 7:12 AM
thank you, wsdm!!!! that's tons of great info!!
my english is very limited, i didn't seem to find the thing i was wondering about. could anyone help me?
i am wondering if natural progesterone cream can cause water retention in our body? i was on BC pills years ago, i got really bloated!!! took me a long time to get rid of it after i was off the pills. i wonder if progesterone cream will cause that?
i am not on any pills or herbs now, only borage oil and multi-Vitamins. and thinking using wild yam cream for massage.
thanks a million!!!!!!~LOVE~
Anonymous
(Login drummachic275)
I think I found your answer!
June 28 2006, 6:34 PM
I have been researching progesterone a lot lately and even wrote to one of those "online" dr's or whatever, and she actually wrote me back! She gave me a bunch of really helpful links and here's an excerpt from one of them about water retention:
There are many differences between progesterone and the various progestogens, but unfortunately, there are still some doctors who do not realize this. Progesterone lowers the blood pressure, while progestogens raise it; and while progesterone raises the SHBG level, progestogens lower it (see pages 22, 24). Progestogens are not accepted by progesterone receptors. Progesterone can relieve water and sodium retention, whereas some progestogens used in the Pill, such as norethisterone, cause retention of water and sodium. Progesterone is converted by the adrenals into all the various corticosteroids, which is not possible with progestogens. One function of progesterone is to maintain a pregnancy, but the progestogens cannot be used for this purpose. Some progestogens have an estrogenic effect as well, which is useful in the contraceptive field. The disposal of progestogens from the body differs from that of natural progesterone, which is excreted in the urine and feces as pregnanediol.
I will post some of the other info, but it looks like the synthetic drugs in my BCP can really have some negative side effects later in life. It's making me really nervous! I may have to switch sooner than I thought.
Anonymous
(Login drummachic275)
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 6:46 PM
Here is what the online dr. wrote me back... of course she is supporting her progesterone product, but it was actually all the links she sent me that made me worry about the BCP that I'm currently taking:
Many thanks for your email. No the progesterone wont interact with the progestin, in fact many therapists put they patients on progesterone if theyre on the Pill. It counteracts the adverse side affects of the progestins. Which of course leads me to ask do you have to take the Pill?! Have you tried the old fashioned copper T? I know some women cant use IUDs, but they really are the safest in terms of adverse side affects, provided you dont get persuaded to use the Mirena IUD or the NuvaRing, both of which have progestins impregnated into the plastic, which slowly leaks out into the body! Ive had many emails from women using both of these whove bad side affects, and have helped them discontinue their use. Ive attached a number of documents on the Pill and some websites below for you to look at. Do hope this all helps!
Take care
Wray
http://www.mercola.com/2004/jun/12/contraception_facts.htm
Unfortunately the other links were sent as attachment to my email that I had to open with Microsoft Word and therefore couldn't find the internet links. But I may post some of the info up in the "All about herbs" section because I think some of the info is really important to any of the girls here who are taking synthetic hormones. Check it out!
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
i think u found it!!
June 28 2006, 7:21 PM
drummachic thanks heaps!!!
i read in TW's forum long time ago, there was one girl used progesterone pills to increase size, it worked for her, but she said the side effect was it made her nips a lot darker.
i couldn't find her thread again.can anybody comment on that? i am a little worried about that, too. @@......(am i asking too much in every way for my boobs? LOL)
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: progesterone cream
June 28 2006, 7:53 PM
great job drummachic now we know! I am not a big fan of BCP at all, I just think it is way too dangerous to be putting in something so synthetic when there are probably other methods, safer too.
Fengshui I read that areolas get darker in pregnancy, perhaps due to progesterone...
annie2
(Login annieboobs)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: progesterone cream
June 29 2006, 2:12 PM
Thanks for the info drummachic, i came off BCP early this year. i was taking Diane35 t made me gain weigth and my boobs would get tender and full but will subside after period. I never liked taking the pills and i was never on any pill for more than 3-6months. I'm not thinkinh off going on any soon.
Also drummachic i didnt answer in the other post where you where concerned when to nstart on the herbs. Most of the ladies start on the frist day of period. Some dont just in your situation that you got the herbs after youv'e had your period. They just start right away.
Hi Wsdm, see if you cvan help me out here. I 've been off BCP , when i was on BCP my cycle was 28days. Since i'm off it's 32 days . MY question is . Will the progestorone cream help regulate my period ? How i dont sound silly.
Thanks Annie2.
js89
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EVE MEMBERS
Annie2
June 29 2006, 2:16 PM
Diane35 made you gain weight?
Anonymous
(Login annieboobs)
EVE MEMBERS
To Js89
July 1 2006, 7:11 PM
Sorry i took so long to answer your question. Yes Diane35 did make me gain weight . Espcially on my butt ,thigh and tummy.
Take Care
Annie2
wsdm
(no login)
Re: progesterone cream
July 1 2006, 11:33 PM
annie I really would not know that answer. I will take some time to think about it. But perhaps SugarQ might know.
However I do think progesterone cream, based on the excerpt I posted, should help with your cycle.