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PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please!
February 1 2009 at 5:10 PM madboobie (Login madboobie)
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Girls,
to all who use PM and cycle it, do you do 15 on 15 off regardles of whether you have come on or not, or do you do 15, then wait to come on, then start for 15 again?
If you start your next 15 before your period has started, did you find this regulated your period after a while?
Are any of you using progesterone cream in addition in the second part of the cycle? And if so, do you feel it helps to keep your period regular?
Any thoughts appreciated, thanks!
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ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 1 2009, 6:19 PM
Hey,
I had been waiting on my period to start each cycle when I had been using St Herb's caps. 1st month was good since it lengthened my cycle to 30 days. But this month AF is late, despite me using PC. I went ahead and continued using the caps (with Siriporn now) even though my period failed to show. I've already had my 15 day break and Deb had said to restart without waiting for AF. As I had mentioned in another thread, I think maybe the high dose on St Herb caused this big delay. So most likely I'll have a more normal period now that I'm only taking 200 mgs.
Funny I'm finding myself in your shoes now, madboobie, with the period delays lol. Didn't think I would run into that prob. How's things going for you by the way?
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madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 11:41 AM
Hi ShyBoobs
Things are fine basically although think period will be late again, which kind of p***** me off as I took PM for 12 measly days this month!
I might be on the verge of a rethink but having spent a small fortune on WU I'm not sure where to go next.
Maybe nowhere!!
I am much more accepting of myself now so maybe massage will be enough. I don;t know though. My boobs are definitely better but its been well over a year and though I say definitely, I don't really in all honesty measure much difference - its purely visual with and without bra and also the feel - more of a handful there!
It's a pretty confusing conveyor belt this all in all.
I will keep tabs on your PM progress ? period issues!
Thanks for asking after me. X
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SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 5:42 PM
When I start up the pm pills again I'll be using progesterone cream to be safe. The last time I used pm pills it made my periods crazy and I was uber moody. I was using pm from St. Herb but this was BEFORE they had the brand name, maybe around 2002 I believe.
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ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 6:31 PM
madboobie,
I really hope you don't call it quits just yet.
I know this process can be annoying or frustrating...but if you really don't like taking the PM caps, then maybe you should try cream instead. The Ro-Bust cream that I'm using is pretty good and I experienced an increase in fullness within 2 days. Way faster than St Herb. There's a few others here that can verify similar results. I dunno if you're in US or not, but it may be an option you should try?
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SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 9:24 PM
Well scratch the progesterone cream idea. Apparently it causes sleepy estrogen receptors to activate and I'm going to have enough going on with the pm alone, don't want to throw myself into an imbalance. Sigh, off to find something to replace pc.
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madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 1:18 PM
HI Sveltecutie
What were you planning on using the progesterone cream for exactly? Would you have used it for the next 15 days?
Did you figure out an alternative?
Shyboobs... won't call it quits yet but I JUST WANT MY PERIOD BACK TO NORMAL!!!! Scream.....
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SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 6:38 PM
Madboobie,
I was going to use the progesterone cream during the luteal phase to balance the pm but after reading waxingmoon's post on how progesterone works on our estrogen receptors I was thrown a bit. But then I referenced back to chiyomilk's blog and she used progesterone like supplements(though they do have some estrogenic herb ingred. included too) during the luteal phase so I thought I'd at least give it a try. The supplements she used contain:
1. Glucose.
2. Lemon juice powder
3. Saw palmetto extract powder
4. Wild yam
5. Fenugreek extract powder
6. Black cohosh extract powder
7. Extract powder of dandelion root
8. Chaste berry extract powder
9. Red clover extract powder
10. Cumin
11. vegetable sterol (soybean origin)
12. sucrose fatty acid ester
13. citric acid
14. sweetener (aspartame, L-phenylalanine compound)
15. flavoring agent
I am very interested in using chasteberry as a luteal phase supplement but after researching I noticed vitex can't be taken at high doses because it inhibits prolactin levels because vitex also mimics dopamine at high levels and dopamine blocks prolactin. Chiyomilk explains this a bit in her blog and suggests a maximum dosage of 120 mg vitex. I think that dose has been far exceeded by many on here who have used it and perhaps thats why vitex didn't work for them.
Anyway, on a stroke of dumb luck I found some pills called female balance that includes borage oil powder 133mg, wildyam 75mg, dongqaui 50mg, vitex 50mg, trace black cohosh and that's what I'm going to go with for now for the luteal phase.
Sorry for the loooong answer
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madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 7:11 PM
very happy for the long ansswer which I will read in more detail later! Thank you
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ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 7:11 PM
s-cutie,
that's an interesting product you found there. Let us know how it goes with that. The only thing I'm not fond of is the black cohosh, since I heard it's not good for liver. I use PC since I was ED and progesterone deficient (but still had low estrogen too). It didn't help with the late period prob this time around, obviously. XD
Madboobie,
Glad to hear! Hope your period begins to regulate soon. And FYI, I got mine late last night. So AF is FINALLY in the building. The good thing is that I don't have cramps! I usually do. But now it's just the occassional discomfort, and that I can deal with. Plus the flow isn't so heavy like it was the past 2 months, which is awesome. Hopefully I won't jinx myself later on.
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SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 9:04 PM
Your welcome madboobie.
Shyboobs when I saw the black cohosh ingredient I immediately had the same reaction. It is a small amount but still. :/ I'll only be taking it for 8 days out of the month and will do a liver detox after three months of my BE program so hopefully I'll be able to curb liver toxicity. I'm tempted to use a liver cleanse while taking them as well, don't know if that would be the best thing during that time though.
February 1 2009 at 5:10 PM madboobie (Login madboobie)
SENIOR MEMBER
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Girls,
to all who use PM and cycle it, do you do 15 on 15 off regardles of whether you have come on or not, or do you do 15, then wait to come on, then start for 15 again?
If you start your next 15 before your period has started, did you find this regulated your period after a while?
Are any of you using progesterone cream in addition in the second part of the cycle? And if so, do you feel it helps to keep your period regular?
Any thoughts appreciated, thanks!
Author Reply
ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 1 2009, 6:19 PM
Hey,
I had been waiting on my period to start each cycle when I had been using St Herb's caps. 1st month was good since it lengthened my cycle to 30 days. But this month AF is late, despite me using PC. I went ahead and continued using the caps (with Siriporn now) even though my period failed to show. I've already had my 15 day break and Deb had said to restart without waiting for AF. As I had mentioned in another thread, I think maybe the high dose on St Herb caused this big delay. So most likely I'll have a more normal period now that I'm only taking 200 mgs.
Funny I'm finding myself in your shoes now, madboobie, with the period delays lol. Didn't think I would run into that prob. How's things going for you by the way?
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madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 11:41 AM
Hi ShyBoobs
Things are fine basically although think period will be late again, which kind of p***** me off as I took PM for 12 measly days this month!
I might be on the verge of a rethink but having spent a small fortune on WU I'm not sure where to go next.
Maybe nowhere!!
I am much more accepting of myself now so maybe massage will be enough. I don;t know though. My boobs are definitely better but its been well over a year and though I say definitely, I don't really in all honesty measure much difference - its purely visual with and without bra and also the feel - more of a handful there!
It's a pretty confusing conveyor belt this all in all.
I will keep tabs on your PM progress ? period issues!
Thanks for asking after me. X
Edit Message Delete Message
SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 5:42 PM
When I start up the pm pills again I'll be using progesterone cream to be safe. The last time I used pm pills it made my periods crazy and I was uber moody. I was using pm from St. Herb but this was BEFORE they had the brand name, maybe around 2002 I believe.
Edit Message Delete Message
ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 6:31 PM
madboobie,
I really hope you don't call it quits just yet.
I know this process can be annoying or frustrating...but if you really don't like taking the PM caps, then maybe you should try cream instead. The Ro-Bust cream that I'm using is pretty good and I experienced an increase in fullness within 2 days. Way faster than St Herb. There's a few others here that can verify similar results. I dunno if you're in US or not, but it may be an option you should try? Edit Message Delete Message
SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 2 2009, 9:24 PM
Well scratch the progesterone cream idea. Apparently it causes sleepy estrogen receptors to activate and I'm going to have enough going on with the pm alone, don't want to throw myself into an imbalance. Sigh, off to find something to replace pc.
Edit Message Delete Message
madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 1:18 PM
HI Sveltecutie
What were you planning on using the progesterone cream for exactly? Would you have used it for the next 15 days?
Did you figure out an alternative?
Shyboobs... won't call it quits yet but I JUST WANT MY PERIOD BACK TO NORMAL!!!! Scream.....
Edit Message Delete Message
SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 6:38 PM
Madboobie,
I was going to use the progesterone cream during the luteal phase to balance the pm but after reading waxingmoon's post on how progesterone works on our estrogen receptors I was thrown a bit. But then I referenced back to chiyomilk's blog and she used progesterone like supplements(though they do have some estrogenic herb ingred. included too) during the luteal phase so I thought I'd at least give it a try. The supplements she used contain:
1. Glucose.
2. Lemon juice powder
3. Saw palmetto extract powder
4. Wild yam
5. Fenugreek extract powder
6. Black cohosh extract powder
7. Extract powder of dandelion root
8. Chaste berry extract powder
9. Red clover extract powder
10. Cumin
11. vegetable sterol (soybean origin)
12. sucrose fatty acid ester
13. citric acid
14. sweetener (aspartame, L-phenylalanine compound)
15. flavoring agent
I am very interested in using chasteberry as a luteal phase supplement but after researching I noticed vitex can't be taken at high doses because it inhibits prolactin levels because vitex also mimics dopamine at high levels and dopamine blocks prolactin. Chiyomilk explains this a bit in her blog and suggests a maximum dosage of 120 mg vitex. I think that dose has been far exceeded by many on here who have used it and perhaps thats why vitex didn't work for them.
Anyway, on a stroke of dumb luck I found some pills called female balance that includes borage oil powder 133mg, wildyam 75mg, dongqaui 50mg, vitex 50mg, trace black cohosh and that's what I'm going to go with for now for the luteal phase.
Sorry for the loooong answer
Edit Message Delete Message
madboobie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 7:11 PM
very happy for the long ansswer which I will read in more detail later! Thank you
Edit Message Delete Message
ShyBoobs
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 7:11 PM
s-cutie,
that's an interesting product you found there. Let us know how it goes with that. The only thing I'm not fond of is the black cohosh, since I heard it's not good for liver. I use PC since I was ED and progesterone deficient (but still had low estrogen too). It didn't help with the late period prob this time around, obviously. XD
Madboobie,
Glad to hear! Hope your period begins to regulate soon. And FYI, I got mine late last night. So AF is FINALLY in the building. The good thing is that I don't have cramps! I usually do. But now it's just the occassional discomfort, and that I can deal with. Plus the flow isn't so heavy like it was the past 2 months, which is awesome. Hopefully I won't jinx myself later on.
Edit Message Delete Message
SvelteCutie
(no login) Re: PM and cycling - all PM users thoughts, please! February 3 2009, 9:04 PM
Your welcome madboobie.
Shyboobs when I saw the black cohosh ingredient I immediately had the same reaction. It is a small amount but still. :/ I'll only be taking it for 8 days out of the month and will do a liver detox after three months of my BE program so hopefully I'll be able to curb liver toxicity. I'm tempted to use a liver cleanse while taking them as well, don't know if that would be the best thing during that time though.