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about agnus castus
March 26 2007 at 7:28 PM Anonymous (no login)
Why do you think it helps with NBE?It decreases prolactin levels(we massage to raise them),estrogen levels(we take estrogenic herbs to raise them) and increases testosterone and progesterone levels.I can't understand how it helps you with NBE
melosh
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Re: about agnus castus
March 26 2007, 9:47 PM
Dear Anonymos
I have a theory about how agnus cactus could grow breasts. But remember this is just my guesswork.
It must help lower androgen levels especially testostrone because vitex users say it completely cleared their acne in 3 months.
Most women have high estrogen levels, even women with no breasts usually have high estrogen levels but I assume those high levels of estrogen are directly raising androgens and turning into testostrone instead of doing it`s other jobs in the body. Vitex must be NOT letting estrogen TURN into androgens so it stays at it`s elevetad levels and ON IT`s OWN.
It must be also increasing progestrone levels so estrogen is not too high compared to estrogen. In other words I guess as it keeps high estrogen levels from turning into androgen it also increases progestrone levels to match high estrogen levels. Low androgen levels+high estrogen+high progestrone= breast growth.
Ladies please share your ideas about this theory.
Best of luck to everyone
Moonkissed
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: about agnus castus
March 26 2007, 10:37 PM
Vitex does not decrease prolactin. One study found that low doses of vitex increased prolactin in women, and even in men. When articles usually mention that prolactin levels decrease, they neglect to mention that this is usually due to increased levels of prolactin already present in the body, which typically leads to a condition called hyperprolactinaemia.
Concerning testosterone, vitex has been found to increase this hormone in men (rather ironic if one considers this herb's history with chastity), but there is no solid evidence to suggest it does so in women. With estrogen, vitex does appear to favour the luteinizing hormone in lieu of the follicle stimulating hormone, which is why this herb is recommended for women with estrogen dominance, or progesterone deficiency. However, some articles on vitex mention that this herb acts overall to restore proper hormone levels, which seems to suggest that one's estrogen will not lower if it is excreted in its proper amount for the body in the first place. The estrogen levels will only change if something is wrong to begin with.
March 26 2007 at 7:28 PM Anonymous (no login)
Why do you think it helps with NBE?It decreases prolactin levels(we massage to raise them),estrogen levels(we take estrogenic herbs to raise them) and increases testosterone and progesterone levels.I can't understand how it helps you with NBE
melosh
(Login melosh)
Re: about agnus castus
March 26 2007, 9:47 PM
Dear Anonymos
I have a theory about how agnus cactus could grow breasts. But remember this is just my guesswork.
It must help lower androgen levels especially testostrone because vitex users say it completely cleared their acne in 3 months.
Most women have high estrogen levels, even women with no breasts usually have high estrogen levels but I assume those high levels of estrogen are directly raising androgens and turning into testostrone instead of doing it`s other jobs in the body. Vitex must be NOT letting estrogen TURN into androgens so it stays at it`s elevetad levels and ON IT`s OWN.
It must be also increasing progestrone levels so estrogen is not too high compared to estrogen. In other words I guess as it keeps high estrogen levels from turning into androgen it also increases progestrone levels to match high estrogen levels. Low androgen levels+high estrogen+high progestrone= breast growth.
Ladies please share your ideas about this theory.
Best of luck to everyone
Moonkissed
(Login Moonkissed)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: about agnus castus
March 26 2007, 10:37 PM
Vitex does not decrease prolactin. One study found that low doses of vitex increased prolactin in women, and even in men. When articles usually mention that prolactin levels decrease, they neglect to mention that this is usually due to increased levels of prolactin already present in the body, which typically leads to a condition called hyperprolactinaemia.
Concerning testosterone, vitex has been found to increase this hormone in men (rather ironic if one considers this herb's history with chastity), but there is no solid evidence to suggest it does so in women. With estrogen, vitex does appear to favour the luteinizing hormone in lieu of the follicle stimulating hormone, which is why this herb is recommended for women with estrogen dominance, or progesterone deficiency. However, some articles on vitex mention that this herb acts overall to restore proper hormone levels, which seems to suggest that one's estrogen will not lower if it is excreted in its proper amount for the body in the first place. The estrogen levels will only change if something is wrong to begin with.