Hello Poison,
OK, so here is what we have so far:
Female age 27
About 5'3", 125lbs, no chilren
Good diet and exercise
-----------------
Fenugreek (NOW Foods)
Saw Palmetto (NOW Foods)
Red Clover (Nature's Way)
Your original message says that you are taking 3 X each of these per day. If I assume that you mean 3 capsules, (rather than 3 servings which is two capsules) then you are getting:
Fenugreek: 500mg X 3 = 1500mg
Saw Palmetto 550mg X 3 = 1650mg
Red Clover 500mg X 3 = 1500mg
This is different than "15 mg a day from each herb (total 45 ml/day)."
ml = milliliters = volume
mg = milligrams = weight
Also, when discussing ml of extracts it is also important to know the strength (1 to 1, 4 to 1, 10 to 1, etc.)
Is "15 mg a day from each herb (total 45 ml/day)" a paraphrase of what you described in your first thread; "3 x saw palmetto, 3 x fenugreek and 3 x red clover blossoms?" (BTW, Nature's Way uses more than the blossoms)
------------------
You are massaging with a tea made with the following ingredients:
Anisi=Star Anise
Anethi= Dill
Foenu graeci = Fenugreek
Foeniculi = Fennel
Is this a tea that you put together or purchased? If purchased, are there any other ingredients/fillers? You could be allergic to one of these other ingredients when rubbed into the skin. I agree with you that it could be one of the ingredients in the tea. Has the "rash" made any progress one way or the other since discontinuing the massage with the tea?
I would suggest a steeped mixture (for no less than a week) of Olive oil, fenugreek powder, and EPO or borage oil. Massage it in and follow with 30 minutes of low heat.
------------------
If the problem is any of the internals, it is very likely the Red Clover. The Genestein in Red Clover interferes with thyroid function resulting in a slow thyroid. Most of the symptoms you describe all point to that.
Fenugreek can increase insulin which will lower blood sugar and lower SHBG. This can result in headaches that you describe, and will raise free testosterone. The increase in free testosterone could explain the pimples, assuming that internals could be causing this, but a slow thyroid could also explain it.
My suggestions:
Change the massage batter.
Discontinue Red Clover.
Add Kelp. Nature's way is a good brand. Take as suggested, one capsule once per day.
Keep some hard candy close by as a quick fix for the headaches. Try it, they should go away within minutes if fenugreek is the cause. Long term, increase your carb intake for the meals preceding the headaches.
Add flaxseed oil. 1000mg three times per day.
Add Mexican Wild Yam, but ony because it is a good addition to your program.
Optimal dosages for NBE purposes: You can experiment to see what works best for you. If you want to see if you have an allergy, stop everything, wait a couple of weeks, then reintroduce them, one at a time per week, no more than 500mg per day, and observe any effects.
Wahaika
OK, so here is what we have so far:
Female age 27
About 5'3", 125lbs, no chilren
Good diet and exercise
-----------------
Fenugreek (NOW Foods)
Saw Palmetto (NOW Foods)
Red Clover (Nature's Way)
Your original message says that you are taking 3 X each of these per day. If I assume that you mean 3 capsules, (rather than 3 servings which is two capsules) then you are getting:
Fenugreek: 500mg X 3 = 1500mg
Saw Palmetto 550mg X 3 = 1650mg
Red Clover 500mg X 3 = 1500mg
This is different than "15 mg a day from each herb (total 45 ml/day)."
ml = milliliters = volume
mg = milligrams = weight
Also, when discussing ml of extracts it is also important to know the strength (1 to 1, 4 to 1, 10 to 1, etc.)
Is "15 mg a day from each herb (total 45 ml/day)" a paraphrase of what you described in your first thread; "3 x saw palmetto, 3 x fenugreek and 3 x red clover blossoms?" (BTW, Nature's Way uses more than the blossoms)
------------------
You are massaging with a tea made with the following ingredients:
Anisi=Star Anise
Anethi= Dill
Foenu graeci = Fenugreek
Foeniculi = Fennel
Is this a tea that you put together or purchased? If purchased, are there any other ingredients/fillers? You could be allergic to one of these other ingredients when rubbed into the skin. I agree with you that it could be one of the ingredients in the tea. Has the "rash" made any progress one way or the other since discontinuing the massage with the tea?
I would suggest a steeped mixture (for no less than a week) of Olive oil, fenugreek powder, and EPO or borage oil. Massage it in and follow with 30 minutes of low heat.
------------------
If the problem is any of the internals, it is very likely the Red Clover. The Genestein in Red Clover interferes with thyroid function resulting in a slow thyroid. Most of the symptoms you describe all point to that.
Fenugreek can increase insulin which will lower blood sugar and lower SHBG. This can result in headaches that you describe, and will raise free testosterone. The increase in free testosterone could explain the pimples, assuming that internals could be causing this, but a slow thyroid could also explain it.
My suggestions:
Change the massage batter.
Discontinue Red Clover.
Add Kelp. Nature's way is a good brand. Take as suggested, one capsule once per day.
Keep some hard candy close by as a quick fix for the headaches. Try it, they should go away within minutes if fenugreek is the cause. Long term, increase your carb intake for the meals preceding the headaches.
Add flaxseed oil. 1000mg three times per day.
Add Mexican Wild Yam, but ony because it is a good addition to your program.
Optimal dosages for NBE purposes: You can experiment to see what works best for you. If you want to see if you have an allergy, stop everything, wait a couple of weeks, then reintroduce them, one at a time per week, no more than 500mg per day, and observe any effects.
Wahaika