05-07-2010, 20:06
WOW indeed!
It strikes me that things get so much out of hand, I don´t think that was necessary at all.
I´m not going into detail about all the items of Wahaika´s very long post, except maybe to point out that you cannot be born an aphrodite because Aphrodite was the greek goddess of love and beauty (the roman Venus), the word should probably be hermaphrodite - ok, maybe even that wasn´t even necessary, just being a smart aleck.
Anyway, I now finally understand where these very harsh opinions of Wahaika´s come from, and that´s a relief. It´s clearly based on his religion. Which, as I was once taught in university, is actually no more than an ideology nowadays (Churches have no real power, everyone can choose to follow them or not, it´s not mandatory).
The fact that we´re even discussing these topics shows that there is no such thing as "fact" and that society allows for many different lifestyles and expressions. The vehemence with which people like Wahaika and Majestic defend their views shows that those very views are being questioned by society. If it were not so, there wouldn´t even be a discussion about it, as everyone would accept that things are like that.
I saw a movie this weekend that reminded me of this discussion. In it, a professor of literature explained to his students that the jews were not murdered "for no reason". He explained that there was a reason, only that the reason was not real. The reason was fear, and the fear an imaginary one.
I hope I don´t get misunderstood when I refer to the holocaust in relation to this topic, the similarity I see only refers to the fear nazis had of jews, and this fear led them to all the atrosities they commited.
Wahaika, I´m not implying you are capable of murdering anyone, but I do think your views are based on fear. I imagine the existence of people who are different from you, of men who become women, of the homosexual lifestyle, whatever, is experienced as threatening to the kind of life you have chosen for yourself and your family.
That is why we are going on and on about this being prejudiced issue.
Sadly, there are still a lot of people who relate to others who are different to them from an attitude of fear, and this is what breeds violence.
(Also, I want to mention that homosexuals were also exterminated in the holocaust, so it´s not such a far-fetched analogy. And gypsies and disabled people too btw.)
It strikes me that things get so much out of hand, I don´t think that was necessary at all.
I´m not going into detail about all the items of Wahaika´s very long post, except maybe to point out that you cannot be born an aphrodite because Aphrodite was the greek goddess of love and beauty (the roman Venus), the word should probably be hermaphrodite - ok, maybe even that wasn´t even necessary, just being a smart aleck.
Anyway, I now finally understand where these very harsh opinions of Wahaika´s come from, and that´s a relief. It´s clearly based on his religion. Which, as I was once taught in university, is actually no more than an ideology nowadays (Churches have no real power, everyone can choose to follow them or not, it´s not mandatory).
The fact that we´re even discussing these topics shows that there is no such thing as "fact" and that society allows for many different lifestyles and expressions. The vehemence with which people like Wahaika and Majestic defend their views shows that those very views are being questioned by society. If it were not so, there wouldn´t even be a discussion about it, as everyone would accept that things are like that.
I saw a movie this weekend that reminded me of this discussion. In it, a professor of literature explained to his students that the jews were not murdered "for no reason". He explained that there was a reason, only that the reason was not real. The reason was fear, and the fear an imaginary one.
I hope I don´t get misunderstood when I refer to the holocaust in relation to this topic, the similarity I see only refers to the fear nazis had of jews, and this fear led them to all the atrosities they commited.
Wahaika, I´m not implying you are capable of murdering anyone, but I do think your views are based on fear. I imagine the existence of people who are different from you, of men who become women, of the homosexual lifestyle, whatever, is experienced as threatening to the kind of life you have chosen for yourself and your family.
That is why we are going on and on about this being prejudiced issue.
Sadly, there are still a lot of people who relate to others who are different to them from an attitude of fear, and this is what breeds violence.
(Also, I want to mention that homosexuals were also exterminated in the holocaust, so it´s not such a far-fetched analogy. And gypsies and disabled people too btw.)