29-11-2014, 09:02
(This post was last modified: 29-11-2014, 09:17 by surferjoe2007.)
Maybe a bad hypothalamus, but you should really get fully checked and see.
A good starting point would be to live off of lots and lots of sprouted pumpkin seeds to cover anything you might be missing. Around 1/2 cup a day or more. If you can't find it sprouted then soak overnight in water, or get roasted if you must. If you really want to go all out then add in oysters, mussels, a little sunflower seeds and lots and lots of whole grains, especially brown rice. These are food, they're harmless and a great first step. Try for several months.
Watch out for BS nutritional fads. Verify everything. Here's where you can find the nutritional content of all foods: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/ . That's why I picked out the above; high nutrition by the numbers. Here's where you can find studies: www.pubmed.gov . Kale is total BS for example. Do not omit any category of food: there is no common whole food well studied to always be avoided. But that's a great way to miss multiple nutrients. And there are thousands of studies showing the detriment to health too. To be blunt there are sciency fads that are total made up BS without significant support from studies nor biology. If you're not sure then good, look it up for yourself. Don't believe without checking nutritional content first.
Saw palmetto only stops the conversion of regular T into DHT, and it stops blocking the conversion once you stop taking it and it is out of your system. It can't block the conversion anymore; it's not there. You stopped 4 years ago you said? It is utterly incapable of lowering regular T. But DHT is much stronger than regular T so you may have been running on all DHT and then SP killed it off. Low T doesn't shrink your balls; that's backwards. Shrunken balls lowers your T. If anything lowering T by itself would make your balls larger to compensate (if nothing else is wrong). That's why those who abuse T have balls the size of raisins.
You're too hung up on random guessing and finger pointing when that doesn't work out. There's something else going on here and I think you gotta go through the lab tests and figure it out to find a proper answer. Here's a study with 369 people taking 960 mg saw palmetto extract, a triple dose, for 18 months without any measurable adverse effects compared to placebo: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063633 . I know quite well that there are many people who had their testosterone plummet after using SP, but they are many out of millions. SP can only lower their stronger DHT testosterone and then only as long as you keep taking it. So there is a sudden drop in overall T and it's a bad experience. But for their other T to be missing and for there to be other effects besides those related to lower T there has to be something else also going on here. Find out what. You say you were "fine" before but you were balding. Balding shows a reliance on DHT. DHT may provide plenty of testosterone, but it leads to balding, enlarged prostate and so on. If you kill off your DHT it should be no surprise that your testosterone drops a good deal. The only big surprise is that there was nothing else left. That's not normal or typical. Find out why it happened.
It's like Socrates says, "the unexamined life is not worth living". Find hard data on everything, cross-examine everything. If you're thrown about on every whim because something looks bad or looks good at a glance, then it's going to be a long time before you stumble across an answer by pure luck.
If it were me I'd be mad more at the doctor because he said "oh, your testosterone is low" and simply tossed you some testosterone without running more thorough tests, not because it didn't work.
A good starting point would be to live off of lots and lots of sprouted pumpkin seeds to cover anything you might be missing. Around 1/2 cup a day or more. If you can't find it sprouted then soak overnight in water, or get roasted if you must. If you really want to go all out then add in oysters, mussels, a little sunflower seeds and lots and lots of whole grains, especially brown rice. These are food, they're harmless and a great first step. Try for several months.
Watch out for BS nutritional fads. Verify everything. Here's where you can find the nutritional content of all foods: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/ . That's why I picked out the above; high nutrition by the numbers. Here's where you can find studies: www.pubmed.gov . Kale is total BS for example. Do not omit any category of food: there is no common whole food well studied to always be avoided. But that's a great way to miss multiple nutrients. And there are thousands of studies showing the detriment to health too. To be blunt there are sciency fads that are total made up BS without significant support from studies nor biology. If you're not sure then good, look it up for yourself. Don't believe without checking nutritional content first.
Saw palmetto only stops the conversion of regular T into DHT, and it stops blocking the conversion once you stop taking it and it is out of your system. It can't block the conversion anymore; it's not there. You stopped 4 years ago you said? It is utterly incapable of lowering regular T. But DHT is much stronger than regular T so you may have been running on all DHT and then SP killed it off. Low T doesn't shrink your balls; that's backwards. Shrunken balls lowers your T. If anything lowering T by itself would make your balls larger to compensate (if nothing else is wrong). That's why those who abuse T have balls the size of raisins.
You're too hung up on random guessing and finger pointing when that doesn't work out. There's something else going on here and I think you gotta go through the lab tests and figure it out to find a proper answer. Here's a study with 369 people taking 960 mg saw palmetto extract, a triple dose, for 18 months without any measurable adverse effects compared to placebo: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063633 . I know quite well that there are many people who had their testosterone plummet after using SP, but they are many out of millions. SP can only lower their stronger DHT testosterone and then only as long as you keep taking it. So there is a sudden drop in overall T and it's a bad experience. But for their other T to be missing and for there to be other effects besides those related to lower T there has to be something else also going on here. Find out what. You say you were "fine" before but you were balding. Balding shows a reliance on DHT. DHT may provide plenty of testosterone, but it leads to balding, enlarged prostate and so on. If you kill off your DHT it should be no surprise that your testosterone drops a good deal. The only big surprise is that there was nothing else left. That's not normal or typical. Find out why it happened.
It's like Socrates says, "the unexamined life is not worth living". Find hard data on everything, cross-examine everything. If you're thrown about on every whim because something looks bad or looks good at a glance, then it's going to be a long time before you stumble across an answer by pure luck.
If it were me I'd be mad more at the doctor because he said "oh, your testosterone is low" and simply tossed you some testosterone without running more thorough tests, not because it didn't work.