[surferjoe2007]

Thank you Surfer Joe - would I buy rice bran from the supermarket (grocery store)? How do I eat it/what do I eat it with?
Due to my thyroid I cannot take PM. And also, I thought red clover was an estrogen herb, which I have to stay away from due to my low progesterone level.
Sorry, but what are phytoestrogens? What are the name of these herbs? And what exactly are their role?
You mention fenugreek, shatavari, goat's rue or wild yam - sorry, do you mean taking one of these will increase my progesterone? I am wanting to try Natureday - if I decided to go with one of these herbs, how long should I take it for approximately before starting Natureday, and would I continue taking it while taking Natureday? Also, I was advised to take Natureday as opposed to Wonderup - are you of the same opinion?

Candace - Thank you. I will have a go at the binaural. Do you still use it? If you don't, how long ago did you stop and has your edema stayed away?

Rice bran is in health food stores. It tastes like bran. You may eat it plain or on fruit, in smoothies, etc.

Yeah I was suggesting low dose or weak phytoestrogens and then only after you get your progesterone to normal: low dose PM, low dose hops, or any amount of red clover or flax because they are relatively weak (but still too much until you get normal progesterone).

As far as I can tell fenugreek and the other 3 listed seem to increase sensitivity to all hormones. So it doesn't raise progesterone so much as it seems to raise everything. You still can't use too much phytoestrogens even with them but you can use as much of those 4 as you want without causing imbalance. If anything they are balancing.

It would be cheaper and probably more effective than natureday or wonderup to simply use more fenugreek ( or etc.), an anti-testosterone if needed and a weak or low dose phytoestrogen. That's all those two products contain anyway except in low amounts. And then they add many redundant ingredients to seem fancy and distract from how little quantity they have. 3 herbs is plenty. Though natureday might be the better of the two due to the extracts. They may or may not have a high concentration meaning they could pack more in a small space. Still cheaper to buy your own 3 herbs.