05-10-2014, 04:28
All- I am surprised that anybody even read my post. I must have spent 20 or 30 hours trying to sort through real information and segregate it from hype. I put my post out mostly to help people navigate an arena where manufacturers don't put the information out to make informed choices., or put out information in a form that needs work I wanted to commend, at some level, those who do. The fact that Ainterol knows its active ingredient content, but declines to provide it is terribly unfortunate. If they really were stronger than .004% active, I would swallow the entire bottle.
I do concur with those who wonder why you would put so much b-12 in a tablet. I don't see why that would help menopausal women, to who Solgar and Nature's Answer are directed It is true that if you are b-12 deficient (I happen to be drastically deficient) you might feel better, I don't see the reason why this needs to be in this supplement.
Originally, I had been excited that Nature's Bounty had DIM in it. Saves a pill, if you will. Lotus, you had posted information on DIM, which caused me to research its anti-androgen effect. After the 2003 paper, providing an unsubstantiated conclusion, a number of other research labs looked at DIM. DiM is from things like broccoli, perceived to be wonderful for you, so the thought it might be an anti androgen was pure heaven. Subsequent research (one of the tricks in doing your own research is that scientists STRONGLY prefer using the official form of a chemical substance) is less clear. For males, DIM appears to lower overall testosterone, but raise Free testosterone. For Women, it appears to change female hormone balance. Personally, I find a supplement that works to help both female and male hormone balance a bit hard to believe. But take a look at the testosterone mad men out there, they take this stuff to increase free T.
If DIM turns out not to be an anti androgen, you are left with few choices. I can personally vouch for licorice root as destroying T (no effect from PM, but the effect on male function from L is dramatic, as WebMd would suggest), SP appears to be ineffective, Red Reishi is poorly studied.
And then there is the issue of aromatase promoters. There is no obvious choice for this function.
Christine
I do concur with those who wonder why you would put so much b-12 in a tablet. I don't see why that would help menopausal women, to who Solgar and Nature's Answer are directed It is true that if you are b-12 deficient (I happen to be drastically deficient) you might feel better, I don't see the reason why this needs to be in this supplement.
Originally, I had been excited that Nature's Bounty had DIM in it. Saves a pill, if you will. Lotus, you had posted information on DIM, which caused me to research its anti-androgen effect. After the 2003 paper, providing an unsubstantiated conclusion, a number of other research labs looked at DIM. DiM is from things like broccoli, perceived to be wonderful for you, so the thought it might be an anti androgen was pure heaven. Subsequent research (one of the tricks in doing your own research is that scientists STRONGLY prefer using the official form of a chemical substance) is less clear. For males, DIM appears to lower overall testosterone, but raise Free testosterone. For Women, it appears to change female hormone balance. Personally, I find a supplement that works to help both female and male hormone balance a bit hard to believe. But take a look at the testosterone mad men out there, they take this stuff to increase free T.
If DIM turns out not to be an anti androgen, you are left with few choices. I can personally vouch for licorice root as destroying T (no effect from PM, but the effect on male function from L is dramatic, as WebMd would suggest), SP appears to be ineffective, Red Reishi is poorly studied.
And then there is the issue of aromatase promoters. There is no obvious choice for this function.
Christine