13-08-2014, 20:28
(This post was last modified: 13-08-2014, 22:49 by Charlie_girl.)
SurferJoe- I really do appreciate all of the work & thought you've put into my program and responses. And I appreciate you helping me out. However, I do not agree with most of what you're saying, and I think some of it is downright dangerous for some women who might want to follow your advice given here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and you seem to have done quite a bit of research, but probably just to calculate what needs to be included in the product you sell. I do not want bad or dangerous advice on my program thread. Let me explain...
1- First, just to cover this, I'm taking additional Vit E and Vit C with bioflavinoids and in those amounts, under doctors orders because of my Skin Pen treatments. So I will follow directions before and after each treatment with about a 2 week break in between. Once the treatments are complete, I will stop. And yes, they know of my healthy diet containing both of those naturally.
** It is not advisable to recommend that ANYONE steer away from what a doctor told them to do, regarding ANYTHING. Ever. Even if you were a doctor (which you're not), altering doctors orders over the Internet without seeing someone and knowing their medical past is a HUGE no-no in the medical field. And it's a huge, EXAGGERATED no-no for someone who isn't an MD. You should know better. Please do not do this, because someone might actually take your advice and end up having an issue, or even serious issues.
2- There is no sense in taking multiple herbs that do the same thing (ie balance your hormones). LESS IS MORE. Overloading your liver is never a good thing & can lead to serious problems. You NEVER want to take too many herbs, or too much of one herb, at the same time. One powerful hormone balancing herb is enough. Taking an additional herb alongside this, that has other powerful qualities but also MILDLY balnces you is okay. And if you can get some of your herbs as an extract or oil in order to deliver it to your system transdermally, in order to avoid liver processing altogether, even better.
3- Please do not tell ANYONE that "the sky is the limit" with prolactin-raising herbs. This is categorically untrue and it's very dangerous to think that way, and to take these herb with that mindset. You are correct that I can take more than what I'm currently taking & that it WILL be more beneficial for me. However, there ARE HUGE risks you're playing with if you elevate your prolactin levels too much (prolactin is released by the pituitary gland, therefore high levels of prolactin effect the pituitary & problems with the pituitary gland messes up all the other glands in your endocrine system, high prolactin can result in low progesterone, prolactin levels that are too high can also cause: increased growth of hair on face or body, organ damage, infertility, irregular periods or missed periods, unexpected breast milk discharge, dysfunction of other hormones produced by the pituitary (which could result in hypothyroidism & adrenal insufficiency), can reduce production of estrogen & testosterone resulting in decreased bone density leading to osteoporosis and also inhibiting NBE success, if you already unknowingly have a small benign tumor on your pituitary, high levels of prolactin will be nothing but trouble for you (that's a whole other world of issues & health problems I won't get into here), loss of sexual desire, muscle weakness, erectile dysfunction (obviously for the men who raise prolactin too much), if you have or get cancer- you're at more of a risk since high prolactin levels forces the cancer to head to the lymph nodes, and messing up your pituitary can lead to so many other health issues. Do NOT promote "sky high" limits- that is dangerous and horrible advice.
4- Raising my progesterone alongside my phytoestrogens daily is not a bad thing, it's much healthier and safer in regards to cancer risk. Especially since I seem to be ED. You are right, you DO need breaks from progesterone cream, not monthly, but every 2-3 months you should break while using it if you're using it the way that I am. Cycling monthly is GREAT though, and I'm not against that- so dont get me wrong. If you're hormones are balanced and there's no personal need to use it all month, then cycle. I agree with people that cycle. I personally am not cycling monthly.
BIO-IDENTICAL PROGESTERONE CREAM PROTECTS YOU FROM CANCER CAUSED BY ESTROGEN. If you are raising your estrogen levels, please think about adding in bio-identical progesterone cream to your program. Yes, cycle it. I'm not going to for a couple of months. I may at that time begin cycling. Stay away from synthetic progesterone if you can.
And also as I've stated, the amount of progesterone in progesterone cream is NO WHERE NEAR the levels you get from the Depo. Please do not go around touting the danger of progesterone while simultaneously telling people to up their estrogen, especially encouraging something as strong as PM while advising "no progesterone". If they listen to that advice, they raise their risk of cancer as well as other health issues.
*Also a little end note. The Depo shot is SUPPOSED to stop you from having a cycle. That's what it does. It tricks your body into thinking that it's already pregnant so you don't ovulate (release an egg). Stopping your cycle is NOT a side effect, it's the PURPOSE.
I'm sorry SurferJoe, I don't agree with you and since I previously thought that you had more knowledge on these subjects than I do, I asked for your advice. And you do seem to have more knowledge on certain things, just not what I addressed in this post. I DO appreciate your insigt on the other topics. The second you plugged your product on my program page though, your opinions lost credibility to me, especially considering your product is already clearly plugged in your signature. No need to push it on someone's thread. I commend you for doing research and creating your own product and I do hope it's successful for you. You seem to have good ingredients and a good system at a good price. I just don't think your opinions on certain things are accurate and some things that you promote are dangerous. I won't have that on my program page. Healthier, stable, continuous growth is ALWAYS better than fast, dangerous growth.
1- First, just to cover this, I'm taking additional Vit E and Vit C with bioflavinoids and in those amounts, under doctors orders because of my Skin Pen treatments. So I will follow directions before and after each treatment with about a 2 week break in between. Once the treatments are complete, I will stop. And yes, they know of my healthy diet containing both of those naturally.
** It is not advisable to recommend that ANYONE steer away from what a doctor told them to do, regarding ANYTHING. Ever. Even if you were a doctor (which you're not), altering doctors orders over the Internet without seeing someone and knowing their medical past is a HUGE no-no in the medical field. And it's a huge, EXAGGERATED no-no for someone who isn't an MD. You should know better. Please do not do this, because someone might actually take your advice and end up having an issue, or even serious issues.
2- There is no sense in taking multiple herbs that do the same thing (ie balance your hormones). LESS IS MORE. Overloading your liver is never a good thing & can lead to serious problems. You NEVER want to take too many herbs, or too much of one herb, at the same time. One powerful hormone balancing herb is enough. Taking an additional herb alongside this, that has other powerful qualities but also MILDLY balnces you is okay. And if you can get some of your herbs as an extract or oil in order to deliver it to your system transdermally, in order to avoid liver processing altogether, even better.
3- Please do not tell ANYONE that "the sky is the limit" with prolactin-raising herbs. This is categorically untrue and it's very dangerous to think that way, and to take these herb with that mindset. You are correct that I can take more than what I'm currently taking & that it WILL be more beneficial for me. However, there ARE HUGE risks you're playing with if you elevate your prolactin levels too much (prolactin is released by the pituitary gland, therefore high levels of prolactin effect the pituitary & problems with the pituitary gland messes up all the other glands in your endocrine system, high prolactin can result in low progesterone, prolactin levels that are too high can also cause: increased growth of hair on face or body, organ damage, infertility, irregular periods or missed periods, unexpected breast milk discharge, dysfunction of other hormones produced by the pituitary (which could result in hypothyroidism & adrenal insufficiency), can reduce production of estrogen & testosterone resulting in decreased bone density leading to osteoporosis and also inhibiting NBE success, if you already unknowingly have a small benign tumor on your pituitary, high levels of prolactin will be nothing but trouble for you (that's a whole other world of issues & health problems I won't get into here), loss of sexual desire, muscle weakness, erectile dysfunction (obviously for the men who raise prolactin too much), if you have or get cancer- you're at more of a risk since high prolactin levels forces the cancer to head to the lymph nodes, and messing up your pituitary can lead to so many other health issues. Do NOT promote "sky high" limits- that is dangerous and horrible advice.
4- Raising my progesterone alongside my phytoestrogens daily is not a bad thing, it's much healthier and safer in regards to cancer risk. Especially since I seem to be ED. You are right, you DO need breaks from progesterone cream, not monthly, but every 2-3 months you should break while using it if you're using it the way that I am. Cycling monthly is GREAT though, and I'm not against that- so dont get me wrong. If you're hormones are balanced and there's no personal need to use it all month, then cycle. I agree with people that cycle. I personally am not cycling monthly.
BIO-IDENTICAL PROGESTERONE CREAM PROTECTS YOU FROM CANCER CAUSED BY ESTROGEN. If you are raising your estrogen levels, please think about adding in bio-identical progesterone cream to your program. Yes, cycle it. I'm not going to for a couple of months. I may at that time begin cycling. Stay away from synthetic progesterone if you can.
And also as I've stated, the amount of progesterone in progesterone cream is NO WHERE NEAR the levels you get from the Depo. Please do not go around touting the danger of progesterone while simultaneously telling people to up their estrogen, especially encouraging something as strong as PM while advising "no progesterone". If they listen to that advice, they raise their risk of cancer as well as other health issues.
*Also a little end note. The Depo shot is SUPPOSED to stop you from having a cycle. That's what it does. It tricks your body into thinking that it's already pregnant so you don't ovulate (release an egg). Stopping your cycle is NOT a side effect, it's the PURPOSE.
I'm sorry SurferJoe, I don't agree with you and since I previously thought that you had more knowledge on these subjects than I do, I asked for your advice. And you do seem to have more knowledge on certain things, just not what I addressed in this post. I DO appreciate your insigt on the other topics. The second you plugged your product on my program page though, your opinions lost credibility to me, especially considering your product is already clearly plugged in your signature. No need to push it on someone's thread. I commend you for doing research and creating your own product and I do hope it's successful for you. You seem to have good ingredients and a good system at a good price. I just don't think your opinions on certain things are accurate and some things that you promote are dangerous. I won't have that on my program page. Healthier, stable, continuous growth is ALWAYS better than fast, dangerous growth.