12-08-2014, 08:34
(This post was last modified: 13-08-2014, 06:19 by Charlie_girl.)
SurferJoe- amazing amount of info! Thank you so much for all of that & for putting in so much time & thought to your reply. Awesome!! I just went through each part with a reply. I thought that might be easier 
Here is where I defend Progesterone cream:
I haven't gotten a saliva test yet (I know, bad girl!) But I did a month and a half of NBE at the beginning of the year (just massage, herbs & progesterone cream). I added the PC because I had quite a few symptoms of estrogen dominance and honestly the PC made me feel better and my mood change was like night and day. Was back to being happy & laid back vs easily irritated and moody. And when I stopped it, after a while the symptoms came back, so I assume I was/am ED. I am getting it checked though to make sure- I don't want to jack up my hormones.
I'm also wanting to somewhat mildly mimick pregnancy hormones. MILDLY. In which case, it isnt cycled. There's no monthly highs and lows with estrogen and progesterone during pregnancy (although the levels of which are MUCH MUCH higher than what I'm doing. And it's not okay to raise your levels that high when you're not preg.)
****Upping your estrogen level without upping your progesterone level increases the risk of several types of cancer*****
Progesterone cream is NO WHERE NEAR as strong as progesterone vaginal suppositories that doctors prescribe for fertility issues & for maintaining high risk pregnancies that are at risk due to low progesterone levels. Also progesterone cream is not that strong compared to synthetic progesterone contained in the Depo-provera shot (medroxyprogesterone) especially, and also the mini pill (progesterone only birth control), and both of which are in your system ALL MONTH LONG, not cycled - no breaks. So, essentially, since I'm using phytoestrogens every single day, I feel it's safe to also use progesterone cream every single day, and it's actually probably safer this way, instead of allowing estrogen to dominate half the month. I also dont see a problem with someone using progesterone cream, then stopping the day before their period is notmally due, then starting back up after it ends, mimicing normal birth control.
Both progesterone and estrogen are at constantly elevating levels throughout pregnancy, until towards the end. Progesterone dominates estrogen until towards the end. Both of which contribute to tissue, glands, milk duct....basically breast development. Each also have many other roles in pregnancy, thats why the levels are so high. (Ladies- do not mimic the amount of these hormone levels. Keep yours MUCH lower than pregnancy levels.)
**Note: bio-identical progesterone cream is much safer to use than synthetic progesterone (progestin). Synthetic progesterone interferes with natural progesterone by blocking the progesterone receptors, as well as having many other negative side effects. Please ladies, do your research

(12-08-2014, 05:57)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Like PM, progesterone cream is very strong. Are you estrogen dominant? If not then I wouldn't take PC without PM, especially not without cycling. Or else it could throw you out of balance and lead to issues. Though tiny amounts could prevent some of the problems.
Here is where I defend Progesterone cream:
I haven't gotten a saliva test yet (I know, bad girl!) But I did a month and a half of NBE at the beginning of the year (just massage, herbs & progesterone cream). I added the PC because I had quite a few symptoms of estrogen dominance and honestly the PC made me feel better and my mood change was like night and day. Was back to being happy & laid back vs easily irritated and moody. And when I stopped it, after a while the symptoms came back, so I assume I was/am ED. I am getting it checked though to make sure- I don't want to jack up my hormones.
I'm also wanting to somewhat mildly mimick pregnancy hormones. MILDLY. In which case, it isnt cycled. There's no monthly highs and lows with estrogen and progesterone during pregnancy (although the levels of which are MUCH MUCH higher than what I'm doing. And it's not okay to raise your levels that high when you're not preg.)
****Upping your estrogen level without upping your progesterone level increases the risk of several types of cancer*****
Progesterone cream is NO WHERE NEAR as strong as progesterone vaginal suppositories that doctors prescribe for fertility issues & for maintaining high risk pregnancies that are at risk due to low progesterone levels. Also progesterone cream is not that strong compared to synthetic progesterone contained in the Depo-provera shot (medroxyprogesterone) especially, and also the mini pill (progesterone only birth control), and both of which are in your system ALL MONTH LONG, not cycled - no breaks. So, essentially, since I'm using phytoestrogens every single day, I feel it's safe to also use progesterone cream every single day, and it's actually probably safer this way, instead of allowing estrogen to dominate half the month. I also dont see a problem with someone using progesterone cream, then stopping the day before their period is notmally due, then starting back up after it ends, mimicing normal birth control.
Both progesterone and estrogen are at constantly elevating levels throughout pregnancy, until towards the end. Progesterone dominates estrogen until towards the end. Both of which contribute to tissue, glands, milk duct....basically breast development. Each also have many other roles in pregnancy, thats why the levels are so high. (Ladies- do not mimic the amount of these hormone levels. Keep yours MUCH lower than pregnancy levels.)
**Note: bio-identical progesterone cream is much safer to use than synthetic progesterone (progestin). Synthetic progesterone interferes with natural progesterone by blocking the progesterone receptors, as well as having many other negative side effects. Please ladies, do your research
