31-03-2010, 01:41
Wahaika,
Like you, I rely to a large extent on the information provided in the monographs at drugs.com. It is the copyrighted material by Wolters Kluver Health 2009 that indicates the fact the diosgenin is NOT metabolized.
http://www.drugs.com/npp/wild-yam.html
If you have an argument, you must settle it with WKH.
Personally, I am not a biochemist and have no way to verify whether it does or does not metabolize but yielding to them as a higher authority, I continue to believe it does not until I see scientific data to tell me otherwise.
You said
" The phytoestrogens, so called, are not plant estrogens. "
Stedman's medical dictionary says
"phytoestrogen
phytoestrogen Pronunciation: f-t-es-tr-jin A plant constituent with a structure similar to that of estrogen.
Medical Dictionary (Stedman's)
e.g. a plant estrogen
Phyto is the Greek word for plant.
It may be called genistein, diadzein, Glycestein --there are isoflavones from soy, a plant, otherwise known as phytoestrogens because these plant constituents are SIMILAR in their molecular structure to estrogens and they ACT LIKE estrogens. A rose by any other name?
So ,fenugfreek, a plant, may have the most diosgenin of any herb, but it is still a phyto-estrogen and according to the monograph is drugs.com, it does not metabolize.
So I am not certain now how "no tingles" has been disproved. I simply replied to a post with a quote from a scientific article.
If I'm missing something here, I apologize for being THICK headed.
I'll keep my name, thank you.
Like you, I rely to a large extent on the information provided in the monographs at drugs.com. It is the copyrighted material by Wolters Kluver Health 2009 that indicates the fact the diosgenin is NOT metabolized.
http://www.drugs.com/npp/wild-yam.html
If you have an argument, you must settle it with WKH.
Personally, I am not a biochemist and have no way to verify whether it does or does not metabolize but yielding to them as a higher authority, I continue to believe it does not until I see scientific data to tell me otherwise.
You said
" The phytoestrogens, so called, are not plant estrogens. "
Stedman's medical dictionary says
"phytoestrogen
phytoestrogen Pronunciation: f-t-es-tr-jin A plant constituent with a structure similar to that of estrogen.
Medical Dictionary (Stedman's)
e.g. a plant estrogen
Phyto is the Greek word for plant.
It may be called genistein, diadzein, Glycestein --there are isoflavones from soy, a plant, otherwise known as phytoestrogens because these plant constituents are SIMILAR in their molecular structure to estrogens and they ACT LIKE estrogens. A rose by any other name?
So ,fenugfreek, a plant, may have the most diosgenin of any herb, but it is still a phyto-estrogen and according to the monograph is drugs.com, it does not metabolize.
So I am not certain now how "no tingles" has been disproved. I simply replied to a post with a quote from a scientific article.
If I'm missing something here, I apologize for being THICK headed.
I'll keep my name, thank you.