(16-10-2018, 07:48 PM)bosekk Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Jannie I think it’s a relief to know what’s going on in your body with all those tests. Your focus is to heal, and cut off possible cause of your symptoms. For those who are using breast pump devices, I reviewed Brava, which is FDA And clinically proven. It remains the pressure level precisely around 2~3.3kPa(15~25mmHg). What exactly does it mean? It’s the level that won’t cut off capillary blood flow. Chinese cupping actually makes capillary damaged and bleeded, but that was suggested for no more than 10 mins,3 times per month. Since breast pump is a long term process, you need to make sure to maintain stable low pressure. Any hand pump, including noogleberry, is an imprecise and potentially dangerous mimic of brava system. I dont give much credit for the noogleberry designer, they forgo the most impotent issue-a safe and effective pressure monitor. So it becomes a try at your own risk thing.
Don’t get me wrong I still want to use my breast pump device, (not noogleberry, but they are pretty much same products, not like noogleberry has a patent) Just found out you can buy a separate hand pump with pressure gauge. I was wondering initially why some pumps are more expensive, now it make sense. I will get a pump with pressure gauge, and double check brava system’s pressure range. It will still be a try at my own risk thing, but hey I am born with small boobs and I wanna change them by taking some risks
Sounds like a pressure gauge should be put on to make this process safer? We hVe no idea while using the noogleberry how much pressure is being used.
I’m sure we have all at lease once overpumped and done damage. I did myself way back when.
(16-10-2018, 08:10 PM)bosekk Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 07:48 PM)bosekk Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Jannie I think it’s a relief to know what’s going on in your body with all those tests. Your focus is to heal, and cut off possible cause of your symptoms. For those who are using breast pump devices, I reviewed Brava, which is FDA And clinically proven. It remains the pressure level precisely around 2~3.3kPa(15~25mmHg). What exactly does it mean? It’s the level that won’t cut off capillary blood flow. Chinese cupping actually makes capillary damaged and bleeded, but that was suggested for no more than 10 mins,3 times per month. Since breast pump is a long term process, you need to make sure to maintain stable low pressure. Any hand pump, including noogleberry, is an imprecise and potentially dangerous mimic of brava system. I dont give much credit for the noogleberry designer, they forgo the most impotent issue-a safe and effective pressure monitor. So it becomes a try at your own risk thing.
Don’t get me wrong I still want to use my breast pump device, (not noogleberry, but they are pretty much same products, not like noogleberry has a patent) Just found out you can buy a separate hand pump with pressure gauge. I was wondering initially why some pumps are more expensive, now it make sense. I will get a pump with pressure gauge, and double check brava system’s pressure range. It will still be a try at my own risk thing, but hey I am born with small boobs and I wanna change them by taking some risks
Hi Bosekk, we produced a hand pump with a pressure gauge over 10 years ago and have been recommending it with our systems ever since. Im happy to post a link to it on our site but not sure if im allowed to, but its available under the ‘hand pump’ section of the Noogleberry website. Customers are given the option to upgrade very inexpensively when they buy a system or they can buy it later if required.
best wishes
Lucy
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(16-10-2018, 10:56 PM)EllaC Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a pressure gauge should be put on to make this process safer? We hVe no idea while using the noogleberry how much pressure is being used.
I’m sure we have all at lease once overpumped and done damage. I did myself way back when.
Hi EllaC, just to reassure you, please see my reply to Bosekk,
best wishes
Lucy
(16-10-2018, 12:01 PM)Fruitcake Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:51 AM)hannah Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:14 AM)Lucynoogle Wrote: [ -> ]Dear forum members,
I have today been made aware of this post on your forum and would value the opportunity to respond, firstly to reassure users of our products and also to be able clarify some incorrect information about me and my company. I have been developing and producing the Noogleberry system over the last 15 years and i would like to reassure you that in all this time, there has never been a case of harm or long lasting damage caused by the system brought to my attention. I have used the system throughout this time and if i thought it would cause damage to anyone's health i would certainly not promote it. It has been my life’s work and passion, to develop an affordable, non-surgical and safe method for breast enlargement and I am certainly not profiting significantly from my work. I have ploughed my time and money into this cause and often i will give my products away for free or at cost to me in order to help those less fortunate or who are struggling. I could have behaved like other companies and promised many things from our systems knowing full well that these could not be full-filled. To the contrary, i am always very honest with customers and will often advise them not to buy if i do not feel it is appropriate. My systems are not medical devices, but can be supportive treatment systems to compliment and augment other therapies. We always advise users to use the system in line with our safety guidelines, and the times when i have experienced users problems is when they have increased the pressure or time with the system. The system will NOT cause problems in other parts of the body such as the lower limbs etc and i have never heard of such side effects from pumping.
Many plastic surgeons and other physicians use and recommend our systems to their patients for use, pre-fat transfer, pre-op and post explantation of implants etc. You can read about one plastic surgeon we have worked closely with over the last couple of years here: https://www.noogleberry.com/blog/plastic...estimonial
Over the last 15 years, not one of them have reported any unexpected side effects or long term damage. The use of my systems within the medical field is increasing especially since the implant scandals. This is because physicians know that it is an extremely safe method of tissue growth. This is not a new technique and has been in existence for many decades in the form of saline tissue expanders etc. Our system is a safer method.
You will see from the Noogleberry forum that we have many many very happy users both females and males. If damage from the system was an issue, we would soon know about this on our forum which is totally unedited. I am always very proactive when users email me with any issues or problems and i will always stand by my systems because i know they are safe. If you have any further concerns or would like me to clarify the above, just let me know either on here or contact me privately.
Really disapointing this, the spokesperson of Noogleberry cant even reply on the content thats beeing written. I see you just say we are all lyers here, why do reply? Only to guarantee future revenue? And very funny you refer to the medical field AGAIN while your noogle system is developed in India or another primitive country. And this matters because if you knew anything about the medical procedures that are beeing done, you know it takes at least 10-15 -testing-years before you can launch something. You and your pump are highly unprofessional in medical terms so please dont make yourself ridiculous just bc one surgeon tried it with your pump once and nothing happened. Also at your forum theres Stories about numbness, funny thing is you never go in on what they say. Now again, you just say we are a bunch of lyers making false claims and it is impossible... show us proof, look at the ugly nipples girls have gotten from it. Or did you miss all these pictures?
I have been mailing you like yeaars ago, and you wanted to put a lawyer on me lol...but you never heard complaints no? You really are in denial, to secure your stupid company. With fake forum pics and all. Go ahead make my day, the more you write the less people believe in your product. Its confirmed again we are lyers and nobody suffered damage from your product.. think we should all start pumping again...
Has everyone stopped noogling now? Im confused. I believe there are side effects to everything but i havent stopped noogling. Jenniferlove had amazing results- not sure if she retained them now after she has stopped due to nerve damage.. i have been using it for nearly two years now. My progress is not brilliant nonetheless i am bigger than before and i dont even religiously noogle. Could it not be over pumping that has caused the issue just like taking too much herbs can have an affect on our hormones etc? Im confused truly am. Im still using it- im really not biased when it comes to noogling nor am i endorsing their products but it feels like noogleberry success has taken a massive u turn.
Hi Fruitcake, just to reassure you that we are still going strong and developing new designs and products to help with NBE. We will have some exciting news hopefully early in the new year. We are working even more closely with our medical partners to ensure that our products meet their patients needs and we always take on board expert advice. I stand by our products 100% and i can categorically say that no evidence has ever been presented to me our my company showing a link between the use of our systems and nerve damage.
best wishes
Lucy
(17-10-2018, 12:23 AM)Lucynoogle Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 12:01 PM)Fruitcake Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:51 AM)hannah Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:14 AM)Lucynoogle Wrote: [ -> ]Dear forum members,
I have today been made aware of this post on your forum and would value the opportunity to respond, firstly to reassure users of our products and also to be able clarify some incorrect information about me and my company. I have been developing and producing the Noogleberry system over the last 15 years and i would like to reassure you that in all this time, there has never been a case of harm or long lasting damage caused by the system brought to my attention. I have used the system throughout this time and if i thought it would cause damage to anyone's health i would certainly not promote it. It has been my life’s work and passion, to develop an affordable, non-surgical and safe method for breast enlargement and I am certainly not profiting significantly from my work. I have ploughed my time and money into this cause and often i will give my products away for free or at cost to me in order to help those less fortunate or who are struggling. I could have behaved like other companies and promised many things from our systems knowing full well that these could not be full-filled. To the contrary, i am always very honest with customers and will often advise them not to buy if i do not feel it is appropriate. My systems are not medical devices, but can be supportive treatment systems to compliment and augment other therapies. We always advise users to use the system in line with our safety guidelines, and the times when i have experienced users problems is when they have increased the pressure or time with the system. The system will NOT cause problems in other parts of the body such as the lower limbs etc and i have never heard of such side effects from pumping.
Many plastic surgeons and other physicians use and recommend our systems to their patients for use, pre-fat transfer, pre-op and post explantation of implants etc. You can read about one plastic surgeon we have worked closely with over the last couple of years here: https://www.noogleberry.com/blog/plastic...estimonial
Over the last 15 years, not one of them have reported any unexpected side effects or long term damage. The use of my systems within the medical field is increasing especially since the implant scandals. This is because physicians know that it is an extremely safe method of tissue growth. This is not a new technique and has been in existence for many decades in the form of saline tissue expanders etc. Our system is a safer method.
You will see from the Noogleberry forum that we have many many very happy users both females and males. If damage from the system was an issue, we would soon know about this on our forum which is totally unedited. I am always very proactive when users email me with any issues or problems and i will always stand by my systems because i know they are safe. If you have any further concerns or would like me to clarify the above, just let me know either on here or contact me privately.
Really disapointing this, the spokesperson of Noogleberry cant even reply on the content thats beeing written. I see you just say we are all lyers here, why do reply? Only to guarantee future revenue? And very funny you refer to the medical field AGAIN while your noogle system is developed in India or another primitive country. And this matters because if you knew anything about the medical procedures that are beeing done, you know it takes at least 10-15 -testing-years before you can launch something. You and your pump are highly unprofessional in medical terms so please dont make yourself ridiculous just bc one surgeon tried it with your pump once and nothing happened. Also at your forum theres Stories about numbness, funny thing is you never go in on what they say. Now again, you just say we are a bunch of lyers making false claims and it is impossible... show us proof, look at the ugly nipples girls have gotten from it. Or did you miss all these pictures?
I have been mailing you like yeaars ago, and you wanted to put a lawyer on me lol...but you never heard complaints no? You really are in denial, to secure your stupid company. With fake forum pics and all. Go ahead make my day, the more you write the less people believe in your product. Its confirmed again we are lyers and nobody suffered damage from your product.. think we should all start pumping again...
Has everyone stopped noogling now? Im confused. I believe there are side effects to everything but i havent stopped noogling. Jenniferlove had amazing results- not sure if she retained them now after she has stopped due to nerve damage.. i have been using it for nearly two years now. My progress is not brilliant nonetheless i am bigger than before and i dont even religiously noogle. Could it not be over pumping that has caused the issue just like taking too much herbs can have an affect on our hormones etc? Im confused truly am. Im still using it- im really not biased when it comes to noogling nor am i endorsing their products but it feels like noogleberry success has taken a massive u turn.
Hi Fruitcake, just to reassure you that we are still going strong and developing new designs and products to help with NBE. We will have some exciting news hopefully early in the new year. We are working even more closely with our medical partners to ensure that our products meet their patients needs and we always take on board expert advice. I stand by our products 100% and i can categorically say that no evidence has ever been presented to me our my company showing a link between the use of our systems and nerve damage.
best wishes
Lucy
Probably because most people are too embarassed to admit to their doctor or a lawyer how they achieved their damage. I can assure you the noogleberry was the top contributor to what has happened to me as the numbness began very early on with my pumping. It just took a long while for the damage to become chronic. The gauge should be a mandatory pump. The other should not even be available for sale.
(17-10-2018, 03:01 AM)Jenniferlove Wrote: [ -> ] (17-10-2018, 12:23 AM)Lucynoogle Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 12:01 PM)Fruitcake Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:51 AM)hannah Wrote: [ -> ] (16-10-2018, 10:14 AM)Lucynoogle Wrote: [ -> ]Dear forum members,
I have today been made aware of this post on your forum and would value the opportunity to respond, firstly to reassure users of our products and also to be able clarify some incorrect information about me and my company. I have been developing and producing the Noogleberry system over the last 15 years and i would like to reassure you that in all this time, there has never been a case of harm or long lasting damage caused by the system brought to my attention. I have used the system throughout this time and if i thought it would cause damage to anyone's health i would certainly not promote it. It has been my life’s work and passion, to develop an affordable, non-surgical and safe method for breast enlargement and I am certainly not profiting significantly from my work. I have ploughed my time and money into this cause and often i will give my products away for free or at cost to me in order to help those less fortunate or who are struggling. I could have behaved like other companies and promised many things from our systems knowing full well that these could not be full-filled. To the contrary, i am always very honest with customers and will often advise them not to buy if i do not feel it is appropriate. My systems are not medical devices, but can be supportive treatment systems to compliment and augment other therapies. We always advise users to use the system in line with our safety guidelines, and the times when i have experienced users problems is when they have increased the pressure or time with the system. The system will NOT cause problems in other parts of the body such as the lower limbs etc and i have never heard of such side effects from pumping.
Many plastic surgeons and other physicians use and recommend our systems to their patients for use, pre-fat transfer, pre-op and post explantation of implants etc. You can read about one plastic surgeon we have worked closely with over the last couple of years here: https://www.noogleberry.com/blog/plastic...estimonial
Over the last 15 years, not one of them have reported any unexpected side effects or long term damage. The use of my systems within the medical field is increasing especially since the implant scandals. This is because physicians know that it is an extremely safe method of tissue growth. This is not a new technique and has been in existence for many decades in the form of saline tissue expanders etc. Our system is a safer method.
You will see from the Noogleberry forum that we have many many very happy users both females and males. If damage from the system was an issue, we would soon know about this on our forum which is totally unedited. I am always very proactive when users email me with any issues or problems and i will always stand by my systems because i know they are safe. If you have any further concerns or would like me to clarify the above, just let me know either on here or contact me privately.
Really disapointing this, the spokesperson of Noogleberry cant even reply on the content thats beeing written. I see you just say we are all lyers here, why do reply? Only to guarantee future revenue? And very funny you refer to the medical field AGAIN while your noogle system is developed in India or another primitive country. And this matters because if you knew anything about the medical procedures that are beeing done, you know it takes at least 10-15 -testing-years before you can launch something. You and your pump are highly unprofessional in medical terms so please dont make yourself ridiculous just bc one surgeon tried it with your pump once and nothing happened. Also at your forum theres Stories about numbness, funny thing is you never go in on what they say. Now again, you just say we are a bunch of lyers making false claims and it is impossible... show us proof, look at the ugly nipples girls have gotten from it. Or did you miss all these pictures?
I have been mailing you like yeaars ago, and you wanted to put a lawyer on me lol...but you never heard complaints no? You really are in denial, to secure your stupid company. With fake forum pics and all. Go ahead make my day, the more you write the less people believe in your product. Its confirmed again we are lyers and nobody suffered damage from your product.. think we should all start pumping again...
Has everyone stopped noogling now? Im confused. I believe there are side effects to everything but i havent stopped noogling. Jenniferlove had amazing results- not sure if she retained them now after she has stopped due to nerve damage.. i have been using it for nearly two years now. My progress is not brilliant nonetheless i am bigger than before and i dont even religiously noogle. Could it not be over pumping that has caused the issue just like taking too much herbs can have an affect on our hormones etc? Im confused truly am. Im still using it- im really not biased when it comes to noogling nor am i endorsing their products but it feels like noogleberry success has taken a massive u turn.
Hi Fruitcake, just to reassure you that we are still going strong and developing new designs and products to help with NBE. We will have some exciting news hopefully early in the new year. We are working even more closely with our medical partners to ensure that our products meet their patients needs and we always take on board expert advice. I stand by our products 100% and i can categorically say that no evidence has ever been presented to me our my company showing a link between the use of our systems and nerve damage.
best wishes
Lucy
Probably because most people are too embarassed to admit to their doctor or a lawyer how they achieved their damage. I can assure you the noogleberry was the top contributor to what has happened to me as the numbness began very early on with my pumping. It just took a long while for the damage to become chronic. The gauge should be a mandatory pump. The other should not even be available for sale.
I am not disputing that you have some symptoms, however our system is not the cause. Your goal was to go from a 34A/small B to 34DD/E. Can i suggest to you that maybe your goals were too high in terms of what you body could accommodate and what our system could achieve. We would never suggest that an increase of this size is achievable or even safe and realistic. We have an extremely good relationship with 100’s of our customers who contact me for support and advice regularly and i can honestly say categorically that what you have described has not been reported to me or any of the surgeons who i work with. Even if we made it compulsory for users to buy the gauged hand pump, this would not stop users pumping beyond what is considered a safe and comfortable level.
best wishes
Lucy
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I am not disputing that you have some symptoms, however our system is not the cause. Your goal was to go from a 34A/small B to 34DD/E. Can i suggest to you that maybe your goals were too high in terms of what you body could accommodate and what our system could achieve. We would never suggest that an increase of this size is achievable or even safe and realistic. We have an extremely good relationship with 100’s of our customers who contact me for support and advice regularly and i can honestly say categorically that what you have described has not been reported to me or any of the surgeons who i work with. Even if we made it compulsory for users to buy the gauged hand pump, this would not stop users pumping beyond what is considered a safe and comfortable level.
best wishes
Lucy
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How dare you say your system is not the cause, and shame me in the process! Although you then go on to say in the rest of your paragraph that maybe I went too hard which implies it was your system so which one is it Lucy? You seem to out yourself by acknowledging that. Most importantly, you are not a doctor so you cannot tell me what caused the damage. You are a businesswoman protecting your assets. It is obvious that a suction device like this can cause very serious damage. When I have more time I will start pulling up all the threads on this forum that discuss pumping too hard and the damage people have received from doing so.
There are hundreds if not thousands of girls on this forum alone complaining about broken capillaries and purple breasts not going back to normal immediately after pumping. That happened to me the first time I pumped and it completely freaked me out! It took a couple days for the superficial capillaries to heal. Now imagine doing that for four years regularly. Larger veins are being suctioned as well and becoming exhausted from the constant pulling. This suction is pulling on the most important veins right next to our neck and heart. You don’t think real damage will accumulate?
This is business 101 mind you that she's doing. Deny, deny, deny any wrongdoing of your company until proven guilty. THEN, focus on damage control. One of my doctors is beginning to think I have vascular neuropothy which IS caused by a damaged vessel. We are getting closer to figuring this out.
(17-10-2018, 05:26 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='203141' dateline='1539741671']
I am not disputing that you have some symptoms, however our system is not the cause. Your goal was to go from a 34A/small B to 34DD/E. Can i suggest to you that maybe your goals were too high in terms of what you body could accommodate and what our system could achieve. We would never suggest that an increase of this size is achievable or even safe and realistic. We have an extremely good relationship with 100’s of our customers who contact me for support and advice regularly and i can honestly say categorically that what you have described has not been reported to me or any of the surgeons who i work with. Even if we made it compulsory for users to buy the gauged hand pump, this would not stop users pumping beyond what is considered a safe and comfortable level.
best wishes
Lucy
How dare you say your system is not the cause, and shame me in the process! Although you then go on to say in the rest of your paragraph that maybe I went too hard which implies it was your system so which one is it Lucy? You seem to out yourself by acknowledging that. Most importantly, you are not a doctor so you cannot tell me what caused the damage. You are a businesswoman protecting your assets. It is obvious that a suction device like this can cause very serious damage. When I have more time I will start pulling up all the threads on this forum that discuss pumping too hard and the damage people have received from doing so.
There are hundreds if not thousands of girls on this forum alone complaining about broken capillaries and purple breasts not going back to normal immediately after pumping. That happened to me the first time I pumped and it completely freaked me out! It took a couple days for the superficial capillaries to heal. Now imagine doing that for four years regularly. Larger veins are being suctioned as well and becoming exhausted from the constant pulling. This suction is pulling on the most important veins right next to our neck and heart. You don’t think real damage will accumulate?
This is business 101 mind you that she's doing. Deny, deny, deny and wrongdoing of your company until proven guilty. THEN, focus on damage control. One of my doctors is beginning to think I have vascular neuropothy which IS caused by a damaged vessel. We are getting closer to figuring this out.
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I have stayed quiet for long enough but felt you had crossed the line in terms of what is an acceptable forum based discussion and what is bordering on slander and scaremongering. I have every right to reply to these posts and in fact i am in a no win situation. I was called a coward and a shark when i remained silent out of respect for you and then when i make a reply, i am damned. I simply cannot win, so i may as well reply again anyway.
Experiencing side effects from pumping is normal and i have never denied that. Our forum has photos and posts from users who have reddening and bruising etc and this can happen especially when users first start pumping. We give advice about this in our instructions. These are temporary. You have previously said that perhaps you did over pump and i am surprised that you continued using the system for 4 years especially if it was pulling in the veins of your neck. We would never give such advice and in fact our advice is always to stop pumping if significant discomfort and reddening is caused.
I am glad that your doctor may have arrived at a diagnosis. Vascular neuropathy can be caused by a whole range of reasons such as blood disorders, medications, herbal medicines, smoking , alcohol , diabetes, life style etc. Using the system on the breasts will not cause systemic vascular neuropathy. I feel its important for you that you find the underlying reason so this can be treated. I respectfully ask that until you have a definitive diagnosis and cause, you refrain from making further accusations directed at me. Obviously if you want my support and help, then i am always contactable.
I do not want your support. I want advise from doctors. How do I know you are the underlying cause? Because when I would PUMP my arm would go numb. Not other times. A couple months ago I pumped for my last time when my entire arm went numb and did not come back. It is still numb.
Smoking, herbs, etc. etc. can weaken veins, sure. But your system will throw us over the edge. You don't think you have people who smoke, drink coffee, etc.? That puts them at a greater risk. I live an extremely healthy lifestyle, but was possibly over-pumping (INNOCENTLY) because I had no way of knowing what is considered TOO MUCH. Does that make sense?
The fact that you say, "It's not my system's fault" then proceed to spend the rest of your comment saying "You set your goals too high, you over-pumped beyond what is considered a safe and comfortable level". You ADMIT it is your system that is contributing to damage. You are stabbing yourself in the back by admitting your system may be at fault but in the same sentence taking no responsibility. This is not slander. This is called FRUSTRATION. A shark will try to silence people from speaking up against the damage caused by that person. This is also referred to as "projection," a classic narcissistic tactic to divert one's shortcoming and hold other's accountable for them.
I can see you trying to get my account shut down on here Lucy but I can assure you that I will come back louder if you do.