(12-11-2012, 07:52 PM)angel34 Wrote: [ -> ]There cant even be very much collagen in whitex. 1 package a day is reccomended, and the main ingredient is 366 mg of egg shell membrane, and only 88MG of hyaluronic acid. I was looking at the biocell collagen website, Its a low molecular weight collagen (and it does do comparisons with egg shell membrane), and the recommended dose it close for collagen to 3,000 -4,000MG per day.
http://biocellcollagen.com/biocell
Whitex
Main component content (1.5g in 1 package)
Egg powder 366mg cornea, placenta extract powder 183mg (from pigs), 110mg (containing astaxanthin), 88mg hyaluronic acid, vitamin C73mg dye Haematococcus algae, grape seed extract 59mg (containing proanthocyanidins), shark cartilage extract (containing chondroitin) 37mg
Maruman placenta suggests 500mg a day, you could take 250 mg for like $15 a month and 2,000 mg of the Biocell for $20 a month. I bet the Whitex is good stuff, but VERY overpriced. The algae and grape seed look like they are for antioxidents which you could get from fresh berries.
You do realize that your simple Whitex substitution of the Egg shell membrane is missing a equivalent to the single biggest ingredient (~1/2) in Whitex ..
Sorry, but this simple solution would result in a Loss of a key element in that formula by omiting the Egg Shell Membrane ingredient that is GROWTH FACTOR B which is responsible for tissue enhancement and differentiation. There is also collagen & elastin and 2 cofactor amino acid's for elastin (elastin is important for helping with shape and stretching of skin, stretching glandulars etc.)
As for the pig placenta.. are you sure Maruman material is handled with care.. if the drying process is too hot, it will denature many if not all of the enzymes making them useless as well as other proteins, hormone cofactors, mRNA etc. Consuming glandulars ideally whould be done raw, but realistically that is impossible. Did you know that when a Lion takes down an animal, it 1st consumes all of the glandular internal orgams then goes the meat as the glandulars are by far the most nutritious part of the kill. It's not just about the meat and proteins, its about everything else that Westerners like us do not account for in our diet; especially natural enzymes that are sensitive to handling.
As for the rest, I would tend to agree ie Shark cartildge, GrapeSeedExtract that probably any form is ok.
Sorry, but your substitution formula is NO where equivalent to Whitex.
The main reason I brought this up in a bit of detail is simply because people are often confused why there are not getting results and get confused because they believe they are making assumptions on substituions that are simply not valid. By no means if taking Whitex a guarantee to getting results, however, just taking pig placenta, HA and some "type" of collagen and assuming its the same thing or good enough or close enough.. Sorry, it just very simply is not even close to pretending that is it.
Sure, you are saving a few dollars, but you're doing your own experiment at the point and one that can take 3, 6, 12months to find out if your formulating correctly against what someone else did. In the end, you might just give up on NBE but you will never know if what cause of you being a poor responder or if your substitution "cocktail" was poorly conceived. I`m by no way saying you shouldn`t experiment and come up with your own witch`s brew with many different phyto`s, glandulars, oils, herbs etc. just be aware that there is no such thing as a simple substitution. Western science is at it`s infancy in understanding plant medicine and how plant RAW vs. COOKED has impact on nutrition let alone trying to understand glandular consumption and it`s impact on physiology.
Looking to older medical systems like TCM, Aryuveda, Egyptian, Native American medicine for `guidance` and as a place to start a hyptothesis and understanding is very very much important. 1,000`s of years of experience can mean a lot more then a simple GC-MS (gas chromatography-mass spec) scan of a plant part.
Reminds me of the fad in juicing, people dont realize that cheap centrifugal juices destroy the SINGLE most important nutrient in plants.. ENZYMES! Sure the antioxidants, vitamins and minerals are important but the key component in a raw food is plant enzymes. Similar to why the practice of pasteurization of milk is such a horrendous thing. It basically destroys some of the absolute most vital and key components of consuming milk. CALCIUM is one of the least important factors in milk. Lactose is just sugar. Its all the other stuff that pretty much gets rendered useless by high heat.
So RAW milk isnt the same as Pasteurized milk. Same thing can happen with Glanular consumption.