16-07-2012, 10:32 AM
(15-07-2012, 05:52 PM)Isabelle Wrote: Hi Karen,
Quite a few people write that fenugreek ups prolactin, and that the increase in progesterone is a consequence of that. I write "would" because I wonder how they know. It's a chicken and egg situation. Science measures only correlations, no causal relations in this field.
Progesterone balances the effects of excess estrogen. The result is that the symptoms of estrogen dominance do not appear. I don't think the hormone levels change.
Twenty minutes to an hour and a half is OK between fenugreek and carbs. I usually leave twenty minutes in between, because my jar of powdered fenugreek seeds sits between the kitchen herbs. I use it when I start cooking.
Thanks ... so here's the latest.
I dropped Saw Palmetto. It seemed like as I added SP the signs of Estrogen became less. That when I started to research and started to find a "sufficient number" of non-advertising type posts that talked about SP having an anti-estrogen effect. That's when I asked your thoughts.
I did get some spearmint tea last week .... that seems to have only anti-androgen effects .... I'll drink that several times during the day.
I also am trying something else. This morning I took 3,000 mg of my Liquid Hops Extract with WATER. On an empty stomach (except for my morning coffee ... don't mess with my morning coffee ) I'm looking for that to be a decent shot of anti-androgen to start with my morning application of Testim.
When I get home from work .... at which time it will be several hours since I ate ... I'm thinking of having another booster of Hops in WATER.
I think I'm going to hold off on Fenugreek as I let the SP get out of my body and hopefully feel signs of Estrogen get strong again.
I can control that environment fairly easily ... I just have to be precise in what I take, take good notes, and pay attention.
Once I understand all of that I'll add my Hops Strobile with Oatmeal back into the mix before bedtime and see if it spikes my Estrogen signs ... I still haven't determined for sure if I create 8-pn with digested Hops ... there were always so many other variables going on.
Thanks for your help ....
Karen