(24-05-2012, 10:19 PM)Isabelle Wrote: Later, I found out milk thistle contains phyto-estrogens too. So the phyto-estrogens on the receptors in the breasts may just be replaced by different ones. That means my break was not very different from what Pansy Mae did, replacing PM with my hops program for a month. That helped for a while, but Pansy Mae did not start a prolonged, steady growth cycle like I did.
That's an interesting thought and one that hadn't occurred to me, but it does make some sense. This time last year I took a 4 week break from everything and two things happened:
(1) After about 10 days there was a noticeable decrease in boob volume as the fat moved away and that has never fully recovered, the volume loss at the top of my boobs appears to be permanent. Interestingly, I noticed a post from sfem a couple of days ago saying the same thing after her experimental break last October time. This means that I am somewhat paranoid about taking breaks!
(2) When I followed Isabelle's routine for about 4 or 5 weeks at the beginning of this year, there was no noticeable effect on my size one way or another, but the herbs ( probably Goats Rue in particular) did have unpleasant other effects on my body and I switched back to PM. There was no effect on size/growth, one way or the other but popping PM pills is is a lot quicker and easier than messing about with herbs and tea's However there must have been sufficient active ingredient in the herbs to prevent me starting to deflate.
Isabelle, any idea of the active ingredient comparison between Milk Thistle and PM? I'm thinking how much MT would I need to be equivalent in estrogenic terms to say 500 or 1000mg PM? Much as I doubt the need for liver cleansing per se, I've tried just about everything else and I'm willing to give ita go ut not at the risk of losing what I've got, so I would want to keep a maintenance dose of 'something'.
Finally, nobody has yet defined what a stall is and how you know you are suffering one, apart from the obvious lack of growth, which takes months to be sure has happened.