lil_dunny new cycle and new program

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:52 AM

Feb 14, 2007#1
- multivit
- cal/mag
- acidophilus
- need to replace my borage oil, "essential woman oils" for now
- st john's wort 350 mg x 3/day
- GABA 500 mg x 1/day
- bupleurum liver cleanse (herbal blend) 530 mg x 6/day

- fenugreek 620 mg x 3/day
- fennel 480 mg x 3/day
- red clover 200 mg x 3/day
- saw palmetto 585 x 1/day to start with...

massage: cocoa butter lotion with fennel and wild yam extracts 1-2 times a day
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Unread postFeb 14, 2007#2
previous cycle's program along with my stats: http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/t ... 169840469/
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Unread postFeb 16, 2007#3

got the borage oil along with flax seed oil; added to the prog today.

experiencing some shrinkage with the period; wondering whether to futz with herbs now or wait a few days.

considering adding (perhaps with next cycle) nettle to be used together with SP.

planning to try to stay off milk thistle for a little while longer; hopefully won't be needed (for skin)

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Unread postFeb 16, 2007#4

made the decision to add wild yam 500 mg x 1/day
nettle (tops) 300 mg x 3/day (more for liver than boobs per se)
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Unread postFeb 16, 2007#5

also free + easy wonderer (chinese formulation) 550 mg x 1/day - been a bit of a nervous chica lately, perhaps due to inadequate sleep
packing for 5 days (making pills baggies...), therefore trying to make sure my prog a) includes everything i might want for effectiveness and b) is not drastically different so that i don't, say, break out in acne or start fainting away from my herbs stash and unable to change anything
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Unread postFeb 16, 2007#6

at some point (this cycle?) increase sp to 3/day
add black cohosh - maybe
next cycle switch nettle tops for nettle root
go back on milk thistle
instead of wild yam 1/day take ginger and licorice 3/day each
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Unread postFeb 20, 2007#7

attribute some of the recent shrinkage to a bit of weight loss - weight fairly stable recently at 128-129.

will add back licorice; the idea: if the program works (i.e. previous cycle's), don't change the herbs (though maybe increase dosages) - duh.
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Unread postFeb 21, 2007#8

while the results were somewhat equivocal, it appears that i don't need red clover or wild yam (at least at the moment), and that increasing saw palmetto dosage will help.

updating the program as follows:

multivit 1/day
cal/mag 3/day
acidophilus 1/day
liver cleanse 2x530mg x 3/day

borage oil 3/day
flax oil 3/day

st john's wort 350mg x 3/day
holy basil 400mg x 3/day
nettle (leaf) 300mg x 3/day

fenugreek 620mg x 3/day
fennel 480mg x 3/day
licorice 450mg x 3/day
ginger 400mg x 3/day
saw palmetto 585mg x 3/day

that's a ****load of pills...
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Unread postFeb 22, 2007#9

was having doubts about saw palmetto, so dowsed again. saw palmetto is out, and red clover is back in. increasing fenugreek to 5 total caps/day (1 in the morn; 2 each midday and bedtime). the rest of the herbs seem like a good combo. getting more consistent answers with dowsing; happy about that though don't want to dowse too much yet
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Unread postFeb 23, 2007#10

will add natural progesterone cream during days 12-28 of the cycle, as suggested by waxingmoon

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:53 AM

temporarily added back milk thistle in max doses (up to 3 x 3 575mg capsules a day) as the old liver is crapping out on me - most likely due to experimentations in insobriety
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Unread postFeb 27, 2007#12

fenugreek increased to 3000 mg/day
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Unread postFeb 28, 2007#13

considering a week-long break from internal herbs starting march 6 til my period starts around the 13th.
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Unread postMar 02, 2007#14

all the extra fenugreek is making me cold, i think...
still planning to take that break; after the break will probably go back to original dosage of fenugreek, stop licorice for the moment being, maybe up the fennel, and introduce nettle root
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Unread postMar 02, 2007#15

need to get onto echinacea for 10 days and possibly yellow dock, if i can find it. ye olde body is breaking down on me...
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Unread postMar 05, 2007#16

looking forward to the week-long break on tuesday (?) as i am moody, irritable, crampy, headachy, light-headed, and constipated. it doesn't look like this much fenugreek is good for me.
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Unread postMar 05, 2007#17

... the titties look yummy though... i think the break will do me, and them, some good
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Unread postMar 06, 2007#18

ok, so i dowsed, and took out fennel and ginger, and reduced fenugreek, and kept everything else as is for now..
NB, due to an infection in my left palm have had to massage with my right hand only, which certainly reduced the overall time each of the boobies is getting massaged...
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Unread postMar 07, 2007#19

added nettle root at 250mg x 3/day, msm at 1000mg/day
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Unread postMar 08, 2007#20

okay, so i was kidding about a whole week-long break, but i still plan a day or two off right before my period (and then change up the routine a bit). added ginger extract into my massage lotion; seems to be working well (a bit more tingling after i'm done massaging). still massaging with one hand, but the infection seems almost gone so hopefully within a few days i will get back to being able to use both hands. i also like the progesterone cream - sometimes i massage it into the breasts and other times onto other areas - my breasts aren't nearly as sore as they were before the last period but there's at least as much fullness... which leads me to believe it's more actual growth, and less bloat.

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:54 AM

added vit e to my lotion... can't hurt, i figure. might help.
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Unread postMar 12, 2007#22

on a short break (day or two); using burdock to cleanse. still doing massage (one-handedly, goddamn the stupid hand infection). still using progesterone cream, till the period starts. breasts looking full but aren't tender, therefore not expecting much shrinkage.
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Unread postMar 13, 2007#23

* need to watch alcohol intake - bad for the liver; bad for estrogen absorption
* energy work, just like massages, needs to be done daily in order to be effective (can try to start throwing in some eft, if feeling emotionally stable)
* be thankful every day!
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Unread postMar 14, 2007#24

morning
- multivit
- cal/mag
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 575 mg echinacea

- 575 mg fenugreek
- 250 mg nettle root
- 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice

day
- multivit
- cal/mag
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 575 mg echinacea

- 575 mg fenugreek
- 250 mg nettle root
- 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice

eve
- 1g borage oil
- 1g chlorella
- 500 mg GABA
- acidophilus
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 575 mg echinacea

- 620 mg hops
- 250 mg nettle root
- 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice
___________

massage
energy work
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Unread postMar 16, 2007#25

don't like the vit e oil in my boobie lotion - seems to clog pores and cause acne. boobie acne, how unattractive. a small pinch of cayenne, on the other hand, doesn't seem like a bad idea - just a tad bit of extra warmth, not to be overdoing it. will see if i can find a liquid extract.
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Unread postMar 16, 2007#26

added 5-htp before bed... a bit of an anxious time at work, and i can feel the absence of that st john's

Whether you believe you can, or believe you can't, you're right.
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Unread postMar 16, 2007#27

stable low-ish weight these days, also (at around 126-127). not swimming much either, though sticking to the qigong fairly regularly

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Whether you believe you can, or believe you can't, you're right.
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Unread postMar 17, 2007#28

won't take 5-htp daily; not sure if i like how it works. added iron 18 mg once daily and yellow dock (for skin) 475 mg x 3/day
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Unread postMar 20, 2007#29

morning
- multivit
- cal/mag
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 475 mg yellow dock
- 575 mg fenugreek
- 250 mg nettle root
- 2 x 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice

day
- multivit
- cal/mag
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 475 mg yellow dock
- 575 mg fenugreek
- 250 mg nettle root
- 2 x 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice

eve
- 1g borage oil
- 1g chlorella
- 500 mg GABA
- 18 mg iron
- acidophilus
- 225 mcg kelp (iodine)
- 575 mg echinacea
- 600 mg milk thistle
- 530 mg liver cleanse
- 475 mg yellow dock
- 620 mg hops
- 650 mg red clover
- 250 mg nettle root
- 575 mg fennel
- 450 mg licorice
___________

massage
energy work
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Unread postMar 21, 2007#30

took nettle root out, upon reading that "at least six constituents of nettle root inhibit aromatase, reducing conversion of androgens to estrogens"

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:54 AM

upped milk thistle to 3 caps at a time.. lots of milk thistle
added back st john's wort twice daily at 575 mg
added back flax oil 500 mg x 3/day
added alfalfa 1000 mg x 3/day
added gingko 40 mg x 2/day

been miserable lately; done with the work-related stress; created tons of relationship stress... broken out... weight at 126 (which is neither good nor bad)... going on the trip on tue... i hope i haven't done irreparable damage to the relationship but i won't find out til after the trip.. transition off st john's was rough... going back on it since i'm not sure if i can handle him being distant as he is now, and be sufficiently cheerful on the trip, and not bottle myself in... well... all i can do at this point is do the best i can from now on..
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Unread postMar 25, 2007#32

the current program appears to be working well.. thinking of taking one day off right around ovulation time
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Unread postMar 26, 2007#33

for day off: milk thistle, nettle tops, yellow dock, burdock, aloe juice?
drop kelp, as exacerbates acne
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Unread postMar 27, 2007#34

terrible, terrible acne. can't help but wonder where i went wrong... and whether i should quit everything for a while. thinking it may be the iron tab as extra iron decreases zinc absorption and zinc deficiency does cause acne... thought i might need the extra iron cuz of the veg diet. everything else i've added lately should be kosher. but dang. tit acne. neck acne. it's unbearable. the thought of having the man see/touch this makes me wanna die.

taking out chlorella, taking out iron. craziness. going on a trip. packing all the daypacks of pills... sheer lunacy.
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Unread postApr 18, 2007#35

okay, most of vacation was a long-needed break which in part made me reassess my whole approach.. some volume was lost, along with some weight (came back @ 122lbs), but didn't seem catastrophic... period started on second day of being back (4-9), conveniently enough for me to start a new, somewhat simplified program as follows:

multivit x 2/day
yellow dock 475 x 3/day
burdock 430 x 2/day
GABA 750 once in the eve
acidophilus once daily
flax - 500 mg x 3/day
borage - 1000 mg in the eve
calmag x 2/day
ginkgo 40 mg x 2/day
sjw - 575 x 3/day (don't do so well without, yet)
holy basil - 450 x 3/day
mt - 575 x 3/day
fennel - 575 x 3/day
fenugreek - 575 x 3/day
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Unread postApr 18, 2007#36

seem to be doing well enough on the current program (i'm a little sore anyway, and it's only the 8th day of the cycle and i've even been smoking and drinking loads of caffeine); i think the break was a very good thing..

equivocal info out there on burdock; not sure whether to ditch it or not - some sources say it decreases blood estrogen (at the same time being an estrogen precursor - go figure) though it's apparently great for breasts in general, improving lymph drainage, decreasing fibrocysts etc

ditto with holy basil - not sure whether to ditch it or not... it decreases estrogen for sure but it also reduces stress, and i'm reading that stress causes HIGH estrogen and therefore estrogen-dominance.. and it's obvious enough that stress is bad for breast growth... i'm not super stressed now but i do tend towards anxiety... not sure if i'd do better with or without
maybe i'll try hops for anxiety, hehe

will try to (very gradually, this time!@!) reduce sjw

the current plan is to futz minimally; i think i'm going to try adding one herb per cycle (alfalfa, i think, and then licorice) and above all be patient as it seems like most quick changes aren't lasting but very gradually and through ups and downs something does change.

i'm hopeful because there are slight/subtle cognitive changes that go on for me at the same time and i believe the shape of the body has lots to do with one's self-perception and general outlook.
it's also encouraging that, while the formula vanity has received bad reviews, i did, in fact, have noticeable growth while on it for ~4 months (though after not taking it for a while it went away) - it tells me that i have pretty good growth potential

the other thing, breaks seem to be a good thing - perhaps something like 3.5 cycles on and 1/2 cycle off? or maybe try a more thorough break of a cycle and a half next time?
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Unread postApr 20, 2007#37

okay, well, it seems like too many cigs => shrinkage. also switching burdock for alfalfa (1000mg x 3/day) starting sat.
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Unread postApr 27, 2007#38

ditched the alfalfa, brought back the burdock. acne was looking like it was about to turn into a nasty breakout, though i wasn't exactly sure whether to attribute it to any herbs or drinking like a fish or smoking or overeating (been bad about that all week). at any rate, i did have a bad acne outbreak just over a month ago when i started alfalfa and again while it's really hard to say whether it was it or something else i took or something else i did, i've eliminated it again for now.
not having that good a luck this cycle (for a dozen potential reasons why :-\), though it does look like i have about half an inch lasting growth so far.
started incorporating some of the grow yours massage techniques, to be seen how much of those i'll end up doing. i'm not so sure i'm into the whole semi-permanent lactation idea, but i will see how it goes.
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Unread postMay 06, 2007#39

ginseng - or nettle leaf - or both - cause shrinkage
coconut oil in lotion also under suspicion
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Unread postMay 08, 2007#40

some mods: ditched ginseng, though i enjoyed its effect on my mood/energy
added ginger 400 mg 3/day
added hops 200 mg once in the eve
new cycle
contemplating adding oats; don't want to add too many things at once

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:55 AM

wonder what caused some of the shrinkage at the end of last cycle (when everything should be bigger, not smaller!) - took ginseng for maybe a week instead of ginkgo... took nettle leaf for maybe 3 days right before the period... was a bit disappointed to be regular size, instead of bigger, on sunday before the period, esp since there was a big social occasion. oh well, next time.
massage-wise trying to do more or pansyclub's kind; don't like grow yours idea at all. doing some push-ups now and again.
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Unread postMay 11, 2007#42

the lotion now consists of:
cocoa butter lotion (being phased out with pure cocoa butter)
tea tree oil
borage oil
fennel
wild yam
hops
ginger
ginseng

routine augmented to include l-tyrosine in the eve
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Unread postMay 11, 2007#43

took out oral ginger. didn't look to work the first time around, either..
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Unread postMay 11, 2007#44

PS it's possible that some of the recent shrinkage is due to recurring upper chest-to-armpit tension ("receding") due to insuffucient qigong/long time since last bodywork session/you-know-what at HW
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Unread postMay 15, 2007#45

trying to determine what i did wrong last cycle... back on gingko biloba. stopped push-ups, i think they were causing some of the "receding" into the armpit effect. wonder whether my massage is too rigorous? dunno. it's a bit discouraging. a (male) friend commented on the weekend that i've lost weight (which i guess i did), especially "in the middle". really, he might have as well just asked, where did your tits go? i wonder, myself. i hope they come back! feel smaller than in a long while
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Unread postMay 16, 2007#46

well, just for the heck of it, adding blessed thistle 390mg x 2/day. if none of this works for the rest of the cycle, perhaps time to take a break and change stuff more drastically....
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Unread postMay 16, 2007#47

added licorice also, at 450 mg x 3/day, seeing as i did well on it in the past... considering switching fennel for wild yam (more progesteronic?) and wondering whether i need saw palmetto? wish there was a quicker and surer way to tell whether a herb is working.
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Unread postMay 17, 2007#48

well, i looked at my in-progress pictures from dec 06 and the shrinkage doesn't look all _that_ catastrophic...
feel a bit plumper with blessed thistle and licorice, though of course it's only been a couple of days and it's too early to tell.
been swimming more, with more fast-paced efforts, as evidently it releases human growth hormone.
been doing more qigong, have to make sure to keep that up regularly
found a fantabulous site for bulk herbs: http://www.herbspicetea.com/scripts/sil ... _PLINID=33
very glad to see they have veg capsules. if current program works well, will order from them next.
thinking of subbing fennel for wild yam, then again if the program works perhaps best not to mess with it
stopped doing anything resembling grow yours as it's bunk, doing massage that's sorta like chi rotations and some pansyclub/acupoints.
will probably order subliminals/supraliminals from http://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=6FAXX&& to listen to while driving and at work, thank G for a computing job Smile

been working on cutting out (even more) sugar, and eating more nuts and seeds. really, besides the fact that i smoke (not daily, but often enough), drink (ditto), don't get enough sleep (6-8 hours on the average, could do nicely with an extra hour per night), and consume (not enormously high doses of) caffeine (mostly in the form of green tea, occasionally some coffee or black tea), i'm pretty disgustingly healthy, haha.
bigger boobs, here i come...
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Unread postMay 17, 2007#49

oh, yes - weight has been staying in the range of ~121-126 lbs..
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Unread postMay 18, 2007#50

multivit x 2/day
calmag x 2/day

acidophilus once in the eve

saint john's wort - 575 x 2/day
holy basil - 450 x 2/day

flax - 500 mg x 3/day
borage - 1000 mg in the eve

l-tyro - 500 once in the eve
GABA 750 once in the eve

yellow dock 475 x 3/day
burdock 500 x 2/day

milk thistle - 575 x 3/day
ginkgo 60 mg x 3/day

hops 200 once in the eve
blessed thistle 390 x 2/day

fennel - 575 x 3/day
fenugreek - 575 x 3/day
licorice - 450 x 3/day

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:56 AM

well, whatever i've been doing lately appears to work - over the last three days titties have certainly plumped up again..
hopefully the liver will continue to manage adequately
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Unread postMay 21, 2007#52

a bit of acne; hoping that it's because i've been drinking, rather than because of any herbs.
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Unread postMay 22, 2007#53

also taking 100 mg of 5-htp in the eve
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Unread postMay 22, 2007#54

i don't know why i'm sceptical of them. i should listen to more subliminals, or something.
at any rate, they definitely were plumper and felt sore this morn... they got a good long-ish massage last night... i've been listening to some subliminals and what-not... i had to up the milk thistle, for acne... it's now exactly mid-cycle
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Unread postMay 24, 2007#55

the soreness has subsided... i have a weird suspicion that it may be due to eating a hot lunch out of a plastic take-out box... seems like it may have happened before like that.. mmm, molten plastic in my rice and veg..

acne has subsided, either because of increased milk thistle, or cuz i haven't been drinking? who knows... having a bit of a cold at the moment.

anyways it may sound crazy but i've changed up the routine again, after having dowsed rather thoroughly. i (quite drastically) ditched l-tyro, yellow dock, licorice, and fennel. i upped hops to 2 caps in the eve, and added milky oat seed at 2 caps x 375mg/day

the updated prog is as follows:

multivit x 2/day
calmag x 2/day

acidophilus once in the eve

saint john's wort - 575 x 2/day
holy basil - 450 x 2/day

flax - 500 mg x 3/day
borage - 1000 mg in the eve

5-HTP - 100 once in the eve
GABA 750 once in the eve

burdock 500 x 2/day - might increase this if necessary
milk thistle - 575 x 3/day - might increase this if necessary

ginkgo 60 mg x 3/day
hops 400 (2 caps) once in the eve
blessed thistle 390 x 2/day
fenugreek - 575 x 3/day
milky oat seed - 375 x 2/day
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Unread postMay 24, 2007#56

i kept the fennel in, after all.

i will also be taking echinacea for a few days as i'm sick.

i will try not to futz with the prog anymore til after the period, to see whether the growth stays..
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Unread postMay 24, 2007#57

i took the fennel out, after all Smile

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luteal is a good time to take out anything extra
def needed to take out licorice as one shouldn't take it for over 6 weeks

i think that's it
i think i got a good prog now
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Unread postMay 25, 2007#58

thanks to dowsing advice from Wenonae, we're keeping the fennel in for now. yes, indeedy - fennel, blessed thistle, and oats are to be used in the beginning for a bit of a cleanse. i guess i'll drop them later. l-tyro appears to be a good thing as well, after all
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Unread postMay 30, 2007#59

liking the current herb selection. still sick with a cold. weekend in the forest. using a tad bit of progesterone cream upcoming to the period. discovered what seems to be a connection between feet and breasts - gotta keep those feet relaxed... listening to a bit of subliminals.
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Unread postJun 04, 2007#60

ended up taking a 1-day break. new cycle. will probably change up the herbs slightly around mid-cycle, i.e. reduce the fennel and up the oats slightly, or some such.

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:57 AM

plan: to take out GABA around mid-cycle, increase hops to maybe 3 caps each eve, possibly decrease fennel to 2 caps/day.
fifth day of the cycle. seen some shrinkage with the period, but overall looking good. weight somewhere right under 125, so proportionately i feel quite a bit better as tits are slightly bigger while everything else is slightly smaller. listening to some subliminals. drinking some herbal (mixed with green) tea. swimming and qigong are really nice for boobies.
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Unread postJun 12, 2007#62

that my maximum achievable size is 34 between B and C cup
that i can be between A and B cup by september this year
that achieving full potential will take 2+ years
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Unread postJun 12, 2007#63

upped fennel to 4 caps/day (added an extra cap in the eve)
upped hops to 3 caps/day (all in the eve)
switched to herb ginkgo at 575 mg, twice daily
burdock currently at 3 caps/day
milk thistle at 4 caps/day
ditched gaba
everything else as is

will work on the lotion

enjoying pleasant growing sensations
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Unread postJun 13, 2007#64

optimum boobie lotion ingredients (for me) are:
- cocoa butter
- hops
- ginger
- fenugreek
- tea tree oil
will work on getting liquid extract of fenugreek; for now just added a few caps to the mixture
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Unread postJun 13, 2007#65

ok, another nugget of information is that the massage lotion should consist _primarily_ of cocoa butter with additions of everything else, rather than the other way around...
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Unread postJun 20, 2007#66

took out oats
took out flax seed oil
blessed thistle now upped to 3 caps/day
ginkgo up to 3 caps/day
fennel down to 3 caps/day again
making small changes as it is midcycle and good time to do so. been a fairly slow cycle so far though ovulation definitely brought on some plumpness after the periodic shrinkage.
prog looks good though small adjustments will in all likelihood continue to be made

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Unread postJun 20, 2007#67

lotion:
4 droppers of fenugreek
4 droppers of hope
4 droppers of ginger
a good splash of tea tree oil
8 (medium) droppers of pure melted cocoa butter
(this quantity should be enough for a few days)

also took to eating shredded coconut
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Unread postJun 22, 2007#68

missing item from the prog:

need to actively channel energy to my breasts for at least 5 mins each eve. with everything in place i should be good to go for B cups by september this year.

(darned hand infection is happening again; taking garlic should help)
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Unread postJun 24, 2007#69

started taking garlic thursday eve and GSE friday... infection is better but i went through a pretty major detox reaction where i was feeling quite weak and sick for a couple-three days... i shrank as a result... i hope it's a temporary thing
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Unread postJul 11, 2007#70

added back flax seed oil 3 caps per day
taking garlic 2 caps a day, will finish the bottle and then stop
taking triphala 1 cap a day until the bottle is up
echinacea at 2 caps a day
everything else as is
gained a tad bit of weight
pleased with fairly minimal shrinkage after the period
took some pictures; compared with those of half a year ago - progress is slow but there. hoping, as the current formula was devised fairly recently, that things speed up soon.
aiming to smoke less - doesn't seem like it's very helpful - and perhaps even drink less, to put less burden on my (overworked, apparently) immune system. well, good luck to me with that.

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:57 AM

korean ginseng: 2x550mg
sjw: 2x575mg
holy basil: 2x500mg

multivit, calmag, b-complex
acidophilus
flax oil 3x500mg

triphala 1 cap in the eve
candida clear 2x2caps
garlic 2x525 mg

l-tyro: 500mg in the eve
5-htp 100 mg in the eve

milk thistle 3x600mg

hops 600mg in the eve
ginkgo 3x575 mg
fennel 3x575 mg
fenugreek 3x575 mg

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Unread postJul 27, 2007#72
Hiya BlackSheep-

I checked your regimen. Everything looks to be in great order for what you have listed. However, you will need to start checking about skin brushing (how many strokes, where on the body, using what brush) in about 1 month. It will help with flushing your system of the toxins of the minor ailment you're fighting. After that..your BE should take off.

Good luck.
Wen'
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Unread postAug 01, 2007#73

hmm forgot to list blessed thistle at 3x575 mg/day
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Unread postSep 07, 2007#74

switched to using sweet almond oil as lotion base. been doing skin brushing for around 3 weeks, fairly consistently.
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Unread postSep 12, 2007#75

ok. i've broken down and decided to record measurements. cuz otherwise it's hard for me to tell what's going on. now is the 9th day of my cycle, usually the smallest size of the month i get (yes, i shrink a bit during my period, but then i shrink even a bit more over the few days after the period), and the circumference under breasts on the breath-in is: 32"; over nipples on the breath-in: 33.5"

below are some historic measurements; 2005 is before i started anything (except tried some of wendi friesen), 2006 is at the end of the first BE attempt with vanity. it's clear that the weight it redistributing, although i still haven't been able to get it to settle in the tit area securely enough. in fact it would appear that the weight is moving from my hips and legs into my torso, and my actual tits are actually shrinking. screw that kind of BE. i will note that i went on a vegan diet in dec 2006.

4-15-05
breast: 31" under
33.5" over
waist: 27"
hips: 37"
leg: 22.25"
knee: 15.5"

5-6-06
breast: 31.5" under
34" over
waist: 27
hips: 36.25
leg: 21.75
knee: 15.5

6-20-07
breast: 31.75 under
34 over
waist: 28.25
hips: 35.75
leg: 21.3
knee: 15.25
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Unread postOct 01, 2007#76

highest measurement of this month: 34" over; 31.5" under
there's clearly some sort of a glitch in the measuring
have been swimming lots less as of late
took up a bit of hooping; been dancing more, doing a good amount of qigong. corrected some of how i'd been practicing reiki - seemed to help energetically
per Wen's recommendation, added some green apples and pears to the diet
everything else pretty much as is...
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Unread postOct 02, 2007#77

oral herbs/sups still as follows:

korean ginseng: 2x575mg
sjw: 2x575mg
holy basil: 2x500mg <- thinking of starting to self-cap this one as can't find it in bulk

multivit, calmag, b-complex
acidophilus
flax oil 3x500mg

triphala 1 cap in the eve
candida clear 2x2caps
garlic 2x500 mg

l-tyro: 500mg in the eve
5-htp 100 mg in the eve

milk thistle 3 or 4 x 600mg

hops 600mg in the eve <- self-capped, as of recently
ginkgo 3x575 mg
fennel 3x575 mg
fenugreek 3x575 mg
blessed thistle 3x575 mg/day
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Unread postOct 17, 2007#78

hops upped to 800 mg/eve. no news to report otherwise - well besides the fact that i've gained 10 lbs and am covered in acne. according to Wen everything is in place for BE and i am right about to start seeing actual results (meaning, besides not being able to fit into my pants???)... the more time passes the less i am inclined to believe any of this.
redowsing, just for the heck of it:
for best overall health and quickest, healthiest, and most lasting BE any changes are needed to my herbal/supplement intake: maybe
for best overall health changes needed: yes
items added? yes, increase milk thistle
items subtracted? no
for BE changes needed: no
it's possible to increase my breasts using methods i'm using: yes
.. while on a vegan diet: yes
.. while smoking the amount i smoke: yes
.. while drinking the amount i drink: yes
my diet is adequate for successful BE: yes
my lifestyle is sufficiently healthy for successful BE: yes
any blocks present to my BE: yes, emotional and mental
any actions missing from my BE routine that are necessary: yes, heating pad applied to [unclear] (of course, why on earth would it be clear).
so, well, once i get the heating pad thingie figured out i'm sure something else will crop up. though the current projection is, with added milk thistle and heating pad, C cups by december this year. yeah right.
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Unread postOct 25, 2007#79

it is now the end of this cycle, 3-4 days before my period. several sporadic days during this cycle it felt like my breasts were just about to grow, almost growing, starting to grow, but... the feeling and the plumpness would only linger for a day or two and then subside. they've been in a pretty good shape overall; throughout most of the cycle i've been wearing 32B bras, though a few days i still went down to 32A.
i've had some acne recently, and the skin infection on my hand has resurfaced a little... so i need to continue watching my diet quite closely, as i had loosened up a good deal. really minimize the carbs - fruit and simple grains, and i think i've been eating too many almonds - and go heavy on collards and protein, which should also help with the bit of yo-yo weight change.
i purchased a heating pad and was very irritated, upon opening the box and unpacking the product, to find out that its cord contains lead (on a health-related product at that! really an outrage). i won't use the heating pad and hopefully i can send it back, even though it is unpacked. on the positive side i've gotten indications that heating pad is not necessary in my case, and simply sending energy to the breasts will achieve similar results. i have, in fact, noticed that if i send energy deliberately and intently, the next day i usually have more plumpness. i am hoping to see at least occasional C-cuppage before December this year.
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Unread postNov 01, 2007#80

will possibly add arginine

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:58 AM

after all, i've decided to also add l-arginine at 2x500 mg/day
other indications:
need 10 minutes of massage per day
need 5 minutes of energy channeling per day
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Unread postNov 02, 2007#82

this is a repost of (veg) boobie foods from fengshui's page:

*seaweed, agar agar.
*wild yam
*avocado
*green papaya
*soy product, soy bean milk, yogurt, milk is also good
*peanuts, walnuts.....we need some fat to make boobs grow.
*sesame
*potato, carrots, corns, eggplant, broccoli
*lettece and asparagus---most recommended by those girls for vegi
*apples, banana, papaya, cherry, peach, olive.
*pomegranate (best eat the seeds, too)
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Unread postNov 09, 2007#83

nothing positive to report really...
ringworm is back... derm says it's eczema but i think he doesn't know what he's talking about.
strong indications of "damp heat", with symptoms of various skin ****e, IBS, hemorrhoids, moods such as anxiety, fatigue, irritability; coated tongue etc. will try to minimize alcohol. a number of "staple" foods should be minimized as well, specifically tofu, oils, nuts. wondering if some of the symptoms are due to bf's appt being prone to mold.
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Unread postNov 11, 2007#84

well this last week has been rather disappointing with an unprecedented shrinkage down to 33" a few days ago... my ovulation is due on monday-ish, so this is, for me, the smallest week of the cycle, but they haven't been this small for at least a few months. trying to figure out what went wrong...
suspects:
- mold allergy aggravated by the weather
- a new qigong exercise i picked up for a specific health issue being somehow incompatible with the rest of the qigong i do
- any aromatherapy oil i've been using lately...
- addition of l-arginine?
i've also been having various skin issues, and have been moody/irritable which makes me think the mold is the culprit... we're getting a dehumidifier to help control the mold growth in the bathroom so i'm hoping this will help things..
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Unread postNov 13, 2007#85

somewhat of a recuperation after a six-hour qigong workshop... still small, but not in quite as sorry a state as a few days ago. seems it really helps to be very diligent about doing qigong, and concentrating energy on the breasts, daily.
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Unread postNov 14, 2007#86

the following that i've been using seem not so good for me:

l-arginine
rose geranium oil
thuja oil

not sure why i decided to add these without testing thoroughly..
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Unread postNov 18, 2007#87

really trying to cut down on the drinking + smoking. well, i haven't had a drink since wednesday night or smoke since thursday morn. so it's been a good couple of days, haha.
tcm dr says smoking is bad, anything consumed by mouth is better. heh.
says meat is bad for me (good thing i don't eat it anyway), and that i should make sure to eat enough veg. gave me exercises for hemorrhoids (which causes my chi to leak) and digestion; should be able to improve all recent health issues by doing those. says i got "droopy chi", so i figure the exercises should improve the boob situation as well, as more chi will be going up to them, rather than drooping down, or worse yet leaking out. too bad i can't ask him directly, so which qigong exercises and/or foods are good _for me_ for boob growth?
little hope for significant improvement boobwise this cycle, as i stopped taking l-arginine only today (it was already in my pre-made packages and i wasn't going to try to sort through them to find which pill it was), and the unhelpful oils are already mixed into this batch of all my various lotions and ointments. will see how december goes, if nothing good happens will probly take a cycle-long break january-ish.
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Unread postNov 20, 2007#88

surprisingly positive developments over the last few days. definitely more plumpness, been filling the 32Bs quite well, and actually seem trimmed down in the stomach and thighs. heavy/tingling/etc feeling in the breasts. true my period is due in about a week, but there seems to be more at play here than just that!

- been doing an impressive job of not smoking... had two shots of whiskey on sunday, very reasonable.
- been doing qigong religiously, daily, esp the exercises meant to raise my "droopy" chi. been also trying to make sure to send energy to the breasts daily.
- we did take steps to reduce humidity at the time of the previous update... hopefully this will continue to improve both our symptoms
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Unread postNov 22, 2007#89

remixed my lotion, now kept in a glass bottle, to include, fenugreek, fennel, hops, ginger extracts, a bit of tea tree and a little lavender oil, in an almond oil base.

ate cookies every day saturday through tuesday, then decided it wasn't a good idea

still not smoking - we'll see how long this lasts

been noticing that i def have less cellulite now (looking at my thighs almost thought i lost some weight but it's still the same at around 128). either the skin brushing is kicking in, or all the qigong i do.

still battling the skin infections - incredibly persistent... wondering if it'd help if i stopped drinking alcohol, like, altogether. might not be very realistic.
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Unread postNov 26, 2007#90

last day of this cycle (or thereabouts), def plumpness over the last several days, almost overfilling the test b-cup bra. we'll see how much of this is still around in 2 weeks...
drank (moderately) and smoked (less moderately) over the 4-day weekend.
been consistent about qigong and sending energy to the breasts (given that it's much easier to do later in the cycle). seems that if i spend 10 minutes each day concentratedly sending energy i should be able to maintain a lot of the fullness even during/after the period. will try to be very persistent about it, this time around.

Eve M · 25-01-2022, 01:59 AM

thought i'd also mention that i've been drinking soy milk pretty much daily; often with added hemp or brown rice protein. not sure if that's contributed to anything.
hemorrhoids issue much, much better in just a few days of doing the exercises properly... which, beside the hemorrhoids, really seem to tighten the lower abdomen and tuck in the tailbone for better posture (which, all in all, i am assuming, is allowing more chi to flow upwards where i want it)
haven't gone swimming in a week; spending more time on the qigong instead
still no sign of the period; i don't think i'm pregnant... although a very remote possibility of that does exist.
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Unread postNov 29, 2007#92

period a-cometh, most cramp- and bload-free i've had in a while.
crossed fingers for boob retention
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Unread postDec 05, 2007#93

shrunk a bit again, in 32A but still tight. haven't been getting much sleep lately; dunno if that's what contributed to shrinkage.
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Unread postDec 10, 2007#94

note to self:
crying for several hours straight, with or (especially) without legitimate reason, is bad for breast size.
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Unread postDec 10, 2007#95

have had some regain over the last couple of days, although i drank for 3 or 4 days straight and smoked on sunday for the first time in two weeks.
people have been telling me i smell like curry, which is i guess good because a consistent smell appeared only fairly recently and i guess that means the fenugreek is finally getting digested, absorbed, and circulated properly. though i'd prefer if people couldn't smell it on me.
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Unread postDec 18, 2007#96

a couple more people over the few days have commented on the indian or curry smell, not sure what to do about that. boob-wise, things looking pretty good this morn. haven't been smoking since the one time previous weekend, but did drink a little on friday, more on saturday, and got outright drunk on sunday. i mean it almost seems as if drinking might be good for boobs.
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Unread postDec 18, 2007#97

also:
planning a cycle-long break sometime in feb. will probably take time off all herbs.
leave multivit + calcium
leave 5-htp
massages with almond oil only
channeling
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Unread postDec 31, 2007#98

things were going well up until the holidays, but gradual losses have been suffered since then. i smoked (though very little) on two of the days last long weekend, have been drinking fairly frequently (mostly wine; i think it's better to stick to hard liquor), slacking off on qigong and energy work, and sleeping very very irregularly. all of these definitely contributed to the recent shrinkage. muscle testing suggests that drinking wine and irregular sleep have had a major role. my period started saturday morning; honestly speaking i'm almost looking forward to the restoration of the regular routine, but there's still the NY's arrival to celebrate.
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Unread postJan 07, 2008#99

been sick for a few days; lost more tits than i realized there were. quite sad, really.
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Unread postJan 11, 2008#100

finally back to 32B after the sickness

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