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Okay, so this is more of me posing a question than creating a guide, but I'm hoping someone would comment and enlighten/help me and others understand the importance and benefits of cycling herbs, how cycling works synergistically with your body/hormones, what herbs should you commit to cycling, what does a well balanced cycling plan look like and how many periods of cycling should you do, is cycling herbs even that big of a deal, and how and why cycling herbs can be helpful to produce better results with NBE. 

To me, cycling seems to require a lot more forethought and effort, and I know that I personally can't commit to cycling herbs without knowing the why of it. I'm still not sure if it's something I will end up doing, but I am highly curious, and I want to give my breasts the bet shot at growing, and if this helps then sign me up already! I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot and do it wrong, so having a fundamental knowledge of this is a must for me. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could please walk me through this in the simplest of terms. Lotus or anybody who has a deep understanding of this?

Of course, I've tried researching all of this for myself, but I've ran into a lot of confusing explanations and conflicting information. Or worse, I've read articles telling you how to cycle but not why which isn't very helpful to me gaining an understanding of this system. I've also seen that some cycling plans are as simple as a certain set of herbs for follicular phase and a different blend of herbs for luteal phase. But then too, I've seen some that are more involved and require a different blend of herbs for the beginning of your menstruation, the end of your menstruation, the rest of follicular phase, ovulation is the only period where you take nothing, luteal phase, during luteal swelling, and also a set of herbs to be taken consistently throughout each phase. Do you guys understand why I'm so confused?? lol

So please help me to understand this and thanks so much in advance! And if someone wants to start a thread on a Beginner's guide to cycling herbs, then by all means please do so! 

Xoxo

[EllaC]

Are you thinkING of cycling Greenbush?

[EllaC]

My understanding is cycling related to puaeria mirufica is take that first half then progesterone second half. Upon a quick read it's amplifying the hormones that are already high in those phases estrogen first half progesterone second. I don't GET IT tbh... why do you amplify a hormones that's already high... someone else can clarify..
Either way I'm convinced it's not the healthiest thing to do....

With Greenbush my correspondence with them was always their program leans towards balance but it's obvious they aren't hormone specialists by any stretch. However I rate their herbs and their honesty of calling a spade a spade and offering all round good breast health advice. 

How we will respond is a whole other story. All our hormonal profiles are different hence why we are here

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Thanks for responding, Ella! I don't think I will cycle Greenbush at all. I plan on taking a consistent dosage. But it's just that cycling herbs is one of those mysteries to me that had me really curious, and it's something I want to at least understand. I don't want to miss out on some info that may be important to the whole growth factor with NBE, so if I understood the why and how of it, then it would be something I could consider. But since I don't, right now it's more of me just wanting to satiate my curiosity. Also, I've been talking to several ladies on here that are curious and confused about the whole cycling thing, so I thought it might not just help me to understand it, but also anyone else that might be wondering what the whole big deal with it is about.

[EllaC]

Thanks for responding, Ella! I don't think I will cycle Greenbush at all. I plan on taking a consistent dosage. But it's just that cycling herbs is one of those mysteries to me that had me really curious, and it's something I want to at least understand. I don't want to miss out on some info that may be important to the whole growth factor with NBE, so if I understood the why and how of it, then it would be something I could consider. But since I don't, right now it's more of me just wanting to satiate my curiosity. Also, I've been talking to several ladies on here that are curious and confused about the whole cycling thing, so I thought it might not just help me to understand it, but also anyone else that might be wondering what the whole big deal with it is about.

I dont think youre missing much! Alot of people over the years here were cycling herbs, hardly any reported huge success then disapered off the forums. Most of them were cycling PM too and if you go through the PM files you'l see alot of girls reporting period problems.

The only cycling i could find online was "seed cycling for hormone balance".

I considered that even Greenbush might be a temporary effect only WHILE on the programme. Its a shame they havent updated their testimonials for a long while. I guess we shall see wont we

I too would like to see any sort of actual  "science" on cycling herbs for breast enlargement, aside from taking risks on high hormone promoting supps.

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I dont think youre missing much! Alot of people over the years here were cycling herbs, hardly any reported huge success then disapered off the forums. Most of them were cycling PM too and if you go through the PM files you'l see alot of girls reporting period problems.

The only cycling i could find online was "seed cycling for hormone balance".

I considered that even Greenbush might be a temporary effect only WHILE on the programme. Its a shame they havent updated their testimonials for a long while. I guess we shall see wont we

I too would like to see any sort of actual  "science" on cycling herbs for breast enlargement, aside from taking risks on high hormone promoting supps.

You know what, I think you're right! That's the same thing me and Arwen was talking about the other day, that there aren't many phenomenal success stories when it comes to cycling herbs. The only ones we could think of was Chiyomilk, Lady-D, and RocketMelon, and those three all took a huge and extensive list of herbs with complicated cycling procedures. I think I'm finally ready to put this to bed and just focus on being consistent and diligent with my own dosage. 

I'm totally anticipating Greenbush to have some type of wacky effect initially, and that's something me and Bettie have talked a lot about. I think when it comes down to it, to a certain extent you have to throw your hormones out of whack for it to trigger breast growth again and what that means is that of course your body is going to have some type of reaction to it before it can adjust. So, I expect to have certain side effects, but as long as they aren't too terrible and doesn't cause my body any harm then I plan on toughing it out. It kind of makes me think about when you first hit puberty and your body was just a little wonky like it was betraying you. Like I expect those type of symptoms, but anything worse, I'm not going to put myself through. I want to be cautious, but I am hopeful too!

[EllaC]

Bang on! 
Sometimes I wonder if chiyomilk us just a big 'have" too. Have never seen nor heard of her again.. 
Rocket melon ggot outstanding results too but man she took alot of stuff.  Gorgeous girl though.  

Yes let's see what GB has in store for us

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I THINK I'VE FOUND THE ANSWER!

So I was talking to Bettie and she mentioned something that got my wheels turning and after further research, I think I've finally figured this whole reasoning behind cycling herbs, or at least enough to where it's not so much as a mystery anymore. The analogy she gave me was the Birth Control Pill. If you ever been on it, you know that there is a short period of where you take placebo pills or essentially sugar pills with no hormones in it. When she mentioned this, it was almost as if instantly someone turned on a light switch and brought me out of the dark on this topic. 

From my understanding, because BCP introduces such a high and concentrated amount of hormones into your system, if you don't take that short break from taking the active hormone pills (by taking the placebo pills) then you either won't have your period or will experience irregular shortened periods or spotting. This is because your body goes through natural phases where three key hormones fall and rise in a predictable and specific pattern. During menstruation, typically estrogen is at it's lowest, as well as progesterone. (Testosterone is also low during this time, but it tends to remain low and only rise marginally during the latter of week 2 during a 28 day cycle). When I was younger and on BCP, I remember reading how some girls who didn't want to have their periods would skip the placebo and go straight on to the next pack of active pills. I even think my own doctor encouraged me to do this at one point because I suffer from dysmenorrhea (read: excruciating and debilitating periods which I have learned through experience how to naturally control to an extent) and she thought it would be a good solution for it, but I never did because I didn't know if that was entirely safe (even though my doc at the time did say that it was perfectly safe as long as every three months I give myself a break and allow my period to come). 

But yeah, so the basic point is that with strong herbs like PM or even with high dosage of certain herbs, if you didn't cycle there's a good chance that it will delay or halt your period completely. And according to some doctors, this doesn't pose a big health risk (from what I have researched), but most women want to remain some sort of regularity with their menstrual cycle and others want to not have to worry about being pregnant. So I guess that is where the whole idea of cycling herbs must have erupted from, but then it must have whirled out of control from there. But plain and simple, the reason for cycling stronger herbs is to avoid messing up your menstrual cycles while also prolonging the positive effect of estrogenic herbs by switching to and rotating weaker phytoestrogens.

So more to the point: cycling can be beneficial if necessary, though it's not always necessary (depends on what you're taking and how much of it you're taking, and also how your individual body responds to herbs because everyone is different!). If you notice a disruption in you menstrual cycle while taking herbs or supplements, it might be a good sign that either your body needs time to adjust or you might want to cycle to be on the safe side (it comes down to a personal choice). But it doesn't have to be a confusing and complicated process, although I did find that others have adopted more complicated cycling plans that involve many different confusing and unexplained steps. However, I won't delve into the more complicated plans on this thread because I'm not sure how effective or even necessary those complex plans are. 

But here is an example of a simpler version/beginner's guide to cycling herbs: Start taking PM pills (or other strong herbal blends) on either the first day of your menstrual cycle or the first Sunday after your menstrual cycle begins and take it for 3 weeks straight and then give yourself a 1 week break before starting again. See, kind of like BCP if you think about it. During that break week, you can either take nothing or you could take lower dosages or a different blend of weaker herbs or supplements that won't interfere with your menstrual cycle. You could also take certain supplements for the entire duration of the month right along with PM and also during your week break (like collagen or something like that for example that will not pose any interference with your period).

Another method that is a tad bit more involved but still a relatively simple version is monitoring your follicular and luteal phases (there are various ways to do this, but just look online to know how). During the follicular phase is when you want to take the strong herbs like PM, and during the luteal phase you either want to take lower dosages or switch to a less powerful blend of herbs/phytoestrogens. Once again, you can also take various other supplements and herbs for the duration of your 28 day cycle, as long as they don't pose the risk of interfering with your period (you'll have to do a bit of research to figure out which ones will, and which ones won't and also at what dosages). 

So this all seems more about allowing your body to have a natural menstrual cycle by mimicking the natural fall and rise of your hormones while creating a type of pattern and harmony your body can work synergistically with. So, there you have it. This is what I've uncovered so far, and I'm glad that I finally understand cycling herbs a bit more. I might not have everything right, so please correct me if I've gotten anything wrong, and also let me know if this helps to clear things up a bit. 

Xoxo


If you're interested in reading more about how hormones fall and rise during your cycle, here is a good link: http://hormonehoroscope.com/the-female-hormone-cycle/

[wagon train]

Thank you for always posting your findings so eloquently! I am going to be combining Lady-D's botanical program cyclying suggestions with my greenbrush regimen, because I took greenbrush non stop and I had a 37 day cycle which was insane compared to my previously 16 day cycles. Again as we've discussed it's probably my body leveling out from other things but I think you're point makes a lot of sense in my situation! 

And just as an update for the greenbrush, when I finally started bleeding I noticed I lost a bit of fullness in my breast but it is still so much heavier than it was a month ago when I started herbs. And this was even only taking greenbrush for two weeks and taking a 5 day break within them!

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Thank you for always posting your findings so eloquently! I am going to be combining Lady-D's botanical program cyclying suggestions with my greenbrush regimen, because I took greenbrush non stop and I had a 37 day cycle which was insane compared to my previously 16 day cycles. Again as we've discussed it's probably my body leveling out from other things but I think you're point makes a lot of sense in my situation! 

And just as an update for the greenbrush, when I finally started bleeding I noticed I lost a bit of fullness in my breast but it is still so much heavier than it was a month ago when I started herbs. And this was even only taking greenbrush for two weeks and taking a 5 day break within them!

I'm so glad my explanation helped, Arwen and thank you so much for commenting and talking about this with me! I also edited my comment to include more info as well as a link, in case you wanted to see that. But see, this is why I think it's better to know not just how to do something, but also why to do it, because it actually might turn out to be beneficial for you in your case! I think it's also good for everyone to know, because for me personally, if I have this problem of a delay in my cycle I want to know how to fix it, and this could be key for many others as well. 

I'm not so sure if I will cycle Greenbush just yet, but because of your experience with it, I think I might (I should be recieving it in the mail tomorrow!!) I think what I will end up doing is take lower dosages for my luteal phase. I first will have to see how it works out, but yeah, I'm so happy I finally figured this mystery out! lol

Oh and do keep us posted on your page because I want to follow your journey! Also, could you post an update of how you plan on using Lady-D's program to cycle with Greenbrush! I'm so happy for all your success with it, and I can't wait to join you on this!!

Xoxo