[surferjoe2007]

Hi MissEllen! 

So I just wanted to update you and everyone on your thread about my results from doing your method for 3 weeks (on the 16th it would have been 3 weeks and I just stopped today).

Ultimately, and unfortunately, this did not work out for me at all. I didn't experience any breast tenderness or feelings of growth while doing it, and I did not miss one day. In fact, I actually experienced a loss of bust size for a couple of days, (but I think that was to do more with how I was noogling, but now that I've been noogling properly I've gained it back). But that goes to show that this did not have a good overall effect, and in no way did it increase my breast size. Actually, I experience a few adverse effects, and after doing some research of my own i decided that it will probably be best if I continue to do what I was doing prior to achieve my breast growth while also using my noogleberry.

I have my suspicisions of why this might not have worked out for me, and I talk about this more on my thread, but I just wanted to give an overall summary for anyone who is curious. I really was optimistic throughout this, and I was hoping to see great results, and even though I didn't I don't want to discourage anyone who is trying this out now or who is wanting to do it in the future, because it very well may give you the amazing results that MissEllen has achieved!

<3 ChrisTri

It's also important to note that Ellen started out on Mirena, a progestin.  There are several stories about rapid growth from a progestin/progesterone followed by a phytoestrogen.  Not only do the two complement each other well, progestin alone could have made her shrink making the rebound from shrinkage + additional growth that much more dramatic.

Second IIRC Ellen is on a mostly vegan diet with lots of whole grains, except for fish now and then.  There are likewise several stories of women who grew a lot from a HCLF (high carb low fat) vegan diet.  You don't want to get too much vegetable fat but the ALAs in flax and the EPA/DHA/DPA in fish provide the important essential fatty acids and counterbalance other vegetable fat.

So it's not just the phytoestrogens, but also diet and progestin/progesterone.  IMO try a HCLF vegan diet including whole grains, or better yet HCLF vegan except with a small amount of seafood (and ALA fats including flax are good acceptable fats too).  Then find something for progesterone.  THEN add the flax and so on.

Hey SurferJoe, Thanks for the comment. I actually mentioned you and your previous comment on my thread because that was a part of why I felt like why this method didn't work for me (I noted she was on progesterone). There were other things too, like I didn't use whole milk, and I changed the amounts. I'm also HCLF vegan for like 4 to 5 years now. 

So I'm not saying this won't work, but I do think it would be hard to duplicate her fast results unless you have the same hormone issues as her and ultimately it's not the method for me.

I just skimmed your thread.  3 weeks is a really short time to grow, and Ellen probably grew that fast because of an extremely good combination of other factors happening at the same time.  Most methods should be given much more time, often 2-4 months.  Though also like you said you didn't match everything ideally:

1.  You've been vegan and that helped, but HCLF is high carb low fat.  In particular the healthiest way is with whole grains and low nuts.  Nuts are mostly healthy but their omega 6s create a fatty acid imbalance unless you counterbalance with with ALAs (e.g., chia or flax) and EPA/DHA/DPA (seafood).  The ideal would be nearly vegan with lots of whole grains (especially brown rice), spinach, parsley/cilantro (they're related), chia or flax seeds, plus a small amount of omega 3 eggs and seafood now and then.  Low nuts limited to sprouted sesame (aka tahini, also found in hummus), pumpkin seeds, almonds and sunflower seeds.  Coconut is neutral; it's harmless at any amount but not too helpful.  Sprouting prevents indigestion; it's not necessary for small amounts like a handful.

2.  Yeah you need a progesterone/progestin too.  Yeah birth control isn't the greatest idea.  Progesterone cream is another option, but still a bit strong and you have to be careful.  400+ mg Vitex is a very mild but weak option you can try.  Just be patient and give it many months.  Yes you should figure out your existing hormonal balance to see if you even need phyto-estrogens at all.

3.  Since you've already gotten to C cup from mostly diet, I think you do have a lot of potential and could grow tremendously from the right herbs.  And yes massage or pumping can help too.  You could look at the herbal options in my sig programs.  Be careful with PM or PC until you figure out if you need progesterone or estrogen to lower testosterone and by how much.  A hormone test is helpful there.  But the other herbal options are usually good.  Be patient especially when experimenting.  Unless you find out exactly which ones you need you're unlikely to jump up a cup size in 3 weeks.  Maybe with a hormone test, a lot of the ideal herbs according to the test, lots of saponins, lots of anti-testosterone and part of the size increase from swelling (not real growth) you could do it in 1-2 weeks.  But even then you might make a mistake.  Better to give it 2 months.